(08-24-2021 05:49 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:44 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:34 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:27 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  You could also, ya know, get the vaccine. Then no more worries about football, tests or dying of COVID.

If you got a vaccine why do you care? If the vaccine is available and you chose not to get it why do you care?

Edit - It's really not a vaccine. I got it fwiw.

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I would rather people not die needlessly, but in the context of his point, it's only an inconvenience for the unvaccinated. A person who's had the shot will never have to spend their days before the game getting tested and proving they're negative. They can go into any grocery store, drug store, or doctor's office and get this taken care of in minutes. And (less important than LSU football of course) they probably won't ever show any symptoms and almost certainly won't die if they do. Win-win-win all around, or if they don't like winning, I guess it's burn an afternoon every week ?‍

Unvaccinated people who show symptoms also almost never die.

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And yet all "almost nevers" aren't equivalent are they?

True. For example, airplanes almost never crash. However if 99.9% of all planes landed safely, it still means 10 planes would crash and 1500 people would die per day because of it. Half the country is vaccinated yet 99> of hospitalizations and 99.8% of deaths - currently- are among the unvaccinated.

The “almost never” in this case is a pretty strong indicator of why this is in effect.

(08-24-2021 06:34 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:40 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Actually, what I'm worried about is the dissolution of our social fabric. The pressure to conform being one aspect, but it's alarming just how many people are perfectly fine with making life difficult for their neighbors and fellow citizens. Preventing someone from attending a football game after they've already purchased a ticket is just one of the more mild "solutions" being proposed these days. That's the sort of thing I'm worried about.

What about making life difficult for your neighbors by taking up all the beds in the ICU because you didn't want to get the shot? I'm not worried about having to go to the hospital from COVID, because i got the shot. I *am* worried about not having ICU access if I say, get hit by a car, or need surgery for something completely different.

As much as we'd like to pretend they don't, our public health decisions....impact other people.

Your argument can apply to almost anything.

If you're willing to apply that standard to any medical decision and if you're willing to create institutional impediments for people who do anything that might conceivably harm the public health or the ability of medical resources to respond then I will consider the weight of your point, but I'm assuming(a dangerous prospect) that you think the pandemic changes the rules.

But the question then becomes if the pandemic changes the rules then how far are we allowed to go to ensure ICU access or to reduce the possibility that anyone might contract COVID? Yes, that's a serious question.

Virtually any horror can be justified in the name of the common good.

Either way, no one avoids the vaccine because they "intend" to take up an ICU bed. In fact, the vast majority of people who avoid the vaccine won't even be hospitalized. The question isn't rational. They might avoid the vaccine for a variety of reasons, some reasonable or some unreasonable. The point I'm making about denying someone entry to a game is it is the "intent" to force someone to change their behavior. That is the sole purpose.

One other point, if the well being of the public is the prime concern here then are we willing to discuss the fallout from numerous anti-COVID policies? Such as the sharp rise in suicides and deaths from treatable diseases that went undetected simply because institutional impediments were created that either discouraged or reduced a person's capacity to seek out medical care, regardless of whether they needed the ICU or not.

(08-24-2021 05:48 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:40 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:58 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:33 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Still do

Not really. If you want to go and don't get your result back in time, I guess you're SOL?

Not to mention, LSU will play on Saturdays. How many of these labs will be working and reporting results on the weekend?

The test must be taken within 72 hours so you have to get the test on Wednesday at the earliest and hope you get some documentation by Friday afternoon.

By the way, what sort of documentation will be considered acceptable in an environment where thousands of people will be entering a single facility in the span of a few hours?

At best, this is a logistical nightmare.

You could also, ya know, get the vaccine. Then no more worries about football, tests or dying of COVID.

A vaccinated individual cannot die of COVID? So there could never be a need to send a vaccinated individual to the ICU, correct?

