It seems pretty simple really. The SEC adds Kansas and Iowa State at pro rata as covered by ESPN. The ACC adds TCU and Baylor along with West Virginia for a bump.

That's 36 schools with which to break the alliances numbers. ESPN gives the ACC a modest raise. Then ESPN does the same for the PAC which adds OSU, KSU, and TTU and a team out West (SDSt?).

ND remains a partial in the ACC.

ESPN now has 37 votes and the PAC / Big 10 has 30.

But after today's recommendation from the alliance for a 16 member CFP maybe ESPN doesn't have anything to fear but an open market bid on the playoffs. If that is a concern then placing all B12 schools, controlling the majority of votes and moving UT and OU early seems like the way to go. Which schools go where doesn't matter as much as placing them all.

If ESPN wanted to get this thing wrapped up in time for CFB next year, it would seem to make sense.

The SEC definitely doesn't need any help in Texas and Oklahoma but the PAC & ACC could for carriage of their networks and the SEC still gains two new states.

By the ACC & PAC Networks getting carriage in Texas, the cost of adding those teams is partially funded by the conference networks and not T1 & T2 increases. I also think this at least makes a step towards trying to keep a "national interest" in CFB.

I would think the PAC would want to add Houston in this situation.

The Alliance Dilemma is solved by ESPN paying more to the ACC, thereby getting the ACC votes.

A solution with a problem.

Yes the Alliance has more votes, but so what? The SEC is strong enough to do what it wants on its own.

(08-29-2021 07:47 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  A solution with a problem.

Yes the Alliance has more votes, but so what? The SEC is strong enough to do what it wants on its own.

And the SEC can just go take that strength and host its own National Championship game on ESPN between two members of its own 16-team conference. Should really be a big draw. While poor ole FOX can just carry its own National Championship game from 2 members of a 41-team/3-conference alliance.

(08-29-2021 11:23 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 07:47 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  A solution with a problem.

Yes the Alliance has more votes, but so what? The SEC is strong enough to do what it wants on its own.

And the SEC can just go take that strength and host its own National Championship game on ESPN between two members of its own 16-team conference. Should really be a big draw. While poor ole FOX can just carry its own National Championship game from 2 members of a 41-team/3-conference alliance.

The alliance is on life support. Kliavkoff apologized to Sankey and issued a statement which Wilner issued yesterday and which FOX covered. Kliavoff offered a scheduling arrangement with the SEC and is angling for the Sugar Bowl contract.

I'd say he realizes no FAANG company is coming to rescue the PAC and he's sucking up to ESPN.

And since this got play on Finebaum the day before it happened I'd say ESPN has an interest and no way in hell is that good for the ACC.

The collusion lawsuit threat from the Alston lawyers nailed the real reason for the alliance as they were pushing the idea that with enough House representation they could get a Bill passed capping NIL. Blaming the SEC for taking UT and OU was just a smoke screen for trying to save the NCAA and a modified form of amateurism. That's called hypocrisy!

When all of this comes out it's the B1G and ACC that will be sucking wind reputation wise with recruits who realize that they were attempting to limit their payday.

Right now the ACC is in danger of losing SEC cooperation and ESPN's interest. When ESPN has had enough they'll park the pieces they want to keep in the SEC and let the wind take the rest. And 15 years isn't much time to a network.

(08-29-2021 11:33 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 11:23 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 07:47 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  A solution with a problem.

Yes the Alliance has more votes, but so what? The SEC is strong enough to do what it wants on its own.

And the SEC can just go take that strength and host its own National Championship game on ESPN between two members of its own 16-team conference. Should really be a big draw. While poor ole FOX can just carry its own National Championship game from 2 members of a 41-team/3-conference alliance.

The alliance is on life support. Kliavkoff apologized to Sankey and issued a statement which Wilner issued yesterday and which FOX covered. Kliavoff offered a scheduling arrangement with the SEC and is angling for the Sugar Bowl contract.

I'd say he realizes no FAANG company is coming to rescue the PAC and he's sucking up to ESPN.

