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Help me figure it out
If Oklahoma state and Kansas go to big 10 and Texas tech goes to pac 12 what becomes of Kansas state, Iowa state, TCU, Baylor and west virginia? I'm not sure acc takes them and I'm not sure the aac guys are jumping to big 12 and do they join aac and if they do does that make aac a power conference?
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(08-26-2021 04:19 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  If Oklahoma state and Kansas go to big 10 and Texas tech goes to pac 12

... if so, I hope that all of their supporters buy lottery tickets, because luck will have gone haywire ...

Quote: what becomes of Kansas state, Iowa state, TCU, Baylor and west virginia? I'm not sure acc takes them and I'm not sure the aac guys are jumping to big 12 and do they join aac and if they do does that make aac a power conference?

By historical experience, they reload, mostly from the AAC but possibly from some other Go5 conferences as well. If they need to, they can dip into their OK/TX exit money to pay the new schools coming in a moving allowance.

I reckon that'd probably continue (though obviously there are some who strenuously disagree). That is based on the fundamental fact remains that if you merged the R8 and AAC and then started winnowing out schools heading toward 12, certainly the first four you winnow out would be AAC schools. So from the perspective of one of the schools that are more valuable than the AAC conference average, moving to a conference with a higher average value is the move that raised their conference distribution income.

On autonomy status, there is no NCAA procedure for taking away a conference's autonomy status. By the same token, "autonomy status" does not mean as much as some people think it does.

Regarding power conference status, that's just a media consensus, so its fuzzy and not 100% predictable. The more the Big12 is raided, the less the end result resembles a power conference and the more it resembles one of the journeymen conferences that make up the present Go5 ( #MACtion | #FlashFast ). It would take some clear and obvious points of separation between the Big12 for the media to keep lumping them with the Power conferences rather than the current Go5.

So while it is widely expected that the Pac12 will say it is not expanding right now, there will still be a great deal of relief among those five schools if that is in fact what the Pac-12 announces.
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(08-26-2021 04:19 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  If Oklahoma state and Kansas go to big 10 and Texas tech goes to pac 12 what becomes of Kansas state, Iowa state, TCU, Baylor and west virginia? I'm not sure acc takes them and I'm not sure the aac guys are jumping to big 12 and do they join aac and if they do does that make aac a power conference?

IMO, those remaining five would re-load with AAC and maybe a MW school. They would then likely take the AAC's place as the top G-level conference.

No, if they instead joined the AAC, the AAC is still a G-level conference, albeit now far and away the best on the field. It probably gets a boost to about $11 million per school in money as well.

But there is no configuration of L8 and AAC schools that amounts to a P-level league.
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(08-26-2021 06:05 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(08-26-2021 04:19 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  If Oklahoma state and Kansas go to big 10 and Texas tech goes to pac 12

... if so, I hope that all of their supporters buy lottery tickets, because luck will have gone haywire ...

Quote: what becomes of Kansas state, Iowa state, TCU, Baylor and west virginia? I'm not sure acc takes them and I'm not sure the aac guys are jumping to big 12 and do they join aac and if they do does that make aac a power conference?

By historical experience, they reload, mostly from the AAC but possibly from some other Go5 conferences as well. If they need to, they can dip into their OK/TX exit money to pay the new schools coming in a moving allowance.

I reckon that'd probably continue (though obviously there are some who strenuously disagree). That is based on the fundamental fact remains that if you merged the R8 and AAC and then started winnowing out schools heading toward 12, certainly the first four you winnow out would be AAC schools. So from the perspective of one of the schools that are more valuable than the AAC conference average, moving to a conference with a higher average value is the move that raised their conference distribution income.

On autonomy status, there is no NCAA procedure for taking away a conference's autonomy status. By the same token, "autonomy status" does not mean as much as some people think it does.

Regarding power conference status, that's just a media consensus, so its fuzzy and not 100% predictable. The more the Big12 is raided, the less the end result resembles a power conference and the more it resembles one of the journeymen conferences that make up the present Go5 ( #MACtion | #FlashFast ). It would take some clear and obvious points of separation between the Big12 for the media to keep lumping them with the Power conferences rather than the current Go5.

So while it is widely expected that the Pac12 will say it is not expanding right now, there will still be a great deal of relief among those five schools if that is in fact what the Pac-12 announces.

There won't be a merger of the B-12 and AAC, and then a "winnowing" of the weak schools. The "Remaining 8 - B-12" will go after BYU then take the best of the AAC and / or the MWC to get back to 12 schools. The AAC and MWC conference take the best of the rest of the remaining G3 schools to get back to their appropriate conference member numbers. 07-coffee3
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There's nothing to figure out because the OP scenario won't be happening. As soon as you suggest Oklahoma State to the Big Ten, it's not even worth discussing.
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(08-26-2021 08:26 AM)panite Wrote:  nThere won't be a merger of the B-12 and AAC, and then a "winnowing" of the weak schools. ...

And nobody said there would be. It's a thought experiment to confirm that there is nothing in the make up of the AAC to reverse the normal way things play out.

(08-26-2021 08:40 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  There's nothing to figure out because the OP scenario won't be happening. As soon as you suggest Oklahoma State to the Big Ten, it's not even worth discussing.
Hence the lottery ticket ... if the Big Ten takes Oklahoma State, maybe we've entered an alternative universe where lotteries pay out more than they take in.
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I stopped reading after "If Oklahoma state and Kansas go to Big 10"
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(08-26-2021 09:10 AM)thrill_house Wrote:  I stopped reading after "If Oklahoma state and Kansas go to Big 10"

same.
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