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(10-03-2022 02:11 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  To be fair, Democrats weren't the ones who used state funds to hop migrants from a second state to a third state.
True. The Democrats aren't doing much of anything, when it comes to addressing the public's concerns about immigration.

Quote:Hard to argue Dems are trying to change the focus when the DeSantis stunt was so ill-advised that it deserves a clear and thorough rebuke.
In trying to turn this state-level issue into a national referendum on moving immigrants northward, the Democrats are being completely tone-deaf. This is going to backfire on them. Much of the public will be ok with what DeSantis did, just not ok with how he funded it.

Quote:Abbot has done similar things with migrants from Texas and there has not been nearly as much uproar.
Exactly. And much of the "uproar" over what DeSantis did is media-manufactured.
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(10-03-2022 02:11 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  To be fair, Democrats weren't the ones who used state funds to hop migrants from a second state to a third state.
True. The Democrats aren't doing much of anything, when it comes to addressing the public's concerns about immigration.

Quote:Hard to argue Dems are trying to change the focus when the DeSantis stunt was so ill-advised that it deserves a clear and thorough rebuke.
In trying to turn this state-level issue into a national referendum on moving immigrants northward, the Democrats are being completely tone-deaf. This is going to backfire on them. Much of the public will be ok with what DeSantis did, just not ok with how he funded it.

Quote:Abbot has done similar things with migrants from Texas and there has not been nearly as much uproar.
Exactly. And much of the "uproar" over what DeSantis did is media-manufactured.

I don't think it's manufactured. DeSantis jumped the shark and took this a few steps too far.
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(10-03-2022 02:32 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(10-03-2022 02:21 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(10-03-2022 02:11 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  To be fair, Democrats weren't the ones who used state funds to hop migrants from a second state to a third state.
True. The Democrats aren't doing much of anything, when it comes to addressing the public's concerns about immigration.

Quote:Hard to argue Dems are trying to change the focus when the DeSantis stunt was so ill-advised that it deserves a clear and thorough rebuke.
In trying to turn this state-level issue into a national referendum on moving immigrants northward, the Democrats are being completely tone-deaf. This is going to backfire on them. Much of the public will be ok with what DeSantis did, just not ok with how he funded it.

Quote:Abbot has done similar things with migrants from Texas and there has not been nearly as much uproar.
Exactly. And much of the "uproar" over what DeSantis did is media-manufactured.

I don't think it's manufactured. DeSantis jumped the shark and took this a few steps too far.

Replace the word "manufactured" with "overemphasized" or "made a big deal of", and I think it will become clearer.

Bottom line:

1. Democrats started declaring sanctuary cities to make Trump seem mean and petty for denying them entrance.
2. Now they are being asked to put their money where their mouths are.
3. They don't like having to back up their statements with actions.
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(10-03-2022 02:32 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(10-03-2022 02:21 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(10-03-2022 02:11 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  To be fair, Democrats weren't the ones who used state funds to hop migrants from a second state to a third state.
True. The Democrats aren't doing much of anything, when it comes to addressing the public's concerns about immigration.

Quote:Hard to argue Dems are trying to change the focus when the DeSantis stunt was so ill-advised that it deserves a clear and thorough rebuke.
In trying to turn this state-level issue into a national referendum on moving immigrants northward, the Democrats are being completely tone-deaf. This is going to backfire on them. Much of the public will be ok with what DeSantis did, just not ok with how he funded it.

Quote:Abbot has done similar things with migrants from Texas and there has not been nearly as much uproar.
Exactly. And much of the "uproar" over what DeSantis did is media-manufactured.

I don't think it's manufactured. DeSantis jumped the shark and took this a few steps too far.

Replace the word "manufactured" with "overemphasized" or "made a big deal of", and I think it will become clearer.

Bottom line:

1. Democrats started declaring sanctuary cities to make Trump seem mean and petty for denying them entrance.
2. Now they are being asked to put their money where their mouths are.
3. They don't like having to back up their statements with actions.

I think you will find 0 issues with these states supporting these immigrants. I think you'll find issues with the way DeSantis appropriate state funds AND the means and manners with which he did it.

