(09-10-2021 12:31 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 10:32 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 10:09 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  What if the AAC agrees with the SBC posters and decides to poach Louisiana, App st, Coastal Carolina and Georgia (either State or Southern) because of their football prowess. The Belt then has 6 schools. Can the SBC rebuild?

Certainly. Jax State, EKU, SHSU, Lamar would pick up the phone quickly.

That'd give the Sun Belt 3 in Texas, 3 in Alabama, 1 in Georgia, Arkansas, Louisiana and the only outlier would be Kentucky.

However, Arkansas State has the higher chance of being in that group than Coastal, just IMO.

Missouri State is talking stadium expansion. If that happens you know AState and UALR are campaigning for the Bears if Sun Belt needs members.

If anything the SBC has become much more of a golden ticket for FCS upgrades than it was before when JMU declined a move up.

This could be what is behind the push from 10 to 12 in FB more than anything else.

(09-08-2021 07:27 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Why some people still have the belief CUSA is above the SB is beyond me.

They're bigger schools, generally with bigger budgets and a lot more time in FBS. Their overall sports programs are stronger.

6 of the 10 Sun Belt schools have been in FBS less than 10 years with 3 of those startup programs. 3 others moved up between 1992 and 2002. Only ULL has been in FBS since before the formation of I-AA.

(09-10-2021 09:21 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 12:31 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 10:32 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 10:09 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  What if the AAC agrees with the SBC posters and decides to poach Louisiana, App st, Coastal Carolina and Georgia (either State or Southern) because of their football prowess. The Belt then has 6 schools. Can the SBC rebuild?

Certainly. Jax State, EKU, SHSU, Lamar would pick up the phone quickly.

That'd give the Sun Belt 3 in Texas, 3 in Alabama, 1 in Georgia, Arkansas, Louisiana and the only outlier would be Kentucky.

However, Arkansas State has the higher chance of being in that group than Coastal, just IMO.

Missouri State is talking stadium expansion. If that happens you know AState and UALR are campaigning for the Bears if Sun Belt needs members.

If anything the SBC has become much more of a golden ticket for FCS upgrades than it was before when JMU declined a move up.

This could be what is behind the push from 10 to 12 in FB more than anything else.

The existing MAC, CUSA and Sun Belt members should really work together to try to slow additions to FBS. Its just more competition and dilutes the talent. Its not going to hurt the P5, but it will really spread the talent among the G5.

(09-10-2021 10:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  The existing MAC, CUSA and Sun Belt members should really work together to try to slow additions to FBS. Its just more competition and dilutes the talent. Its not going to hurt the P5, but it will really spread the talent among the G5.

I would be surprised if any of those leagues recruits schools to move from FCS to FBS now.

In any scenario that's realistic (as opposed to goofy message board or Twitter fantasy): The MAC will be unaffected by the current round of musical chairs. CUSA could make no additions even if two members depart. The SBC is unlikely to lose more than one member to the AAC. Anything that happens to CUSA or SBC can and almost certainly will be resolved without any reason to consider schools currently in FCS.

Even in a scenario where CUSA or SBC has an odd number of remaining football teams, they could resolve it by bringing in one of the FBS indies for football only.

(09-10-2021 10:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:27 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Why some people still have the belief CUSA is above the SB is beyond me.

They're bigger schools, generally with bigger budgets and a lot more time in FBS. Their overall sports programs are stronger.

6 of the 10 Sun Belt schools have been in FBS less than 10 years with 3 of those startup programs. 3 others moved up between 1992 and 2002. Only ULL has been in FBS since before the formation of I-AA.

Big XII took UCF. They joined FBS after Akron, La Tech, and Arkansas State.

(09-10-2021 02:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 10:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:27 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Why some people still have the belief CUSA is above the SB is beyond me.

They're bigger schools, generally with bigger budgets and a lot more time in FBS. Their overall sports programs are stronger.

6 of the 10 Sun Belt schools have been in FBS less than 10 years with 3 of those startup programs. 3 others moved up between 1992 and 2002. Only ULL has been in FBS since before the formation of I-AA.

Big XII took UCF. They joined FBS after Akron, La Tech, and Arkansas State.

And they are the biggest school in the country, are 2nd in the G5 in budget (or close to 2nd after SMU-BYU and UConn are indies) and do have 3 BCS bowls.

(09-07-2021 11:41 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  The Sunbelt should also take Liberty no matter what. That program will be huge in a few years.

This.

The AAC should take a long look at Liberty, too. Although I doubt they will.

(09-10-2021 05:26 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 11:41 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  The Sunbelt should also take Liberty no matter what. That program will be huge in a few years.

This.

The AAC should take a long look at Liberty, too. Although I doubt they will.

The Sun Belt was a firm no last time but last time Falwell got in a private jet flew to every Sun Belt school, offered to pay double the entry fee and per some claims offered a mid six figure direct payment to each university either to their academic side or athletic side if selected.

How much of the rejection was we don’t think you are the sort of member we want and how much was we don’t think you are a president we want to deal with is the great unknown.

