(08-24-2021 12:49 PM)BigEastMike Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 10:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's an outdoor stadium. Sheesh.

Where everyone is packed in on top of each other like sardines

Where you have a choice to go or not go.

(08-24-2021 03:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  Is this an LSU thing or an interpretation of what the governor is requesting?

That's a good point. Louisiana, despite being a Trump state, currently has a democrat governor who has proven to be pretty liberal, meaning restrictive, with respect to the virus.

We also have a "strong governor" model of government, which basically means, if a governor calls a state institution, they take that call and do what the governor wants.

I don't know if Edwards called LSU and demanded this or not, but it is possible.

(08-24-2021 03:22 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 12:49 PM)BigEastMike Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 10:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's an outdoor stadium. Sheesh.

Where everyone is packed in on top of each other like sardines

Where you have a choice to go or not go.

Still do

(08-24-2021 03:33 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:22 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 12:49 PM)BigEastMike Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 10:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's an outdoor stadium. Sheesh.

Where everyone is packed in on top of each other like sardines

Where you have a choice to go or not go.

Still do

Not really. If you want to go and don't get your result back in time, I guess you're SOL?

Not to mention, LSU will play on Saturdays. How many of these labs will be working and reporting results on the weekend?

The test must be taken within 72 hours so you have to get the test on Wednesday at the earliest and hope you get some documentation by Friday afternoon.

By the way, what sort of documentation will be considered acceptable in an environment where thousands of people will be entering a single facility in the span of a few hours?

At best, this is a logistical nightmare.

(08-24-2021 03:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 01:56 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 01:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 01:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 01:15 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  The PCR test requirement is the problem. If you suddenly have thousands of extra PCR tests to run then you won't get results back in 72 hours. You will also be flooding your test facilities with people wanting a test for no reason other than they want to go to a football game. That is a terrible unintended wasteful consequence of an order.

They should just say you have to be vaccinated to go (or drop the requirement altogether). PCR or serologic testing for a FOOTBALL game is a waste of resources. We have also been told that vaccinated people can carry and spread the virus so why not require them to be tested as well? Well, that would be just as ridiculous.

Hopefully the hassle encourages people to get vaccinated, which is the long term answer.

You should get up to date on the declining effectiveness of the vaccines.

I am up-to-date. And they are still extremely effective against hospitalization or death - still 99% of hopitalizations and deaths are among the unvaccinated.

Lies, damned lies and statistics. Its only so high if you include data from the first two months of vaccinations. I'm pro vaxx, but I'm opposed to the lies the media and government are putting out as to how effective it is. Most hospitalizations in Israel are among the vaccinated. But then Israel has a real high vaccination rate, so the rate of hospitalization is much lower.

What are the true numbers and where can we find them?

Thanks

(08-24-2021 11:51 AM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  You are also requiring a PCR test for presumably asymptomatic people. That is not consistent with the testing algorithm.

Depending on demand, that test may take more than 3 days to get results which would not fit the requirements for entry regardless.

Finally, you will be inundating the local health facilities with thousands of people wanting a test when they have no symptoms. A complete waste of resources. They should just require a vaccine or do nothing. If you want to motivate country folk to get vaccinated then make it a requirement to get into the stadium.

That's a good point. We're going to have a lot people getting tested just to go to a football game.

That's a dumb situation.

(08-24-2021 04:58 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:33 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:22 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 12:49 PM)BigEastMike Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 10:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's an outdoor stadium. Sheesh.

Where everyone is packed in on top of each other like sardines

Where you have a choice to go or not go.

Still do

Not really. If you want to go and don't get your result back in time, I guess you're SOL?

Not to mention, LSU will play on Saturdays. How many of these labs will be working and reporting results on the weekend?

The test must be taken within 72 hours so you have to get the test on Wednesday at the earliest and hope you get some documentation by Friday afternoon.

By the way, what sort of documentation will be considered acceptable in an environment where thousands of people will be entering a single facility in the span of a few hours?

At best, this is a logistical nightmare.

You could also, ya know, get the vaccine. Then no more worries about football, tests or dying of COVID.

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:58 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:33 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:22 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 12:49 PM)BigEastMike Wrote:  Where everyone is packed in on top of each other like sardines

Where you have a choice to go or not go.

Still do

Not really. If you want to go and don't get your result back in time, I guess you're SOL?

Not to mention, LSU will play on Saturdays. How many of these labs will be working and reporting results on the weekend?