Again, he used Florida funds to fly immigrants in Texas, under false pretenses, to the NE.
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(10-03-2022 03:09 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(10-03-2022 02:42 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-03-2022 02:32 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(10-03-2022 02:21 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(10-03-2022 02:11 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  To be fair, Democrats weren't the ones who used state funds to hop migrants from a second state to a third state.
True. The Democrats aren't doing much of anything, when it comes to addressing the public's concerns about immigration.

Quote:Hard to argue Dems are trying to change the focus when the DeSantis stunt was so ill-advised that it deserves a clear and thorough rebuke.
In trying to turn this state-level issue into a national referendum on moving immigrants northward, the Democrats are being completely tone-deaf. This is going to backfire on them. Much of the public will be ok with what DeSantis did, just not ok with how he funded it.

Quote:Abbot has done similar things with migrants from Texas and there has not been nearly as much uproar.
Exactly. And much of the "uproar" over what DeSantis did is media-manufactured.

I don't think it's manufactured. DeSantis jumped the shark and took this a few steps too far.

Replace the word "manufactured" with "overemphasized" or "made a big deal of", and I think it will become clearer.

Bottom line:

1. Democrats started declaring sanctuary cities to make Trump seem mean and petty for denying them entrance.
2. Now they are being asked to put their money where their mouths are.
3. They don't like having to back up their statements with actions.

I think you will find 0 issues with these states supporting these immigrants. I think you'll find issues with the way DeSantis appropriate state funds AND the means and manners with which he did it.

Again, he used Florida funds to fly immigrants in Texas, under false pretenses, to the NE.

That's a Florida issue.
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I'm going to try and be very clear.

1) The federal rules (and immigration is a federal issue) for asylum seekers are different from the rules for those simply seeking a better opportunity. I there are issues with it, that's on the Feds. Further, if these 'asylum seekers' didn't qualify for 'asylum seeker benefits' then they likely weren't really asylum seekers... but if that is what they are being called, then it isn't unreasonable to give them that information. The local officials aren't in a position to verify their elegibility. And of course, the governor of ANY state wouldn't be in a position to GUARANTEE any federal benefits. So quite literally the complaint here is that a state governor gave people claiming to be (or described by their advocates) asylum seekers information on seeking asylym benefits. All the rest of this is partisan BS

2) While I understand that someone 'against' this sort of action would have an issue with what DeSantis did, I can also see how doing something like this furthers the goals of Florida by drawing attention to the problem. I mean, it certainly WORKED. There is more talk about what DeSantis did than any other action by him or anyone else. I mean seriously, the goal here isn't these few immigrants... the goal here (from the right) is clearly to solve the issue.

3) That said, I don't know why DeSantis did this with Texas illegals... why he didn't ask or let Abbott do it... or why he didn't do it with what must be many Florida illegal aliens... though I suspect they don't have (m)any who cross the FLorida border... and THAT may have been political... as in promoting DeSantis over Abbott or having DeSantis make a point about the border without impugning the many Cuban Immigrants in his state, many of which DID qualify for asylum... SO yeah, I can see how the issue of illegal immigrants is so important to the state of Florida that it would be willing to fund a plane to send people in Texas to a 'sanctuary city'.

4) Those on the side of 'this is a bad idea' (sending them to sanctuary cities) is a CLEAR minority position, even among Democrats. It's not wrong to have that opinion, but the point is that its not what the majority believes... which is only exacerbated when you remove those who wouldn't possibly vote for him.

So this is really just those in the clear minority trying to convince those in the clear majority to make a big deal out of something that they've already said isn't nearly as big a deal to them as the issue being addressed.

It is the opinion of those... most of whom wouldn't vote for Desantis... that this is a big deal... that there is no legitimate reason for this action other than 'self-promotion'. In their opinion, no purpose for the citizens of Florida was served.

I don't know specifically what the purpose was, but he didn't need to 'cross borders' to find illegal aliens to send to Martha's Vineyard. My strong suspicion is that just as Cuban immigrant don't like to be compared to Central and South American immigrants (they are not remotely a monolith)... they don't want to be lumped in to these 'asylum' claims... or have funds set aside to help actual refugees be diverted to help those who are not refugees.