Actually, what I'm worried about is the dissolution of our social fabric. The pressure to conform being one aspect, but it's alarming just how many people are perfectly fine with making life difficult for their neighbors and fellow citizens. Preventing someone from attending a football game after they've already purchased a ticket is just one of the more mild "solutions" being proposed these days. That's the sort of thing I'm worried about.

Not literally impossible, but close to it. I think you know that and just wanted a gotcha.

No one has an unalienable right to attend a football game. It is very gracious of LSU to even give the unvaccinated an option to show a negative test - they could justifiably require vaccination and leave it at that.

The only people remotely inconvenienced by this are those refusing vaccination, which they have the right to make that choice but they don't have the right to be free from any consequences of that choice.

Latest data says that's not true. Much less likely to die, but no longer close to impossible. The Delta variant and the decline of vaccine efficiacy have changed that. CDC came out today and said a study of health care workers showed the vaccine dropped from 91% effective to 66% effective from April to August.

I'm fully vaccinated and recently got an antibody test that showed it was still strong, but I'm not certain I'm going to football games this fall. Maybe 1 or 2. Not 3 or 4 like usual. Maybe none. I'm not high risk, but I'm not under 40 either. Also, I really like eating, so I don't want to lose my sense of taste!

(08-24-2021 06:54 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 06:34 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:40 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Actually, what I'm worried about is the dissolution of our social fabric. The pressure to conform being one aspect, but it's alarming just how many people are perfectly fine with making life difficult for their neighbors and fellow citizens. Preventing someone from attending a football game after they've already purchased a ticket is just one of the more mild "solutions" being proposed these days. That's the sort of thing I'm worried about.

What about making life difficult for your neighbors by taking up all the beds in the ICU because you didn't want to get the shot? I'm not worried about having to go to the hospital from COVID, because i got the shot. I *am* worried about not having ICU access if I say, get hit by a car, or need surgery for something completely different.

As much as we'd like to pretend they don't, our public health decisions....impact other people.

Your argument can apply to almost anything.

If you're willing to apply that standard to any medical decision and if you're willing to create institutional impediments for people who do anything that might conceivably harm the public health or the ability of medical resources to respond then I will consider the weight of your point, but I'm assuming(a dangerous prospect) that you think the pandemic changes the rules.

But the question then becomes if the pandemic changes the rules then how far are we allowed to go to ensure ICU access or to reduce the possibility that anyone might contract COVID? Yes, that's a serious question.

Virtually any horror can be justified in the name of the common good.

Either way, no one avoids the vaccine because they "intend" to take up an ICU bed. In fact, the vast majority of people who avoid the vaccine won't even be hospitalized. The question isn't rational. They might avoid the vaccine for a variety of reasons, some reasonable or some unreasonable. The point I'm making about denying someone entry to a game is it is the "intent" to force someone to change their behavior. That is the sole purpose.

One other point, if the well being of the public is the prime concern here then are we willing to discuss the fallout from numerous anti-COVID policies? Such as the sharp rise in suicides and deaths from treatable diseases that went undetected simply because institutional impediments were created that either discouraged or reduced a person's capacity to seek out medical care, regardless of whether they needed the ICU or not.

If the well being of the public was the prime reason, there would not be any fans allowed.

Why is this in conference realignment talk lol

(08-24-2021 06:54 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  But the question then becomes if the pandemic changes the rules then how far are we allowed to go to ensure ICU access or to reduce the possibility that anyone might contract COVID? Yes, that's a serious question.

Changes what rules? Governments have had the power to require vaccination since colonial times. If the State of Louisiana allows LSU to require proof of vaccination, well, we are all born into places that had rules put into place before we were born, and we don't always like it. That's life.

(08-24-2021 05:40 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:58 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:33 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:22 PM)b2b Wrote:  Where you have a choice to go or not go.

Still do

Not really. If you want to go and don't get your result back in time, I guess you're SOL?

Not to mention, LSU will play on Saturdays. How many of these labs will be working and reporting results on the weekend?

