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RE: How does the Alliance help the ACC
(08-30-2021 03:30 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-29-2021 07:06 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(08-29-2021 04:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/pac-12-...-plan.html

Now it seems the goal is 2 Alliance games plus 8 conference games

Those SEC rivalry games are looking hard to retain

By having ND games count towards the Alliance commitment, the ACC can maintain the rivalry games. The ACC has more teams than the other conferences so they will always have teams with open dates.

The B1G also has 14 teams, just like the ACC.

For purposes of Alliance scheduling, ND games against the PAC or B1G count as an “ACC” opponent. Therefore, the ACC has 15 teams eligible for scheduling.

If ND continues its annual matchups against USC and Stanford, only 10 full -time ACC teams will actually play PAC opponents each year. Four full-time ACC teams will need to skip a PAC matchup annually…which happens to fortuitously coincide with the number of ACC v SEC in-state rivalries.

ND also generally plays one B1G opponent each year. In Alliance scheduling, this allows more ACC-SEC games to be scheduled (e.g., NC State-U of SC, Mia-Ala, etc.).
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RE: How does the Alliance help the ACC
(08-30-2021 04:18 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(08-30-2021 03:30 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-29-2021 07:06 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(08-29-2021 04:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/pac-12-...-plan.html

Now it seems the goal is 2 Alliance games plus 8 conference games

Those SEC rivalry games are looking hard to retain

By having ND games count towards the Alliance commitment, the ACC can maintain the rivalry games. The ACC has more teams than the other conferences so they will always have teams with open dates.

The B1G also has 14 teams, just like the ACC.

For purposes of Alliance scheduling, ND games against the PAC or B1G count as an “ACC” opponent. Therefore, the ACC has 15 teams eligible for scheduling.

If ND continues its annual matchups against USC and Stanford, only 10 full -time ACC teams will actually play PAC opponents each year. Four full-time ACC teams will need to skip a PAC matchup annually…which happens to fortuitously coincide with the number of ACC v SEC in-state rivalries.

ND also generally plays one B1G opponent each year. In Alliance scheduling, this allows more ACC-SEC games to be scheduled (e.g., NC State-U of SC, Mia-Ala, etc.).

The Big Ten may also want to make allowance for Iowa to play Iowa State - maybe even Nebraska vs. Oklahoma?
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RE: How does the Alliance help the ACC
(08-29-2021 06:54 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-29-2021 04:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/pac-12-...-plan.html

Now it seems the goal is 2 Alliance games plus 8 conference games

Those SEC rivalry games are looking hard to retain

Not at all.

According to what's been stated, Notre Dame games will count as ACC. There are 12 Pac-12 teams, two of which play Notre Dame every year - that leaves 10.
If there are 10 Pac-vs-ACC games, that leaves 4 ACC teams w/o a Pac-12 partner.
Guess how many ACC/SEC rivalry games there are?

I'm glad you figured that out. However, will those schools in the ACC be content to never play a PAC-12 game?
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RE: How does the Alliance help the ACC
(08-31-2021 05:45 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-29-2021 06:54 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-29-2021 04:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/pac-12-...-plan.html

Now it seems the goal is 2 Alliance games plus 8 conference games

Those SEC rivalry games are looking hard to retain

Not at all.

According to what's been stated, Notre Dame games will count as ACC. There are 12 Pac-12 teams, two of which play Notre Dame every year - that leaves 10.
If there are 10 Pac-vs-ACC games, that leaves 4 ACC teams w/o a Pac-12 partner.
Guess how many ACC/SEC rivalry games there are?

I'm glad you figured that out. However, will those schools in the ACC be content to never play a PAC-12 game?

Someone can occasionally play 2 B1G teams so that Clemson, FSU, GT or Louisville can play a Pac-12 team. It's no biggie.

Similar issue: USC is technically off the table for all ACC teams because of playing Notre Dame; that won't fly either!
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RE: How does the Alliance help the ACC
(08-31-2021 07:56 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-31-2021 05:45 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-29-2021 06:54 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-29-2021 04:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/pac-12-...-plan.html

Now it seems the goal is 2 Alliance games plus 8 conference games

Those SEC rivalry games are looking hard to retain

Not at all.