The test must be taken within 72 hours so you have to get the test on Wednesday at the earliest and hope you get some documentation by Friday afternoon.

By the way, what sort of documentation will be considered acceptable in an environment where thousands of people will be entering a single facility in the span of a few hours?

At best, this is a logistical nightmare.

You could also, ya know, get the vaccine. Then no more worries about football, tests or dying of COVID.

If you got a vaccine why do you care? If the vaccine is available and you chose not to get it why do you care?

Edit - It's really not a vaccine. I got it fwiw.

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(08-24-2021 05:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 11:51 AM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  You are also requiring a PCR test for presumably asymptomatic people. That is not consistent with the testing algorithm.

Depending on demand, that test may take more than 3 days to get results which would not fit the requirements for entry regardless.

Finally, you will be inundating the local health facilities with thousands of people wanting a test when they have no symptoms. A complete waste of resources. They should just require a vaccine or do nothing. If you want to motivate country folk to get vaccinated then make it a requirement to get into the stadium.

That's a good point. We're going to have a lot people getting tested just to go to a football game.

That's a dumb situation.

A lot of people will also get vaccinated. Reducing hospitalizations and deaths.

I’ve had PCR tests, antibody test and vaccine…at least the vaccine provides protection.

(08-24-2021 05:27 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:58 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:33 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:22 PM)b2b Wrote:  Where you have a choice to go or not go.

Still do

Not really. If you want to go and don't get your result back in time, I guess you're SOL?

Not to mention, LSU will play on Saturdays. How many of these labs will be working and reporting results on the weekend?

The test must be taken within 72 hours so you have to get the test on Wednesday at the earliest and hope you get some documentation by Friday afternoon.

By the way, what sort of documentation will be considered acceptable in an environment where thousands of people will be entering a single facility in the span of a few hours?

At best, this is a logistical nightmare.

You could also, ya know, get the vaccine. Then no more worries about football, tests or dying of COVID.

If you got a vaccine why do you care? If the vaccine is available and you chose not to get it why do you care?

Edit - It's really not a vaccine. I got it fwiw.

Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk

I would rather people not die needlessly, but in the context of his point, it's only an inconvenience for the unvaccinated. A person who's had the shot will never have to spend their days before the game getting tested and proving they're negative. They can go into any grocery store, drug store, or doctor's office and get this taken care of in minutes. And (less important than LSU football of course) they probably won't ever show any symptoms and almost certainly won't die if they do. Win-win-win all around, or if they don't like winning, I guess it's burn an afternoon every week ?‍♂️

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:58 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:33 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:22 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 12:49 PM)BigEastMike Wrote:  Where everyone is packed in on top of each other like sardines

Where you have a choice to go or not go.

Still do

Not really. If you want to go and don't get your result back in time, I guess you're SOL?

Not to mention, LSU will play on Saturdays. How many of these labs will be working and reporting results on the weekend?

The test must be taken within 72 hours so you have to get the test on Wednesday at the earliest and hope you get some documentation by Friday afternoon.

By the way, what sort of documentation will be considered acceptable in an environment where thousands of people will be entering a single facility in the span of a few hours?

At best, this is a logistical nightmare.

You could also, ya know, get the vaccine. Then no more worries about football, tests or dying of COVID.

A vaccinated individual cannot die of COVID? So there could never be a need to send a vaccinated individual to the ICU, correct?

Actually, what I'm worried about is the dissolution of our social fabric. The pressure to conform being one aspect, but it's alarming just how many people are perfectly fine with making life difficult for their neighbors and fellow citizens. Preventing someone from attending a football game after they've already purchased a ticket is just one of the more mild "solutions" being proposed these days. That's the sort of thing I'm worried about.

(08-24-2021 05:34 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:27 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:58 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:33 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Still do

Not really. If you want to go and don't get your result back in time, I guess you're SOL?

Not to mention, LSU will play on Saturdays. How many of these labs will be working and reporting results on the weekend?

The test must be taken within 72 hours so you have to get the test on Wednesday at the earliest and hope you get some documentation by Friday afternoon.

By the way, what sort of documentation will be considered acceptable in an environment where thousands of people will be entering a single facility in the span of a few hours?

At best, this is a logistical nightmare.

You could also, ya know, get the vaccine. Then no more worries about football, tests or dying of COVID.

If you got a vaccine why do you care? If the vaccine is available and you chose not to get it why do you care?

