(08-26-2021 08:59 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 08:18 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  What difference does it make where the conference office is? It's not like members regularly go there. Every meeting seems to be at a Florida resort. I don't think the office location defines the conference.

The SEC being in Birmingham doesn't seem to have held them back. Moving the office is a distraction and a waste of money.

Swofford was pushed out by schools not named Duke, UNC, and UVa, As you can tell by the posts here, folks attached to Syracuse, Louisville, and FSU have a very difficult time dealing with or accepting the inbred nature of the "club" of which the City of Greensboro and Jamestown more particular are the epitome on the local level. Just because Swofford is gone, does not mean the old cabal is not still entrenched at office.

By the way, a move to NOVA/DC might be appealing to future potential ACC schools who are now run by folks in Chicago, Ann Arbor, Madison, and Minneapolis. Just sayin'.

Apparently, so does the new commissioner.

South Bend Indiana would be ideal.

(08-26-2021 08:18 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  What difference does it make where the conference office is? It's not like members regularly go there. Every meeting seems to be at a Florida resort. I don't think the office location defines the conference.

The SEC being in Birmingham doesn't seem to have held them back. Moving the office is a distraction and a waste of money.

Birmingham is a Southwest air hub.

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(08-26-2021 08:40 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Plausible ACC HQ Sites:

Raleigh CMSA
46.9% with at least a BA
20% with post grad
2.1 M
12.6% Foreign Born
NC State, UNC, Duke in metro
Med Schools – 2
Other Universities – NC Central, Meredith
Pro Teams – Carolina Hurricanes
ACC schools in 3 hour drive – NCSU, UVA, VT, Duke, WF, UNC
3.5 seasons – very mild winter

Charlotte CMSA
36.2 % with at least a BA
2.6 M
12% with post grad
11% Foreign Born
No P-5 in Metro
Med School 0 (WF building one)
Other Universities – UNC Charlotte
Pro Teams – Carolina Panthers, Charlotte Hornets
ACC schools in 3 hour drive time CU, UNC, WF, Duke, NCSU, VT
3. 5 seasons – very mild winter

Greensboro CMSA
27.8% with at least a BA
1.6 M
10% with post grad
8 % Foreign Born
WF in metro
Med Schools – 0
Other Universities – UNC-G, Winston Salem State, NC A&T, Guilford College, Greensboro College
Pro Teams – 0
ACC schools in 3 hour drive time – NCSU, UNC, Duke, WF, VT, UVa
3.5 Seasons – mild winter

Atlanta CMSA
40% with at least a BA
6 M
15% with post grad
11% Foreign Born
GT and UGa in metro
Med Schools – 2
Other Universities, Emory, Spellman, Morehouse
Pro Teams – Atlanta Falcons, Atlanta Braves, Atlanta Hawks
ACC schools in 3 hour drive time – GT, Clemson
3 seasons – winter? sometimes

DC/NOVA CMSA
51.4% with at least a BA
25% post grad
6.2 M
23% Foreign Born
MD in metro
Med Schools – 4
Other Universities Georgetown, GW, American, George Mason
Pro Teams – Washington Redskins, Washington Nationals, Washington Wizards, Washington Capitals
ACC schools in 3 hour drive time - Va
True 4 seasons – variable winter


I listed variables that might matter when it comes to the place of college sports in the region and the region's people. Atlanta is a Pro and SEC town. I would rather take an ass whipp'n that drive to Atlanta for any reason. DC is somewhat better but not past the mixing bowl in Arlington. Greensboro is a former mill town, so is Charlotte and so is Durham (part of Raleigh CMSA). Now if you are talking about Dulles and that part of NOVA, what is actually on side of the Potomac that is not in Raleigh other than the Pentagon, Arlington Cemetery, and CIA HQ?

I get that Phillips is missing Chicago and Greensboro is dull by most any standard. If you are moving to get the ACC away from Duke and UNC control, you will not get that in Charlotte. You have a better chance in Raleigh and perhaps the best chance in DC/NOVA. I don't think we gain by moving to a pro town with pro town media. Consider that the best source of ACC news is found in Richmond via Dave Teel who used to be in Roanoke.

In 30 years the Raleigh CMSA will be the dominate region between Atlanta and DC, something to consider.

You failed to include Wake Forest's med school in the Greensboro CMSA.