According to what's been stated, Notre Dame games will count as ACC. There are 12 Pac-12 teams, two of which play Notre Dame every year - that leaves 10.
If there are 10 Pac-vs-ACC games, that leaves 4 ACC teams w/o a Pac-12 partner.
Guess how many ACC/SEC rivalry games there are?

I'm glad you figured that out. However, will those schools in the ACC be content to never play a PAC-12 game?

Someone can occasionally play 2 B1G teams so that Clemson, FSU, GT or Louisville can play a Pac-12 team. It's no biggie.

Similar issue: USC is technically off the table for all ACC teams because of playing Notre Dame; that won't fly either!

FYI: USC and Boston College played a home and home in 2013-14.
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RE: How does the Alliance help the ACC
(08-31-2021 09:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-31-2021 07:56 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-31-2021 05:45 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-29-2021 06:54 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-29-2021 04:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/pac-12-...-plan.html

Now it seems the goal is 2 Alliance games plus 8 conference games

Those SEC rivalry games are looking hard to retain

Not at all.

According to what's been stated, Notre Dame games will count as ACC. There are 12 Pac-12 teams, two of which play Notre Dame every year - that leaves 10.
If there are 10 Pac-vs-ACC games, that leaves 4 ACC teams w/o a Pac-12 partner.
Guess how many ACC/SEC rivalry games there are?

I'm glad you figured that out. However, will those schools in the ACC be content to never play a PAC-12 game?

Someone can occasionally play 2 B1G teams so that Clemson, FSU, GT or Louisville can play a Pac-12 team. It's no biggie.

Similar issue: USC is technically off the table for all ACC teams because of playing Notre Dame; that won't fly either!

FYI: USC and Boston College played a home and home in 2013-14.

Yes, I wrote about the exciting upset win for the Eagles. My point is, lots of ACC teams would like to play USC, but under the existing rules of Alliance scheduling, the Trojans meet their ACC quota every year just by playing Notre Dame.
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RE: How does the Alliance help the ACC
(08-31-2021 04:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-31-2021 09:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-31-2021 07:56 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-31-2021 05:45 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-29-2021 06:54 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Not at all.

According to what's been stated, Notre Dame games will count as ACC. There are 12 Pac-12 teams, two of which play Notre Dame every year - that leaves 10.
If there are 10 Pac-vs-ACC games, that leaves 4 ACC teams w/o a Pac-12 partner.
Guess how many ACC/SEC rivalry games there are?

I'm glad you figured that out. However, will those schools in the ACC be content to never play a PAC-12 game?

Someone can occasionally play 2 B1G teams so that Clemson, FSU, GT or Louisville can play a Pac-12 team. It's no biggie.

Similar issue: USC is technically off the table for all ACC teams because of playing Notre Dame; that won't fly either!

FYI: USC and Boston College played a home and home in 2013-14.

Yes, I wrote about the exciting upset win for the Eagles. My point is, lots of ACC teams would like to play USC, but under the existing rules of Alliance scheduling, the Trojans meet their ACC quota every year just by playing Notre Dame.

Mark, we all know this alliance is stupid.
Each of the three conferences have their own agenda re: the Alliance, and if Phillips were smart he would realize that the ACC is the traditional "odd man out".
Perhaps he is just trying to leverage ESPN into paying the ACC in a more equitable way or that the Presidents are looking for an avenue not to be absorbed into the SEC, but I can't see how increasing travel costs and playing teams that no one cares about is going to make the ACC more money.

I still contend this would be our best plan forward;

I think you could take the soon to be 16 team SEC and the 14 team ACC and come up with two conferences/divisions of 15 each that would be more compact and more succinct and much better prepared for the future.