The test must be taken within 72 hours so you have to get the test on Wednesday at the earliest and hope you get some documentation by Friday afternoon.

By the way, what sort of documentation will be considered acceptable in an environment where thousands of people will be entering a single facility in the span of a few hours?

At best, this is a logistical nightmare.

You could also, ya know, get the vaccine. Then no more worries about football, tests or dying of COVID.

A vaccinated individual cannot die of COVID? So there could never be a need to send a vaccinated individual to the ICU, correct?

Actually, what I'm worried about is the dissolution of our social fabric. The pressure to conform being one aspect, but it's alarming just how many people are perfectly fine with making life difficult for their neighbors and fellow citizens. Preventing someone from attending a football game after they've already purchased a ticket is just one of the more mild "solutions" being proposed these days. That's the sort of thing I'm worried about.

Flip side. If people who are healthy enough and eligible to get vaccinated actually would, then community spread would greatly decrease and everyone would be safer. It's the unvaccinated that are making life harder for everyone. Case in point my daughters school is having an emergency board meeting tonight and will probably (hopefully) go virtual for a couple weeks to reset after having about 50 positive cases and over 300 quarantined in the first few two weeks of being back in session. Many of those kids aren't eligible to get vaccinated.

I'm concerned about a populace who can watch hospitals fill up, schools close again and don't want to take any action themselves nor do they want their elected officials to do anything about it. There's something inherently wrong about that. And then you're going to point the finger at the people who do want to take action and say they're the ones that are destroying the social fabric.

edit: Vaccinated people can and have died and ended up in the ICU. Much less likely though. The idea that your choice to not get vaccinated doesn't affect others or the society at large is patently false and should be driven from everyone's heads. Someone shared a picture of their 5 year old cancer patient, sick, feverish and asleep in his car seat while waiting in the parking lot of our local hospital because they couldn't admit him. The hospital is filled with people who chose not to get the vaccine. The mother was PISSED and rightfully so.

(08-25-2021 08:11 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:40 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:58 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:33 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Still do

Not really. If you want to go and don't get your result back in time, I guess you're SOL?

Not to mention, LSU will play on Saturdays. How many of these labs will be working and reporting results on the weekend?

The test must be taken within 72 hours so you have to get the test on Wednesday at the earliest and hope you get some documentation by Friday afternoon.

By the way, what sort of documentation will be considered acceptable in an environment where thousands of people will be entering a single facility in the span of a few hours?

At best, this is a logistical nightmare.

You could also, ya know, get the vaccine. Then no more worries about football, tests or dying of COVID.

A vaccinated individual cannot die of COVID? So there could never be a need to send a vaccinated individual to the ICU, correct?

Actually, what I'm worried about is the dissolution of our social fabric. The pressure to conform being one aspect, but it's alarming just how many people are perfectly fine with making life difficult for their neighbors and fellow citizens. Preventing someone from attending a football game after they've already purchased a ticket is just one of the more mild "solutions" being proposed these days. That's the sort of thing I'm worried about.

Flip side. If people who are healthy enough and eligible to get vaccinated actually would, then community spread would greatly decrease and everyone would be safer. It's the unvaccinated that are making life harder for everyone. Case in point my daughters school is having an emergency board meeting tonight and will probably (hopefully) go virtual for a couple weeks to reset after having about 50 positive cases and over 300 quarantined in the first few two weeks of being back in session. Many of those kids aren't eligible to get vaccinated.

I'm concerned about a populace who can watch hospitals fill up, schools close again and don't want to take any action themselves nor do they want their elected officials to do anything about it. There's something inherently wrong about that. And then you're going to point the finger at the people who do want to take action and say they're the ones that are destroying the social fabric.

edit: Vaccinated people can and have died and ended up in the ICU. Much less likely though. The idea that your choice to not get vaccinated doesn't affect others or the society at large is patently false and should be driven from everyone's heads. Someone shared a picture of their 5 year old cancer patient, sick, feverish and asleep in his car seat while waiting in the parking lot of our local hospital because they couldn't admit him. The hospital is filled with people who chose not to get the vaccine. The mother was PISSED and rightfully so.