I mean seriously... If someone doesn't think that there is a Republican supporter in Florida who would be MORE than happy to donate the use of his large private plane (or just write a check) to send illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyardand not cost the state of Florida a single dime... they're crazy. I don't know why DeSantis chose to use state funds, but it seems obvious (especially in that it wasn't remotely hidden) that he believed he was serving a state purpose... and 'getting attention' seems obvious, especially given what has happened.

If someone chooses to believe that he's just an ignorant moron with an incompetent staff who wouldn't think to simply get one of his supporters to write a relatively small check... I suppose that's their right.
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(10-03-2022 03:31 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  If someone chooses to believe that he's just an ignorant moron with an incompetent staff

Don't change the subject to Biden
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(10-03-2022 12:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  And El Paso, a democrat-led city (Hello, Beto) is sending their own busses.

Not to mention Biden flying them to various places in the middle of the night.
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(10-03-2022 03:31 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I don't know specifically what the purpose was, but he didn't need to 'cross borders' to find illegal aliens to send to Martha's Vineyard. My strong suspicion is that just as Cuban immigrant don't like to be compared to Central and South American immigrants (they are not remotely a monolith)... they don't want to be lumped in to these 'asylum' claims... or have funds set aside to help actual refugees be diverted to help those who are not refugees.

If he had reliable information that a large group in Texas were headed to Florida, this could be justified as a pre-emptive action.
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(Yesterday 10:06 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Democrats cry NIMBY

From another article that explains this a bit more...

Quote:“I think we can find a better solution here,” Ocasio-Cortez said when asked about the tent complexes being built in the Bronx’s Orchard Beach parking lot to house more than 1,000 Latino migrants.

Ocasio-Cortez said she was also “very” on the side of the “feelings” of Bronx Borough President Vanessa Gibson, who earlier this week raised a number of concerns about the Orchard Beach location, including poor transport links and vulnerability for floods.

Ocasio-Cortez, who has not yet commented on the tent facility in her 14th congressional district, said she is in talks with other lawmakers to “see if there are additional federal funds” that could help the city house migrants .

“So that people can get into a better situation,” she said.

Adams spokesman Fabien Levy defended the tent plans when asked for a response to Ocasio-Cortez’s comments.

“No location is perfect, but we are confident in this decision,” he said. “And we are pleased that so many local elected officials recognize that we are in an emergency and are willing to work with us towards a successful rollout.”

The Adams administration is using the tent camp to ease pressure on the city’s housing system, which has been overwhelmed by an influx of more than 10,000 migrants who have traveled from Mexico to the United States in hopes of asylum.

Workers set up the first New York City Humanitarian Emergency Response and Relief Center in an Orchard Beach parking lot on Tuesday, September 27, 2022 in the Bronx, New York. (Barry Williams/for New York Daily News)

Advocates for the homeless have raised concerns about whether the tents will comply with local housing rights law, which requires the city to provide shelter to anyone who needs it, as well as certain basic amenities such as lockers, mail and laundry access.

But Zach Iscol, Adams’ emergency management officer, testified before the council on Friday that Orchard Beach Camp does not have to comply with housing rights rules because the migrant wave is a “humanitarian crisis” outside the framework of decades – old law.

In her interview with The News, Ocasio-Cortez contradicted Iscol’s reasoning.

“It’s important that we abide by the spirit and not just the letter of the law,” she said. “All people, no matter who they are, deserve dignified, humane protection and of course we, along with so many others, will pay very close attention to this situation.”

https://localtoday.news/ny/aoc-tears-up-...39561.html
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(Yesterday 11:54 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:06 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Democrats cry NIMBY

From another article that explains this a bit more...

Quote:“I think we can find a better solution here,” Ocasio-Cortez said when asked about the tent complexes being built in the Bronx’s Orchard Beach parking lot to house more than 1,000 Latino migrants.

Ocasio-Cortez said she was also “very” on the side of the “feelings” of Bronx Borough President Vanessa Gibson, who earlier this week raised a number of concerns about the Orchard Beach location, including poor transport links and vulnerability for floods.