(08-26-2021 08:40 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I get that Phillips is missing Chicago and Greensboro is dull by most any standard.

He must miss the sound of gunfire in the distance and long for the wailing of the ambulance.

(08-27-2021 04:37 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 08:40 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I get that Phillips is missing Chicago and Greensboro is dull by most any standard.

He must miss the sound of gunfire in the distance and long for the wailing of the ambulance.

Based in his performance during the Alliance press conference, the ACC would be better off if he decided to relocate to Chicago and find a new career.

(08-26-2021 10:53 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  South Bend Indiana would be ideal.

If that was the condition for full football membership, I'm sure it could be arranged.

(08-26-2021 05:12 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 04:44 PM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...d3995.html

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Great Find Terp. From the article:

“He knows it’s unsettling for the staff,” said North Carolina athletic director Bubba Cunningham, the 2021-22 chairman of the league’s ADs. “He’s been very complimentary of, and open with, the staff. But I think the reality of 15 schools, many of them from the Big East, they don’t quite understand or appreciate the history of the league, the founding of it in Greensboro, and so, he owes it to them to explore. Now, I’m very biased in what I hope the outcome is, [staying in Greensboro], but I think it’s a fair thing to do for the membership.”




If the league offices end up leaving NC, Phillips will become the most hated man in NC, lol.

true.

of course NC loved Swofford (HOW did the ACC name a football award after Swofford....the irony....and around the same time Bowden died. Insane) and he made every wrong decision a commish can make.....so maybe this is a good thing.

(08-26-2021 05:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  If Phillips tries to move the ACC headquarters especially after his milquetoast performance during the "alliance" press conference, he won't have his current position much longer, or he won't have the full compliment of current ACC membership to work with.

Perfect....then moving it is the right move.

(08-27-2021 06:26 AM)nole Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 05:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  If Phillips tries to move the ACC headquarters especially after his milquetoast performance during the "alliance" press conference, he won't have his current position much longer, or he won't have the full compliment of current ACC membership to work with.

Perfect....then moving it is the right move.

Would the loss of two teams not really committed to football be all that bad?
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2013/...r-acc.html

(08-27-2021 05:53 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 10:53 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  South Bend Indiana would be ideal.

If that was the condition for full football membership, I'm sure it could be arranged.

They aren't worth it.

(08-26-2021 08:40 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Plausible ACC HQ Sites:

Raleigh CMSA
46.9% with at least a BA
20% with post grad
2.1 M
12.6% Foreign Born
NC State, UNC, Duke in metro
Med Schools – 2
Other Universities – NC Central, Meredith
Pro Teams – Carolina Hurricanes
ACC schools in 3 hour drive – NCSU, UVA, VT, Duke, WF, UNC
3.5 seasons – very mild winter

Charlotte CMSA
36.2 % with at least a BA
2.6 M
12% with post grad
11% Foreign Born
No P-5 in Metro
Med School 0 (WF building one)
Other Universities – UNC Charlotte
Pro Teams – Carolina Panthers, Charlotte Hornets
ACC schools in 3 hour drive time CU, UNC, WF, Duke, NCSU, VT
3. 5 seasons – very mild winter

Greensboro CMSA
27.8% with at least a BA
1.6 M
10% with post grad
8 % Foreign Born
WF in metro
Med Schools – 0
Other Universities – UNC-G, Winston Salem State, NC A&T, Guilford College, Greensboro College
Pro Teams – 0
ACC schools in 3 hour drive time – NCSU, UNC, Duke, WF, VT, UVa
3.5 Seasons – mild winter

Atlanta CMSA
40% with at least a BA
6 M
15% with post grad
11% Foreign Born
GT and UGa in metro
Med Schools – 2
Other Universities, Emory, Spellman, Morehouse
Pro Teams – Atlanta Falcons, Atlanta Braves, Atlanta Hawks
ACC schools in 3 hour drive time – GT, Clemson
3 seasons – winter? sometimes

DC/NOVA CMSA
51.4% with at least a BA
25% post grad
6.2 M
23% Foreign Born
MD in metro
Med Schools – 4
Other Universities Georgetown, GW, American, George Mason
Pro Teams – Washington Redskins, Washington Nationals, Washington Wizards, Washington Capitals
ACC schools in 3 hour drive time - Va
True 4 seasons – variable winter


I listed variables that might matter when it comes to the place of college sports in the region and the region's people. Atlanta is a Pro and SEC town. I would rather take an ass whipp'n that drive to Atlanta for any reason. DC is somewhat better but not past the mixing bowl in Arlington. Greensboro is a former mill town, so is Charlotte and so is Durham (part of Raleigh CMSA). Now if you are talking about Dulles and that part of NOVA, what is actually on side of the Potomac that is not in Raleigh other than the Pentagon, Arlington Cemetery, and CIA HQ?