What hospital didn’t admit a juvenile for oncology due to Covid admissions?

(08-25-2021 09:20 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 08:11 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:40 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:58 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Not really. If you want to go and don't get your result back in time, I guess you're SOL?

Not to mention, LSU will play on Saturdays. How many of these labs will be working and reporting results on the weekend?

The test must be taken within 72 hours so you have to get the test on Wednesday at the earliest and hope you get some documentation by Friday afternoon.

By the way, what sort of documentation will be considered acceptable in an environment where thousands of people will be entering a single facility in the span of a few hours?

At best, this is a logistical nightmare.

You could also, ya know, get the vaccine. Then no more worries about football, tests or dying of COVID.

A vaccinated individual cannot die of COVID? So there could never be a need to send a vaccinated individual to the ICU, correct?

Actually, what I'm worried about is the dissolution of our social fabric. The pressure to conform being one aspect, but it's alarming just how many people are perfectly fine with making life difficult for their neighbors and fellow citizens. Preventing someone from attending a football game after they've already purchased a ticket is just one of the more mild "solutions" being proposed these days. That's the sort of thing I'm worried about.

Flip side. If people who are healthy enough and eligible to get vaccinated actually would, then community spread would greatly decrease and everyone would be safer. It's the unvaccinated that are making life harder for everyone. Case in point my daughters school is having an emergency board meeting tonight and will probably (hopefully) go virtual for a couple weeks to reset after having about 50 positive cases and over 300 quarantined in the first few two weeks of being back in session. Many of those kids aren't eligible to get vaccinated.

I'm concerned about a populace who can watch hospitals fill up, schools close again and don't want to take any action themselves nor do they want their elected officials to do anything about it. There's something inherently wrong about that. And then you're going to point the finger at the people who do want to take action and say they're the ones that are destroying the social fabric.

edit: Vaccinated people can and have died and ended up in the ICU. Much less likely though. The idea that your choice to not get vaccinated doesn't affect others or the society at large is patently false and should be driven from everyone's heads. Someone shared a picture of their 5 year old cancer patient, sick, feverish and asleep in his car seat while waiting in the parking lot of our local hospital because they couldn't admit him. The hospital is filled with people who chose not to get the vaccine. The mother was PISSED and rightfully so.

What hospital didn’t admit a juvenile for oncology due to Covid admissions?

Roanoke Memorial. It wasn't for oncology, he was just sick and due to his weakened immune system even a cold can become severe. According to the post she was waiting in the parking lot while they tried to figure out what to do with him. It does seem like there would be better places to take him but maybe his Dr told him to go the emergency room. We do have a stand alone emergency room a few miles away that could likely provide fluids and antivirals or whatever else he needed if he didn't need to be admitted overnight.

(08-25-2021 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 09:20 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 08:11 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:40 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  You could also, ya know, get the vaccine. Then no more worries about football, tests or dying of COVID.

A vaccinated individual cannot die of COVID? So there could never be a need to send a vaccinated individual to the ICU, correct?

Actually, what I'm worried about is the dissolution of our social fabric. The pressure to conform being one aspect, but it's alarming just how many people are perfectly fine with making life difficult for their neighbors and fellow citizens. Preventing someone from attending a football game after they've already purchased a ticket is just one of the more mild "solutions" being proposed these days. That's the sort of thing I'm worried about.

Flip side. If people who are healthy enough and eligible to get vaccinated actually would, then community spread would greatly decrease and everyone would be safer. It's the unvaccinated that are making life harder for everyone. Case in point my daughters school is having an emergency board meeting tonight and will probably (hopefully) go virtual for a couple weeks to reset after having about 50 positive cases and over 300 quarantined in the first few two weeks of being back in session. Many of those kids aren't eligible to get vaccinated.