I would move the two ACC Florida schools into the SEC while moving Kentucky, Tennessee and South Carolina into the ACC to create two 15 team conferences that would be divided into 3 pods of 5 teams

Miami, Florida State, Florida, Georgia, Auburn
Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, LSU
Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri

Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, VT
Kentucky, Tennessee, Duke, Carolina, UVa
Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest


If we continue to pursue the alliance. Some ACC schools will end up being absorbed by the B1G, some will be picked up by the SEC and several (Wake Forest, Syracuse, Boston College and probably Pitt will be demoted).
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RE: How does the Alliance help the ACC
From what i understand about the alliance, i figure there are a few points that they are going to work on
1. Figure out what is the best setup for the playoffs from the Alliance's perspective
2. Set out the rules for the Autonomous 5 conferences
3. Create more attractive matchups for Football and Basketball
4. This is a longer term goal but there initiator behind the alliance is the Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff. He has experience with gambling (MGM) and Internet Streaming (Comcast Hulu).

First the gambling angle. I will post the title from an article from the Wall Street Journal. Out of respect for the Wall Street Journal, I will not post the article as it is for subscribers only.

ESPN Explores Sports-Betting Deal Worth at Least $3 Billion
Sports-media giant has held talks to license its brand to sportsbooks including Caesars Entertainment and DraftKings

The article outlines that ESPN is just going to be providing its name for branding purposes. There is going to be an opportunity for all of the conferences to gather up statistics and data and sell it to the various sports books. Sports gambling is taking off around the world and you would be surprised at the various statistics and data that gamblers want to look at. This is an opportunity for all of alliance to gain extra revenue by selling it to the sports books but this is going to be a bit of work on the technology side to gather. The alliance can pool their technology staff and save on that part of gathering the data and storing it in databases and then manipulating the data and presenting it to the sports books.

5. Longer term after the Pac-12 and Big Ten TV contracts are signed, it will clear the way for a basketball super league to be created and sell it to the rest of the world via internet streaming. The Pac-12 commissioner specializes in internet streaming as he has a background at Comcast with Hulu. The profits that these internet streaming companies Disney, Netflix, Apple, Amazon, Comcast (Peacock), Viacom (Paramount+) are huge and growing because they are selling to a worldwide audience a subscription model. The market for the best US college basketball would probably be pretty high around the world seeing as though basketball is the 2nd most popular sport in the world.

6. Pool your technology staff on any other initiatives that you might want to do. For example perhaps the alliance decides that they want to create an App on Android and Apple. Why not share the staff and do the app and just change the wrapper for the various conferences (Pac-12, Big Ten, ACC). Lots of opportunities to share resources.
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RE: How does the Alliance help the ACC
I think a good approach to the Alliance would be to simply rank teams within each conference, 1-14 or 1-12, and then set the following years matchup based upon these standings. Obviously, since there are three conferences, two conference champs would play and the remaining conf. champ would play a runner-up...Then, the two runner-ups would match up.

This would require a few rules.
1. Teams switch home and away, year after year
2. Teams cannot play in consecutive years
3. The matchups simply don't stick with #5 ACC vs #5 PAC12/BIG, there needs to flexibility to perhaps get the best matchup based on win percentage

Not a rule, but it would be best for each Alliance conference to play an 8 game schedule. Which, supposedly, the Pac12 and B1G are considering.

I went through the last 4 years and set the ACC matchups. X= previous seasons conf champ. Z= runner up
Clemson xOhio State xWashington zUtah xOhio St
FSU Nebraska Indiana Arizona St Michigan
Miami zStanford Arizona Michigan St zUSC
VaTech Arizona St Purdue Iowa Minnesota
UNC Illinois Oregon St Indiana Washington
NC St Penn St Stanford Rutgers Indiana
L'ville Oregon Rutgers Minnesota Washington St
Pitt Colorado zNWestern Oregon St Wisconsin
GTech Purdue Arizona St Nwestern Rutgers
BC UCLA Michigan St Cal Colorado
Virginia Utah USC zWisconsin Nebraska
Syracuse Maryland Penn State Maryland Arizona
Duke Rutgers Maryland Stanford Illinois
WF Iowa Nebraska Washington St UCLA
Of course the spaces that I had between the columns didn't "stick". 05-mafia
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(09-17-2021 04:36 PM)Pitt2003 Wrote:  Not a rule, but it would be best for each Alliance conference to play an 8 game schedule. Which, supposedly, the Pac12 and B1G are considering.