Ocasio-Cortez, who has not yet commented on the tent facility in her 14th congressional district, said she is in talks with other lawmakers to “see if there are additional federal funds” that could help the city house migrants .

“So that people can get into a better situation,” she said.

Adams spokesman Fabien Levy defended the tent plans when asked for a response to Ocasio-Cortez’s comments.

“No location is perfect, but we are confident in this decision,” he said. “And we are pleased that so many local elected officials recognize that we are in an emergency and are willing to work with us towards a successful rollout.”

The Adams administration is using the tent camp to ease pressure on the city’s housing system, which has been overwhelmed by an influx of more than 10,000 migrants who have traveled from Mexico to the United States in hopes of asylum.

Workers set up the first New York City Humanitarian Emergency Response and Relief Center in an Orchard Beach parking lot on Tuesday, September 27, 2022 in the Bronx, New York. (Barry Williams/for New York Daily News)

Advocates for the homeless have raised concerns about whether the tents will comply with local housing rights law, which requires the city to provide shelter to anyone who needs it, as well as certain basic amenities such as lockers, mail and laundry access.

But Zach Iscol, Adams’ emergency management officer, testified before the council on Friday that Orchard Beach Camp does not have to comply with housing rights rules because the migrant wave is a “humanitarian crisis” outside the framework of decades – old law.

In her interview with The News, Ocasio-Cortez contradicted Iscol’s reasoning.

“It’s important that we abide by the spirit and not just the letter of the law,” she said. “All people, no matter who they are, deserve dignified, humane protection and of course we, along with so many others, will pay very close attention to this situation.”

https://localtoday.news/ny/aoc-tears-up-...39561.html

"I think we can find a better solution"

Such as...?
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(Yesterday 12:07 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:54 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:06 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Democrats cry NIMBY

From another article that explains this a bit more...

Quote:“I think we can find a better solution here,” Ocasio-Cortez said when asked about the tent complexes being built in the Bronx’s Orchard Beach parking lot to house more than 1,000 Latino migrants.

Ocasio-Cortez said she was also “very” on the side of the “feelings” of Bronx Borough President Vanessa Gibson, who earlier this week raised a number of concerns about the Orchard Beach location, including poor transport links and vulnerability for floods.

Ocasio-Cortez, who has not yet commented on the tent facility in her 14th congressional district, said she is in talks with other lawmakers to “see if there are additional federal funds” that could help the city house migrants .

“So that people can get into a better situation,” she said.

Adams spokesman Fabien Levy defended the tent plans when asked for a response to Ocasio-Cortez’s comments.

“No location is perfect, but we are confident in this decision,” he said. “And we are pleased that so many local elected officials recognize that we are in an emergency and are willing to work with us towards a successful rollout.”

The Adams administration is using the tent camp to ease pressure on the city’s housing system, which has been overwhelmed by an influx of more than 10,000 migrants who have traveled from Mexico to the United States in hopes of asylum.

Workers set up the first New York City Humanitarian Emergency Response and Relief Center in an Orchard Beach parking lot on Tuesday, September 27, 2022 in the Bronx, New York. (Barry Williams/for New York Daily News)

Advocates for the homeless have raised concerns about whether the tents will comply with local housing rights law, which requires the city to provide shelter to anyone who needs it, as well as certain basic amenities such as lockers, mail and laundry access.

But Zach Iscol, Adams’ emergency management officer, testified before the council on Friday that Orchard Beach Camp does not have to comply with housing rights rules because the migrant wave is a “humanitarian crisis” outside the framework of decades – old law.

In her interview with The News, Ocasio-Cortez contradicted Iscol’s reasoning.

“It’s important that we abide by the spirit and not just the letter of the law,” she said. “All people, no matter who they are, deserve dignified, humane protection and of course we, along with so many others, will pay very close attention to this situation.”

https://localtoday.news/ny/aoc-tears-up-...39561.html

"I think we can find a better solution"

Such as...?

I was wondering the same thing - but the sources for her entire quote are lacking. There are further details in the story that focus on whether the proposed solution is safe and provides sufficient amenities for the immigrants. See bolded.

I don't see the connection to NIMBY per purported, as I don't even see AOC advocating for anything but the conditions being substandard.
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US House candidate, IN-01

My name is Jennifer-Ruth Green and I am the Republican nominee in #IN01.