I'm concerned about a populace who can watch hospitals fill up, schools close again and don't want to take any action themselves nor do they want their elected officials to do anything about it. There's something inherently wrong about that. And then you're going to point the finger at the people who do want to take action and say they're the ones that are destroying the social fabric.

edit: Vaccinated people can and have died and ended up in the ICU. Much less likely though. The idea that your choice to not get vaccinated doesn't affect others or the society at large is patently false and should be driven from everyone's heads. Someone shared a picture of their 5 year old cancer patient, sick, feverish and asleep in his car seat while waiting in the parking lot of our local hospital because they couldn't admit him. The hospital is filled with people who chose not to get the vaccine. The mother was PISSED and rightfully so.

What hospital didn’t admit a juvenile for oncology due to Covid admissions?

Roanoke Memorial. It wasn't for oncology, he was just sick and due to his weakened immune system even a cold can become severe. According to the post she was waiting in the parking lot while they tried to figure out what to do with him. It does seem like there would be better places to take him but maybe his Dr told him to go the emergency room. We do have a stand alone emergency room a few miles away that could likely provide fluids and antivirals or whatever else he needed if he didn't need to be admitted overnight.

Emergency rooms overflow regularly with the ebb and flow. This happened long before Covid. They will send people to other emergency rooms.

It will be interesting to see what other schools follow. I think its already clear nobody is forcing the players, who will be face to face, be vaccinated.

(08-25-2021 09:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 09:20 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 08:11 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:40 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  A vaccinated individual cannot die of COVID? So there could never be a need to send a vaccinated individual to the ICU, correct?

Actually, what I'm worried about is the dissolution of our social fabric. The pressure to conform being one aspect, but it's alarming just how many people are perfectly fine with making life difficult for their neighbors and fellow citizens. Preventing someone from attending a football game after they've already purchased a ticket is just one of the more mild "solutions" being proposed these days. That's the sort of thing I'm worried about.

Flip side. If people who are healthy enough and eligible to get vaccinated actually would, then community spread would greatly decrease and everyone would be safer. It's the unvaccinated that are making life harder for everyone. Case in point my daughters school is having an emergency board meeting tonight and will probably (hopefully) go virtual for a couple weeks to reset after having about 50 positive cases and over 300 quarantined in the first few two weeks of being back in session. Many of those kids aren't eligible to get vaccinated.

I'm concerned about a populace who can watch hospitals fill up, schools close again and don't want to take any action themselves nor do they want their elected officials to do anything about it. There's something inherently wrong about that. And then you're going to point the finger at the people who do want to take action and say they're the ones that are destroying the social fabric.

edit: Vaccinated people can and have died and ended up in the ICU. Much less likely though. The idea that your choice to not get vaccinated doesn't affect others or the society at large is patently false and should be driven from everyone's heads. Someone shared a picture of their 5 year old cancer patient, sick, feverish and asleep in his car seat while waiting in the parking lot of our local hospital because they couldn't admit him. The hospital is filled with people who chose not to get the vaccine. The mother was PISSED and rightfully so.

What hospital didn’t admit a juvenile for oncology due to Covid admissions?

Roanoke Memorial. It wasn't for oncology, he was just sick and due to his weakened immune system even a cold can become severe. According to the post she was waiting in the parking lot while they tried to figure out what to do with him. It does seem like there would be better places to take him but maybe his Dr told him to go the emergency room. We do have a stand alone emergency room a few miles away that could likely provide fluids and antivirals or whatever else he needed if he didn't need to be admitted overnight.

Emergency rooms overflow regularly with the ebb and flow. This happened long before Covid. They will send people to other emergency rooms.

It will be interesting to see what other schools follow. I think its already clear nobody is forcing the players, who will be face to face, be vaccinated.

Not just emergency rooms, there's a lack of beds and the ICU is full. Every other hospital in the region is in the same situation. And has been for weeks.