I heard no news of the Big 10 or Pac 12 considering an 8 game schedule and I would hate to see the Big 10 drop a conference game.
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(09-17-2021 08:52 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I heard no news of the Big 10 or Pac 12 considering an 8 game schedule and I would hate to see the Big 10 drop a conference game.

https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/pac-12-...-plan.html

https://www.si.com/college/utah/football...ence-games
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(09-17-2021 08:52 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 04:36 PM)Pitt2003 Wrote:  Not a rule, but it would be best for each Alliance conference to play an 8 game schedule. Which, supposedly, the Pac12 and B1G are considering.

I heard no news of the Big 10 or Pac 12 considering an 8 game schedule and I would hate to see the Big 10 drop a conference game.

8 conference games works well for 14 teams if they change to rule so that we don't have to have divisions. 3 permanent partners and 5 games to rotate around the remaining 10 teams. Maybe that's their plan.
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RE: How does the Alliance help the ACC
(08-31-2021 04:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-31-2021 09:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-31-2021 07:56 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
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(08-29-2021 06:54 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Not at all.

According to what's been stated, Notre Dame games will count as ACC. There are 12 Pac-12 teams, two of which play Notre Dame every year - that leaves 10.
If there are 10 Pac-vs-ACC games, that leaves 4 ACC teams w/o a Pac-12 partner.
Guess how many ACC/SEC rivalry games there are?

I'm glad you figured that out. However, will those schools in the ACC be content to never play a PAC-12 game?

Someone can occasionally play 2 B1G teams so that Clemson, FSU, GT or Louisville can play a Pac-12 team. It's no biggie.

Similar issue: USC is technically off the table for all ACC teams because of playing Notre Dame; that won't fly either!

FYI: USC and Boston College played a home and home in 2013-14.

Yes, I wrote about the exciting upset win for the Eagles. My point is, lots of ACC teams would like to play USC, but under the existing rules of Alliance scheduling, the Trojans meet their ACC quota every year just by playing Notre Dame.

I don't think USC is going to treat their game with ND like an ACC requirement game. Dropping back to 8 conference games allows for an extra and meaningful ooc game.

Here is who USC has played OOC of note since 2008:

08- UVa/Ohio State/ND
09 - Ohio State/ND
10 - UVa/Minn/ND
11 - Minn/Syracuse/ND
12 - Syracuse/ND
13 - BC/ND
14 - BC/ND
15 - ND
16 - Alabama/ND
17 - Texas/ND
18 - Texas/ND
19 - BYU/ND
21 - BYU/ND
22 - BYU/ND
23 - BYU/ND
24 - LSU/ND
25 - Ole Miss/ND
26 - Ole Miss/ND

With four ooc openings, USC is going to play 3 P-4/5 schools most years.

The extra ooc game allows USC to schedule ACC and B10 without much regard to ND. Even with that, USC will still want to play a SEC team from time to time, as well as BYU, Hawaii, Service Academy, etc.
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RE: How does the Alliance help the ACC
I think a scheduling rotation of BC, SU, and Pitt with UMD, RU, and PSU would be great for both conferences. UVA should be playing UMD every season IMO.
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(09-18-2021 07:39 AM)esayem Wrote:  I think a scheduling rotation of BC, SU, and Pitt with UMD, RU, and PSU would be great for both conferences. UVA should be playing UMD every season IMO.

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RE: How does the Alliance help the ACC
Somehow I just don't see where it makes sense for all the ACC schools to try to schedule both a B1G and a PAC opponent in the same year. Not unless the regular season expands to 13 games (which I would prefer over an expanded CFP).
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(09-22-2021 06:20 AM)ken d Wrote:  Somehow I just don't see where it makes sense for all the ACC schools to try to schedule both a B1G and a PAC opponent in the same year. Not unless the regular season expands to 13 games (which I would prefer over an expanded CFP).

...unless it's part of a TV contract upgrade for more money - then it makes perfect sense.
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