Joe Biden won my district by nine points but my race is rated as a TOSS UP.

I raised $1.3 million in the last quarter with an average donation of $42.

We are fired up and ready to flip this seat red.

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Obama's Half-Brother Goes Full MAGA - Announces Endorsement for GOP Candidate

Quote: If he’s with President Trump then I’m with @dougmastriano Pennsylvania Senator PA District 33.

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Can you say "Collusion"? I knew you could...oh, looks like big clouds of smoke, so, you know what MUST be there:

RNC says Google suppressed more than 22M GOTV, fundraising emails in September, exploring 'legal options'

Quote: The Republican National Committee says Google is suppressing get-out-the-vote and fundraising emails by sending millions of GOP election emails to users’ Gmail spam folders, with party leadership threatening to explore legal options to “put an end” to what they call a “clear pattern of bias.”

According to RNC officials, emails being sent by the RNC to Republican subscribers who use Gmail accounts in the final days of each month are being sent to spam folders.

An RNC official told Fox News Digital that since Sept. 28, Gmail has “suppressed” more than 22 million RNC emails—358,000 of which were GOTV emails.

The Strong Inbox Delivery rate falls from 90-100% to 0% at the end of the month.

RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel said Google has given zero explanation as to why it is happening.



This chart shows that party emails from the RNC go from “strong inbox delivery— 90-100%” down to 0% at the end of each month.

“Every single month, like clockwork, Google suppresses important GOTV and fundraising emails at the end of the month, with zero explanation nor commitment from Google to resolve this issue,” RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel told Fox News.

“We are less than 40 days out from Election Day, and important GOTV emails to our opted-in voters in states that have already started early voting are being systematically sent to spam.”

More Illegal Election Interference and Collusion from Big tech and media. Surprise, surprise, surprise (izzit October yet?)
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(Yesterday 12:07 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:54 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:06 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Democrats cry NIMBY

From another article that explains this a bit more...

Quote:“I think we can find a better solution here,” Ocasio-Cortez said when asked about the tent complexes being built in the Bronx’s Orchard Beach parking lot to house more than 1,000 Latino migrants.

Ocasio-Cortez said she was also “very” on the side of the “feelings” of Bronx Borough President Vanessa Gibson, who earlier this week raised a number of concerns about the Orchard Beach location, including poor transport links and vulnerability for floods.

Ocasio-Cortez, who has not yet commented on the tent facility in her 14th congressional district, said she is in talks with other lawmakers to “see if there are additional federal funds” that could help the city house migrants .

“So that people can get into a better situation,” she said.

Adams spokesman Fabien Levy defended the tent plans when asked for a response to Ocasio-Cortez’s comments.

“No location is perfect, but we are confident in this decision,” he said. “And we are pleased that so many local elected officials recognize that we are in an emergency and are willing to work with us towards a successful rollout.”

The Adams administration is using the tent camp to ease pressure on the city’s housing system, which has been overwhelmed by an influx of more than 10,000 migrants who have traveled from Mexico to the United States in hopes of asylum.

Workers set up the first New York City Humanitarian Emergency Response and Relief Center in an Orchard Beach parking lot on Tuesday, September 27, 2022 in the Bronx, New York. (Barry Williams/for New York Daily News)

Advocates for the homeless have raised concerns about whether the tents will comply with local housing rights law, which requires the city to provide shelter to anyone who needs it, as well as certain basic amenities such as lockers, mail and laundry access.

But Zach Iscol, Adams’ emergency management officer, testified before the council on Friday that Orchard Beach Camp does not have to comply with housing rights rules because the migrant wave is a “humanitarian crisis” outside the framework of decades – old law.

In her interview with The News, Ocasio-Cortez contradicted Iscol’s reasoning.

“It’s important that we abide by the spirit and not just the letter of the law,” she said. “All people, no matter who they are, deserve dignified, humane protection and of course we, along with so many others, will pay very close attention to this situation.”

https://localtoday.news/ny/aoc-tears-up-...39561.html

"I think we can find a better solution"

Such as...?

Someplace else?
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