Every ICU in the country is designed to operate at percentages approaching full capacity. It’s a $$ loser if it doesn’t and that dog don’t hunt.

Most hospitals have denoted other floors/wings to be able to be quickly converted to ICU’s in the event of mass casualty event, etc. those are the numbers to pay attention to. Regular ICU isn’t.

(08-25-2021 10:05 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Every ICU in the country is designed to operate at percentages approaching full capacity. It’s a $$ loser if it doesn’t and that dog don’t hunt.

Most hospitals have denoted other floors/wings to be able to be quickly converted to ICU’s in the event of mass casualty event, etc. those are the numbers to pay attention to. Regular ICU isn’t.

Yep, from what I've heard from people who work there unless you want to turn the maternity ward into a Covid ward there running out of options.

(08-25-2021 09:54 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 09:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 09:20 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 08:11 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  Flip side. If people who are healthy enough and eligible to get vaccinated actually would, then community spread would greatly decrease and everyone would be safer. It's the unvaccinated that are making life harder for everyone. Case in point my daughters school is having an emergency board meeting tonight and will probably (hopefully) go virtual for a couple weeks to reset after having about 50 positive cases and over 300 quarantined in the first few two weeks of being back in session. Many of those kids aren't eligible to get vaccinated.

I'm concerned about a populace who can watch hospitals fill up, schools close again and don't want to take any action themselves nor do they want their elected officials to do anything about it. There's something inherently wrong about that. And then you're going to point the finger at the people who do want to take action and say they're the ones that are destroying the social fabric.

edit: Vaccinated people can and have died and ended up in the ICU. Much less likely though. The idea that your choice to not get vaccinated doesn't affect others or the society at large is patently false and should be driven from everyone's heads. Someone shared a picture of their 5 year old cancer patient, sick, feverish and asleep in his car seat while waiting in the parking lot of our local hospital because they couldn't admit him. The hospital is filled with people who chose not to get the vaccine. The mother was PISSED and rightfully so.

What hospital didn’t admit a juvenile for oncology due to Covid admissions?

Roanoke Memorial. It wasn't for oncology, he was just sick and due to his weakened immune system even a cold can become severe. According to the post she was waiting in the parking lot while they tried to figure out what to do with him. It does seem like there would be better places to take him but maybe his Dr told him to go the emergency room. We do have a stand alone emergency room a few miles away that could likely provide fluids and antivirals or whatever else he needed if he didn't need to be admitted overnight.

Emergency rooms overflow regularly with the ebb and flow. This happened long before Covid. They will send people to other emergency rooms.

It will be interesting to see what other schools follow. I think its already clear nobody is forcing the players, who will be face to face, be vaccinated.

Not just emergency rooms, there's a lack of beds and the ICU is full. Every other hospital in the region is in the same situation. And has been for weeks.

Sounds to me like government needs to spend more on ICU and emergency room beds. IMO we can't be shutting down schools, making everyone mask up and otherwise disrupt social life with various restrictions every time a disease causes 1 in every 1200 people in a state to be hospitalized. Because right now, politicians and health experts are using "hospital capacity" as a reason to reimpose masking and other restrictions. That, and the never-ending "protect others" motif.

Maybe also mobilize the military to set up triages?

We have to figure this might be an ongoing thing, not necessarily with covid-19 but with other diseases down the road. Terrorists can also observe how you don't need a real Zombie Apocalypse disease, something that actually kills half the population or something, to radically upend our society. We've proven we will react in a way that costs trillions of dollars and make significant social changes to a relatively very mild disease, one that kills about 1 in 250 it infects.

I mean, IIRC, the typical person is about 100 times more likely to experience a case of Covid-19 with no symptoms at all, basically not even know they have it, as to die from it. And yet we've gone through all this the past 18 months.

That's a big societal vulnerability, IMO.

62% with one shot
52% fully vaccinated
12% of the population has tested positive at some point
__% asymptomatic

Kids under 12 (~15-20% of the population) can't get the shots yet but they're basically unaffected.