I get that Phillips is missing Chicago and Greensboro is dull by most any standard. If you are moving to get the ACC away from Duke and UNC control, you will not get that in Charlotte. You have a better chance in Raleigh and perhaps the best chance in DC/NOVA. I don't think we gain by moving to a pro town with pro town media. Consider that the best source of ACC news is found in Richmond via Dave Teel who used to be in Roanoke.

In 30 years the Raleigh CMSA will be the dominate region between Atlanta and DC, something to consider.

If moved from Greensboro....I like Raleigh or Charlotte! Thinking of the new Alliance and future schedules...Charlotte might be it... for annual KO game and Neutral sight MBB/LBB games. Those who have the pleasure of living in the Queen City already know that Charlotte is one of the most beautiful cities in the United States. Time for the ACC to make the move. Annual meetings/retreats can still happen in Greensboro for the ACC ADs.

(08-27-2021 06:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 06:26 AM)nole Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 05:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  If Phillips tries to move the ACC headquarters especially after his milquetoast performance during the "alliance" press conference, he won't have his current position much longer, or he won't have the full compliment of current ACC membership to work with.

Perfect....then moving it is the right move.

Would the loss of two teams not really committed to football be all that bad?
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2013/...r-acc.html

What happens if two Bell Cows of your conference leave? See the Big 12.

LOL at the Raleigh CMSA(never heard of it by the way) being the dominant metro between DC & ATL in the next 30 years but on a serious note if the HQ does move then the Charlotte area does make a lot of sense. They could locate somewhere like Southend or the redeveloped Balantyne corporate park. If you really want to be seen as shaking up the old ways you could move across the state line to Fort Mill, Indian Land or Rock Hill

(08-27-2021 06:50 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 06:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 06:26 AM)nole Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 05:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  If Phillips tries to move the ACC headquarters especially after his milquetoast performance during the "alliance" press conference, he won't have his current position much longer, or he won't have the full compliment of current ACC membership to work with.

Perfect....then moving it is the right move.

Would the loss of two teams not really committed to football be all that bad?
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2013/...r-acc.html

What happens if two Bell Cows of your conference leave? See the Big 12.

Yeah, that would really stink if the ACC lost FSU and Clemson.

(08-27-2021 07:59 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 06:50 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 06:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 06:26 AM)nole Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 05:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  If Phillips tries to move the ACC headquarters especially after his milquetoast performance during the "alliance" press conference, he won't have his current position much longer, or he won't have the full compliment of current ACC membership to work with.

Perfect....then moving it is the right move.

Would the loss of two teams not really committed to football be all that bad?
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2013/...r-acc.html

What happens if two Bell Cows of your conference leave? See the Big 12.

Yeah, that would really stink if the ACC lost FSU and Clemson.

Well, we would miss Clemson.

(08-27-2021 07:59 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 06:50 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 06:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 06:26 AM)nole Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 05:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  If Phillips tries to move the ACC headquarters especially after his milquetoast performance during the "alliance" press conference, he won't have his current position much longer, or he won't have the full compliment of current ACC membership to work with.

Perfect....then moving it is the right move.

Would the loss of two teams not really committed to football be all that bad?
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2013/...r-acc.html

What happens if two Bell Cows of your conference leave? See the Big 12.

Yeah, that would really stink if the ACC lost FSU and Clemson.

I was actually responding to the "threat" of losing UNC/Duke/UVA (or 2 of them). Those schools are "bell cows" in their own minds...

(08-27-2021 08:25 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 07:59 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 06:50 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 06:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 06:26 AM)nole Wrote:  Perfect....then moving it is the right move.

Would the loss of two teams not really committed to football be all that bad?
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2013/...r-acc.html

What happens if two Bell Cows of your conference leave? See the Big 12.

Yeah, that would really stink if the ACC lost FSU and Clemson.

Well, we would miss Clemson.