Edit - It's really not a vaccine. I got it fwiw.

Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk

I would rather people not die needlessly, but in the context of his point, it's only an inconvenience for the unvaccinated. A person who's had the shot will never have to spend their days before the game getting tested and proving they're negative. They can go into any grocery store, drug store, or doctor's office and get this taken care of in minutes. And (less important than LSU football of course) they probably won't ever show any symptoms and almost certainly won't die if they do. Win-win-win all around, or if they don't like winning, I guess it's burn an afternoon every week ?‍

Unvaccinated people who show symptoms also almost never die.

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(08-24-2021 05:40 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:58 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:33 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:22 PM)b2b Wrote:  Where you have a choice to go or not go.

Still do

Not really. If you want to go and don't get your result back in time, I guess you're SOL?

Not to mention, LSU will play on Saturdays. How many of these labs will be working and reporting results on the weekend?

The test must be taken within 72 hours so you have to get the test on Wednesday at the earliest and hope you get some documentation by Friday afternoon.

By the way, what sort of documentation will be considered acceptable in an environment where thousands of people will be entering a single facility in the span of a few hours?

At best, this is a logistical nightmare.

You could also, ya know, get the vaccine. Then no more worries about football, tests or dying of COVID.

A vaccinated individual cannot die of COVID? So there could never be a need to send a vaccinated individual to the ICU, correct?

Actually, what I'm worried about is the dissolution of our social fabric. The pressure to conform being one aspect, but it's alarming just how many people are perfectly fine with making life difficult for their neighbors and fellow citizens. Preventing someone from attending a football game after they've already purchased a ticket is just one of the more mild "solutions" being proposed these days. That's the sort of thing I'm worried about.

Not literally impossible, but close to it. I think you know that and just wanted a gotcha.

No one has an unalienable right to attend a football game. It is very gracious of LSU to even give the unvaccinated an option to show a negative test - they could justifiably require vaccination and leave it at that.

The only people remotely inconvenienced by this are those refusing vaccination, which they have the right to make that choice but they don't have the right to be free from any consequences of that choice.

(08-24-2021 05:44 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:34 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:27 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:58 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Not really. If you want to go and don't get your result back in time, I guess you're SOL?

Not to mention, LSU will play on Saturdays. How many of these labs will be working and reporting results on the weekend?

The test must be taken within 72 hours so you have to get the test on Wednesday at the earliest and hope you get some documentation by Friday afternoon.

By the way, what sort of documentation will be considered acceptable in an environment where thousands of people will be entering a single facility in the span of a few hours?

At best, this is a logistical nightmare.

You could also, ya know, get the vaccine. Then no more worries about football, tests or dying of COVID.

If you got a vaccine why do you care? If the vaccine is available and you chose not to get it why do you care?

Edit - It's really not a vaccine. I got it fwiw.

Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk

I would rather people not die needlessly, but in the context of his point, it's only an inconvenience for the unvaccinated. A person who's had the shot will never have to spend their days before the game getting tested and proving they're negative. They can go into any grocery store, drug store, or doctor's office and get this taken care of in minutes. And (less important than LSU football of course) they probably won't ever show any symptoms and almost certainly won't die if they do. Win-win-win all around, or if they don't like winning, I guess it's burn an afternoon every week ?‍

Unvaccinated people who show symptoms also almost never die.

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And yet all "almost nevers" aren't equivalent are they?

(08-24-2021 05:30 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 11:51 AM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  You are also requiring a PCR test for presumably asymptomatic people. That is not consistent with the testing algorithm.

Depending on demand, that test may take more than 3 days to get results which would not fit the requirements for entry regardless.

Finally, you will be inundating the local health facilities with thousands of people wanting a test when they have no symptoms. A complete waste of resources. They should just require a vaccine or do nothing. If you want to motivate country folk to get vaccinated then make it a requirement to get into the stadium.

That's a good point. We're going to have a lot people getting tested just to go to a football game.

That's a dumb situation.

A lot of people will also get vaccinated. Reducing hospitalizations and deaths.

I’ve had PCR tests, antibody test and vaccine…at least the vaccine provides protection.

I'm not sure many will be vaccinated. They will get tested so they can go to the game, imo.

(08-24-2021 06:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:30 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 11:51 AM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  You are also requiring a PCR test for presumably asymptomatic people. That is not consistent with the testing algorithm.