So when are we at the so-called "herd immunity"?
Seems to me like we just keep moving the goal posts over and over and over again.

The term herd immunity is about as outdated and unused as saying gee willikers.

(08-24-2021 05:44 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:34 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:27 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:58 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Not really. If you want to go and don't get your result back in time, I guess you're SOL?

Not to mention, LSU will play on Saturdays. How many of these labs will be working and reporting results on the weekend?

The test must be taken within 72 hours so you have to get the test on Wednesday at the earliest and hope you get some documentation by Friday afternoon.

By the way, what sort of documentation will be considered acceptable in an environment where thousands of people will be entering a single facility in the span of a few hours?

At best, this is a logistical nightmare.

You could also, ya know, get the vaccine. Then no more worries about football, tests or dying of COVID.

If you got a vaccine why do you care? If the vaccine is available and you chose not to get it why do you care?

Edit - It's really not a vaccine. I got it fwiw.

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I would rather people not die needlessly, but in the context of his point, it's only an inconvenience for the unvaccinated. A person who's had the shot will never have to spend their days before the game getting tested and proving they're negative. They can go into any grocery store, drug store, or doctor's office and get this taken care of in minutes. And (less important than LSU football of course) they probably won't ever show any symptoms and almost certainly won't die if they do. Win-win-win all around, or if they don't like winning, I guess it's burn an afternoon every week ?‍

Unvaccinated people who show symptoms also almost never die.

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If you consider at least 650,000 (and realistically more like a million) dead almost never...

(08-25-2021 12:01 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:44 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:34 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:27 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  You could also, ya know, get the vaccine. Then no more worries about football, tests or dying of COVID.

If you got a vaccine why do you care? If the vaccine is available and you chose not to get it why do you care?

Edit - It's really not a vaccine. I got it fwiw.

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I would rather people not die needlessly, but in the context of his point, it's only an inconvenience for the unvaccinated. A person who's had the shot will never have to spend their days before the game getting tested and proving they're negative. They can go into any grocery store, drug store, or doctor's office and get this taken care of in minutes. And (less important than LSU football of course) they probably won't ever show any symptoms and almost certainly won't die if they do. Win-win-win all around, or if they don't like winning, I guess it's burn an afternoon every week ?‍

Unvaccinated people who show symptoms also almost never die.

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If you consider at least 650,000 (and realistically more like a million) dead almost never...

How good at you at doing math and converting things to percentages?

(08-25-2021 12:02 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-25-2021 12:01 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:44 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:34 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:27 PM)b2b Wrote:  If you got a vaccine why do you care? If the vaccine is available and you chose not to get it why do you care?

Edit - It's really not a vaccine. I got it fwiw.

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I would rather people not die needlessly, but in the context of his point, it's only an inconvenience for the unvaccinated. A person who's had the shot will never have to spend their days before the game getting tested and proving they're negative. They can go into any grocery store, drug store, or doctor's office and get this taken care of in minutes. And (less important than LSU football of course) they probably won't ever show any symptoms and almost certainly won't die if they do. Win-win-win all around, or if they don't like winning, I guess it's burn an afternoon every week ?‍

Unvaccinated people who show symptoms also almost never die.

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If you consider at least 650,000 (and realistically more like a million) dead almost never...

How good at you at doing math and converting things to percentages?

If we're not talking lottery percentages no one can say "almost never". You can say the vaccine almost never kills anyone but not the virus. It was the second leading cause of death last year. Anyone who talks about US casualties and the "human cost" of war can not downplay this virus because we've lost a lot of people. Odds that sound long seem a lot shorter when your life is on the line, yeah? This isn't even accounting for the longhaulers. I know a girl who never went to the hospital but she's had a headache and tinnitus since March.

It’s the reverse lottery if you are pretty much otherwise healthy and you catch Covid and die.

In my county I had only a slightly greater percentage chance of dying from Covid last year as I did of dying from heat stroke.