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RE: Notre Dame defends leprechaun mascot, ranked college football's 4th-most offensive
(08-24-2021 09:42 PM)esayem Wrote: So a mythical creature is offensive? Sounds like Notre Dame haters flooding the ballot boxes. Makes sense considering how many people hate Notre Dame for some reason.
Luckily those rascally Osprey supporters weren't able to get the RedHawks into the headline part of the rankings. Evidently while hawk on hawk politics is viscous, it's only among a small niche group of socially maladroit bird watchers.
Now, if they were still named after flaying the skins off of killed Native Americans to be turned in for a bounty, I reckon they would have been right up there.
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RE: Notre Dame defends leprechaun mascot, ranked college football's 4th-most offensive
They are the Fighting Irish, not the Fighting Irish Need Not Apply. We’re literally talking about a logo that Irish Catholics designed for their own school.
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RE: Notre Dame defends leprechaun mascot, ranked college football's 4th-most offensive
(08-25-2021 03:57 AM)BruceMcF Wrote: (08-24-2021 09:42 PM)esayem Wrote: So a mythical creature is offensive? Sounds like Notre Dame haters flooding the ballot boxes. Makes sense considering how many people hate Notre Dame for some reason.
Luckily those rascally Osprey supporters weren't able to get the RedHawks into the headline part of the rankings. Evidently while hawk on hawk politics is viscous, it's only among a small niche group of socially maladroit bird watchers.
Now, if they were still named after flaying the skins off of killed Native Americans to be turned in for a bounty, I reckon they would have been right up there.
Note sure what you’re insinuating. I don’t think the mythical leprechaun has anything to do with Miami’s former nickname.
Also your second paragraph is a little hard to comprehend since their logo was literally a Native American and not a bounty hunter.
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RE: Notre Dame defends leprechaun mascot, ranked college football's 4th-most offensive
(08-25-2021 12:04 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: (08-24-2021 06:31 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote: Who dafuq is offended by the Leprechaun mascot? There's nothing remotely offensive about this.
Probably the non-Irish.
Hell, they don't even get a vote.
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RE: Notre Dame defends leprechaun mascot, ranked college football's 4th-most offensive
(08-25-2021 07:01 AM)TerryD Wrote: (08-25-2021 12:04 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: (08-24-2021 06:31 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote: Who dafuq is offended by the Leprechaun mascot? There's nothing remotely offensive about this.
Probably the non-Irish.
Hell, they don't even get a vote.
Well played.
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RE: Notre Dame defends leprechaun mascot, ranked college football's 4th-most offensive
Exactly how to manage something like this. BYU should change their name to the "Oppressors" considering how many white players they have. Marxists would be speechless.
Notre Dame said its nickname, Fighting Irish, began as a term used by other schools to mock its athletic teams.
At the time, anti-Catholicism and anti-immigrant sentiments were strong. Because Notre Dame was largely populated by ethnic Catholics – mostly Irish, but also Germans, Italians and Poles – the university was a natural target for ethnic slurs, it said.
At one football game in 1899, Northwestern students chanted “Kill the fighting Irish," Notre Dame said.
As the school's football team gained national prominence in the early 1900s, journalists began to use the “fighting Irish” phrase in their stories.
"Soon, Notre Dame supporters took it up, turning what once was an epithet into an 'in-your-face' expression of triumph," the university said.
The Fighting Irish nickname was made official in 1927 when university president Father Matthew Walsh, of Irish descent, adopted the name.
As for the leprechaun, Notre Dame said, it is "symbolic of the Fighting Irish and intentionally a caricature."
Notre Dame went on to note the leprechaun began in England — as a disparaging symbol of Irish people.
"Irish-Americans — including those at Notre Dame — again have turned back on former oppressors as a sign of celebration and triumph," the university wrote. "In both the upraised fists of the leprechaun mascot and the use of the word “fighting,” the intent is to recognize the determination of the Irish people and, symbolically, the university’s athletes."
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RE: Notre Dame defends leprechaun mascot, ranked college football's 4th-most offensive
(08-25-2021 08:33 AM)Kyle Mack Wrote: Exactly how to manage something like this. BYU should change their name to the "Oppressors" considering how many white players they have. Marxists would be speechless.
Notre Dame said its nickname, Fighting Irish, began as a term used by other schools to mock its athletic teams.
At the time, anti-Catholicism and anti-immigrant sentiments were strong. Because Notre Dame was largely populated by ethnic Catholics – mostly Irish, but also Germans, Italians and Poles – the university was a natural target for ethnic slurs, it said.
At one football game in 1899, Northwestern students chanted “Kill the fighting Irish," Notre Dame said.
As the school's football team gained national prominence in the early 1900s, journalists began to use the “fighting Irish” phrase in their stories.
"Soon, Notre Dame supporters took it up, turning what once was an epithet into an 'in-your-face' expression of triumph," the university said.
The Fighting Irish nickname was made official in 1927 when university president Father Matthew Walsh, of Irish descent, adopted the name.
As for the leprechaun, Notre Dame said, it is "symbolic of the Fighting Irish and intentionally a caricature."
Notre Dame went on to note the leprechaun began in England — as a disparaging symbol of Irish people.
"Irish-Americans — including those at Notre Dame — again have turned back on former oppressors as a sign of celebration and triumph," the university wrote. "In both the upraised fists of the leprechaun mascot and the use of the word “fighting,” the intent is to recognize the determination of the Irish people and, symbolically, the university’s athletes."
Was always proud of the leprechaun and what it represented
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RE: Notre Dame defends leprechaun mascot, ranked college football's 4th-most offensive
(08-24-2021 08:33 PM)The Grassy Nole Wrote: (08-24-2021 02:26 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote: Doesn't FSU have a relationship with the Seminole Tribe and therefore would not make it offensive? I don't consider Osceola and Renegade a mascot though, more of a tribute-icon.
They do, the Tribe approves of Osceola as an icon and even assists the university in preserving his memory through Osceola and Renegade every year.
The Florida Seminoles do. The Oklahoma Seminoles are offended by some of the ways their tribal symbols have been appropriated. The tribe came by once or twice to protest during my time at FSU
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