Depending on demand, that test may take more than 3 days to get results which would not fit the requirements for entry regardless.

Finally, you will be inundating the local health facilities with thousands of people wanting a test when they have no symptoms. A complete waste of resources. They should just require a vaccine or do nothing. If you want to motivate country folk to get vaccinated then make it a requirement to get into the stadium.

That's a good point. We're going to have a lot people getting tested just to go to a football game.

That's a dumb situation.

A lot of people will also get vaccinated. Reducing hospitalizations and deaths.

I’ve had PCR tests, antibody test and vaccine…at least the vaccine provides protection.

I'm not sure many will be vaccinated. They will get tested so they can go to the game, imo.

It depends if they're actually antivaxx conspiracists or just haven't bothered. The second group will probably mostly get the shot.

Will my ivermectin receipt be ok?

(08-24-2021 05:40 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Actually, what I'm worried about is the dissolution of our social fabric. The pressure to conform being one aspect, but it's alarming just how many people are perfectly fine with making life difficult for their neighbors and fellow citizens. Preventing someone from attending a football game after they've already purchased a ticket is just one of the more mild "solutions" being proposed these days. That's the sort of thing I'm worried about.

What about making life difficult for your neighbors by taking up all the beds in the ICU because you didn't want to get the shot? I'm not worried about having to go to the hospital from COVID, because i got the shot. I *am* worried about not having ICU access if I say, get hit by a car, or need surgery for something completely different.

As much as we'd like to pretend they don't, our public health decisions....impact other people.

(08-24-2021 05:48 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:40 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 05:19 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 04:58 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:33 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Still do

Not really. If you want to go and don't get your result back in time, I guess you're SOL?

Not to mention, LSU will play on Saturdays. How many of these labs will be working and reporting results on the weekend?

The test must be taken within 72 hours so you have to get the test on Wednesday at the earliest and hope you get some documentation by Friday afternoon.

By the way, what sort of documentation will be considered acceptable in an environment where thousands of people will be entering a single facility in the span of a few hours?

At best, this is a logistical nightmare.

You could also, ya know, get the vaccine. Then no more worries about football, tests or dying of COVID.

A vaccinated individual cannot die of COVID? So there could never be a need to send a vaccinated individual to the ICU, correct?

Actually, what I'm worried about is the dissolution of our social fabric. The pressure to conform being one aspect, but it's alarming just how many people are perfectly fine with making life difficult for their neighbors and fellow citizens. Preventing someone from attending a football game after they've already purchased a ticket is just one of the more mild "solutions" being proposed these days. That's the sort of thing I'm worried about.

Not literally impossible, but close to it. I think you know that and just wanted a gotcha.

No one has an unalienable right to attend a football game. It is very gracious of LSU to even give the unvaccinated an option to show a negative test - they could justifiably require vaccination and leave it at that.

The only people remotely inconvenienced by this are those refusing vaccination, which they have the right to make that choice but they don't have the right to be free from any consequences of that choice.

I tend to take people at their word unless they give me reason not to.

I didn't say anyone had an unalienable right to attend a football game, but that wasn't the point. There are plenty of hoops people have to jump through to be allowed into a stadium that they don't own.

I said my concern was over the willingness of so many to make life difficult for people who have made different decisions. Let's not pretend barring someone from a football game because of their medical decisions is the most extreme thing on the table right now.

BTW, it's not an inconvenience. It's a tactical decision to portray a peaceful citizen as a threat. It's a psychological suggestion to the population at large and a punishment for the target unless they conform. It's ethically questionable at best.

My only hope is that LSU is willing to refund already purchased tickets. If they are not then we add theft to the list.

(08-24-2021 05:08 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 03:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 01:56 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 01:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 01:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Hopefully the hassle encourages people to get vaccinated, which is the long term answer.

You should get up to date on the declining effectiveness of the vaccines.

I am up-to-date. And they are still extremely effective against hospitalization or death - still 99% of hopitalizations and deaths are among the unvaccinated.

Lies, damned lies and statistics. Its only so high if you include data from the first two months of vaccinations. I'm pro vaxx, but I'm opposed to the lies the media and government are putting out as to how effective it is. Most hospitalizations in Israel are among the vaccinated. But then Israel has a real high vaccination rate, so the rate of hospitalization is much lower.

What are the true numbers and where can we find them?

Thanks

Here's a thread from the Spin Room.
https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-927516.html