(09-10-2021 05:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  How much of the rejection was we don’t think you are the sort of member we want and how much was we don’t think you are a president we want to deal with is the great unknown.

And now, Falwell is gone.

Liberty is a great get.

The number of G level schools in the South has more than doubled. Below are southern schools in FBS.
year P5 schools other FBS
1995 32 14
2005 32 19
2021 32 32

Its a big dilution of talent in a short time.
That increase has minimal impact on the P level schools. But it has a big impact on the G level schools.

(note: the P5 numbers are schools that are P5 in 2021-all 3 years include TCU--none include UCF or Houston).

I think its had a big impact on FCS as well. MVC and Big Sky have started to dominate the top with a scattering of southern teams. It used to be the Southern and Colonial were the strongest conferences. Now some of those schools have moved up and the rest have given up recruits to new FBS schools.

If Georgia Southern were to make a move to CUSA with it's current media deal and it's current revenue I'd seriously reconsider my yearly donation. Not because I wouldn't still love my school but because I'd feel the current leadership would be too inept to be trusted with my money.

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(09-10-2021 05:56 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  If Georgia Southern were to make a move to CUSA with it's current media deal and it's current revenue I'd seriously reconsider my yearly donation. Not because I wouldn't still love my school but because I'd feel the current leadership would be too inept to be trusted with my money.

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Yeah, but current vs future makes that a lousy bet.

(09-10-2021 05:37 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 05:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  How much of the rejection was we don’t think you are the sort of member we want and how much was we don’t think you are a president we want to deal with is the great unknown.

And now, Falwell is gone.

Liberty is a great get.

There’s already a school in a power conference (for now) with a strong track record of treating women horribly, cowtowing to football coaches and imposing an athletic Omertà so strong that they literally covered up a player on player murder. Liberty hired that school’s disgraced AD and will probably hire Brother Briles when Hospital Bed Hugh replaces Dana in Houston. Long story short, Liberty is a festering wound on higher education and their dismissal of Rent Boy Jerry Junior changes nothing about the near universal disdain for the “school,” it’s weaponization of Baptists or the fact that it is a two bit diploma mill masquerading as a university.

NMSU is an available school that would serve as a travel partner for UTEP. If CUSA loses teams and survives, they could backfill. If the Sunbelt lures them away, bring in NMSU that already has a relationship in football with the Sunbelt. With lower TV contracts, travel partners to reduce expenses related to the non-revenue sports is the smart play.

(09-10-2021 10:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:27 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Why some people still have the belief CUSA is above the SB is beyond me.

They're bigger schools, generally with bigger budgets and a lot more time in FBS. Their overall sports programs are stronger.

6 of the 10 Sun Belt schools have been in FBS less than 10 years with 3 of those startup programs. 3 others moved up between 1992 and 2002. Only ULL has been in FBS since before the formation of I-AA.

All of which has absolutely nothing to do with performance on the field.

(09-10-2021 10:32 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 10:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:27 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Why some people still have the belief CUSA is above the SB is beyond me.

They're bigger schools, generally with bigger budgets and a lot more time in FBS. Their overall sports programs are stronger.

6 of the 10 Sun Belt schools have been in FBS less than 10 years with 3 of those startup programs. 3 others moved up between 1992 and 2002. Only ULL has been in FBS since before the formation of I-AA.

All of which has absolutely nothing to do with performance on the field.

And has everything to do with national perception. Which is why CUSA is above the Sun Belt.

I think some people are forgetting that there were schools in the Eastern division of CUSA who were looking for a way out long before Texas and Oklahoma started this whole sha-bang.

I could absolutely see Marshall and Old Dominion going to the Belt just to get out of CUSA.

I see the list of teams willing to make that move as pretty small though. I highly doubt any of the former SBC schools would be willing to go back and from what Matt Brown had tweeted awhile back, the SBC schools that were left behind still hold grudges against the defectors and have no desire to bail them out.

I would think that after MU and ODU, the only others that would probably consider the SBC (and be considered back) would be Southern Miss and UTSA.

JMU, SHSU, EKU are all better options than NMSU as FCS. I could see Liberty and 1 of them. Or if CUSA loses 3. JMU fills in. SBC still takes Liberty and? SHSU? EKU? I think the AAC goes to 12 so they'd take 4. That would leave another school out there to be picked up by CUSA or SBC or MAC.

(09-10-2021 10:49 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  I think some people are forgetting that there were schools in the Eastern division of CUSA who were looking for a way out long before Texas and Oklahoma started this whole sha-bang.

I could absolutely see Marshall and Old Dominion going to the Belt just to get out of CUSA.

I see the list of teams willing to make that move as pretty small though. I highly doubt any of the former SBC schools would be willing to go back and from what Matt Brown had tweeted awhile back, the SBC schools that were left behind still hold grudges against the defectors and have no desire to bail them out.

I would think that after MU and ODU, the only others that would probably consider the SBC (and be considered back) would be Southern Miss and UTSA.

I think you nailed. I could not agree more.