I'm very encouraged by what we're seeing from Phillips so far. I like the alliance to keep ESPN from creating a power 1 structure. I love the alliance to upgrade OOC schedules, something some teams really needed to be forced to do. I love the idea of abandoning Greensboro, which should help purge the Swofford clown show. And bringing Delaney in as a consultant on revenue generation and branding is a great idea and will pay dividends. Is this all too little, too late? Time will tell, but I like what I see.

(08-27-2021 09:28 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 07:59 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 06:50 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 06:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 06:26 AM)nole Wrote:  Perfect....then moving it is the right move.

Would the loss of two teams not really committed to football be all that bad?
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2013/...r-acc.html

What happens if two Bell Cows of your conference leave? See the Big 12.

Yeah, that would really stink if the ACC lost FSU and Clemson.

I was actually responding to the "threat" of losing UNC/Duke/UVA (or 2 of them). Those schools are "bell cows" in their own minds...

I know. I was being facetious.

(08-26-2021 08:40 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Plausible ACC HQ Sites:

Raleigh CMSA
46.9% with at least a BA
20% with post grad
2.1 M
12.6% Foreign Born
NC State, UNC, Duke in metro
Med Schools – 2
Other Universities – NC Central, Meredith
Pro Teams – Carolina Hurricanes
ACC schools in 3 hour drive – NCSU, UVA, VT, Duke, WF, UNC
3.5 seasons – very mild winter

Charlotte CMSA
36.2 % with at least a BA
2.6 M
12% with post grad
11% Foreign Born
No P-5 in Metro
Med School 0 (WF building one)
Other Universities – UNC Charlotte
Pro Teams – Carolina Panthers, Charlotte Hornets
ACC schools in 3 hour drive time CU, UNC, WF, Duke, NCSU, VT
3. 5 seasons – very mild winter

Greensboro CMSA
27.8% with at least a BA
1.6 M
10% with post grad
8 % Foreign Born
WF in metro
Med Schools – 0
Other Universities – UNC-G, Winston Salem State, NC A&T, Guilford College, Greensboro College
Pro Teams – 0
ACC schools in 3 hour drive time – NCSU, UNC, Duke, WF, VT, UVa
3.5 Seasons – mild winter

Atlanta CMSA
40% with at least a BA
6 M
15% with post grad
11% Foreign Born
GT and UGa in metro
Med Schools – 2
Other Universities, Emory, Spellman, Morehouse
Pro Teams – Atlanta Falcons, Atlanta Braves, Atlanta Hawks
ACC schools in 3 hour drive time – GT, Clemson
3 seasons – winter? sometimes

DC/NOVA CMSA
51.4% with at least a BA
25% post grad
6.2 M
23% Foreign Born
MD in metro
Med Schools – 4
Other Universities Georgetown, GW, American, George Mason
Pro Teams – Washington Redskins, Washington Nationals, Washington Wizards, Washington Capitals
ACC schools in 3 hour drive time - Va
True 4 seasons – variable winter


I listed variables that might matter when it comes to the place of college sports in the region and the region's people. Atlanta is a Pro and SEC town. I would rather take an ass whipp'n that drive to Atlanta for any reason. DC is somewhat better but not past the mixing bowl in Arlington. Greensboro is a former mill town, so is Charlotte and so is Durham (part of Raleigh CMSA). Now if you are talking about Dulles and that part of NOVA, what is actually on side of the Potomac that is not in Raleigh other than the Pentagon, Arlington Cemetery, and CIA HQ?

I get that Phillips is missing Chicago and Greensboro is dull by most any standard. If you are moving to get the ACC away from Duke and UNC control, you will not get that in Charlotte. You have a better chance in Raleigh and perhaps the best chance in DC/NOVA. I don't think we gain by moving to a pro town with pro town media. Consider that the best source of ACC news is found in Richmond via Dave Teel who used to be in Roanoke.

In 30 years the Raleigh CMSA will be the dominate region between Atlanta and DC, something to consider.

This is good information.

In terms of accessibility by member schools, Greensboro, Charlotte and Raleigh are within a driving distance for six schools. (I would say Richmond, VA is also close to six ACC schools but seems like Richmond won’t be considered).

Among Greensboro, Charlotte, and Raleigh, Chalotte makes the most sense in my opinion: easy access by airplane, more people, and the ACC football CCG venue.