And since this got play on Finebaum the day before it happened I'd say ESPN has an interest and no way in hell is that good for the ACC.

The collusion lawsuit threat from the Alston lawyers nailed the real reason for the alliance as they were pushing the idea that with enough House representation they could get a Bill passed capping NIL. Blaming the SEC for taking UT and OU was just a smoke screen for trying to save the NCAA and a modified form of amateurism. That's called hypocrisy!

When all of this comes out it's the B1G and ACC that will be sucking wind reputation wise with recruits who realize that they were attempting to limit their payday.

Right now the ACC is in danger of losing SEC cooperation and ESPN's interest. When ESPN has had enough they'll park the pieces they want to keep in the SEC and let the wind take the rest. And 15 years isn't much time to a network.

Interesting about the PAC-12 and the Sugar Bowl. I would say that would go over pretty well. Obviously the PAC would send it's 1 to the Rose, so we would at best be 2. Is SEC 1 versus PAC 2 worthwhile? Maybe put in a setup like we currently have with the Orange... It's ACC versus Big 10/SEC/ND based on who is higher ranked and considering the guaranteed numbers of appearances.

So maybe PAC in Sugar if their number 2 is ranked 16th or higher?

(I say this not knowing what playoff expansion might do to these bowls)

(08-30-2021 08:37 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 11:33 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 11:23 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 07:47 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  A solution with a problem.

Yes the Alliance has more votes, but so what? The SEC is strong enough to do what it wants on its own.

And the SEC can just go take that strength and host its own National Championship game on ESPN between two members of its own 16-team conference. Should really be a big draw. While poor ole FOX can just carry its own National Championship game from 2 members of a 41-team/3-conference alliance.

The alliance is on life support. Kliavkoff apologized to Sankey and issued a statement which Wilner issued yesterday and which FOX covered. Kliavoff offered a scheduling arrangement with the SEC and is angling for the Sugar Bowl contract.

I'd say he realizes no FAANG company is coming to rescue the PAC and he's sucking up to ESPN.

And since this got play on Finebaum the day before it happened I'd say ESPN has an interest and no way in hell is that good for the ACC.

The collusion lawsuit threat from the Alston lawyers nailed the real reason for the alliance as they were pushing the idea that with enough House representation they could get a Bill passed capping NIL. Blaming the SEC for taking UT and OU was just a smoke screen for trying to save the NCAA and a modified form of amateurism. That's called hypocrisy!

When all of this comes out it's the B1G and ACC that will be sucking wind reputation wise with recruits who realize that they were attempting to limit their payday.

Right now the ACC is in danger of losing SEC cooperation and ESPN's interest. When ESPN has had enough they'll park the pieces they want to keep in the SEC and let the wind take the rest. And 15 years isn't much time to a network.

Interesting about the PAC-12 and the Sugar Bowl. I would say that would go over pretty well. Obviously the PAC would send it's 1 to the Rose, so we would at best be 2. Is SEC 1 versus PAC 2 worthwhile? Maybe put in a setup like we currently have with the Orange... It's ACC versus Big 10/SEC/ND based on who is higher ranked and considering the guaranteed numbers of appearances.

So maybe PAC in Sugar if their number 2 is ranked 16th or higher?

(I say this not knowing what playoff expansion might do to these bowls)

Hopefully, someone very soon realizes bowl games are pathetic! Post-season exhibition games is a horrible idea. Go to a 24 team playoff like FCS and be done with them.

I don't think CFB is in a very good status right now. Its a sport that is more about engineering outcomes and matchups and having talking heads tell us who to play where, or who deserves to play in a CFP instead of teams playing their way in. The sport has CCG's that means something for some teams and other teams doesn't. I grew up and reside in a college football state but give me the NFL. I will watch the two teams from my state but won't have anything to do with the national product. Which is sad because if it was ran like a true sport and teams played their way into a playoffs and there wasn't an attempt to have a caste system in CFB I would watch as many games as are on tv.