Will FSU bring enough to make an invite to the B1G or SEC revenue neutral?

Throw in exit fees to leave...you just might be stuck with us peons.

(08-23-2021 02:38 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Will FSU bring enough to make an invite to the B1G or SEC revenue neutral?

Throw in exit fees to leave...you just might be stuck with us peons.

Whatever happens to FSU, who knows.

What I do know is, no conference will survive with a $30-$40 million revenue gap. THAT is everything for the PAC, ACC and what's left of Big 12. That's the only thing. Does the P2 grow beyond 32 (or whatever it is), does it grow, who knows.

But nobody will be a player in the future at those revenue gaps. There will be a tier 1 and then everyone else.

(08-23-2021 02:09 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 01:54 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 01:27 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 09:57 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  People don't realize how big this is. It will add $8M-$10M per School. ACC will solidly be in 3rd for Conference Revenue.

Most cost estimates I have seen have it at $3-$5 million.

But let's say it's $10. That would be the ACC at $42 million a year.

SEC with expansion and new contract is going somewhere from $45 million to roughly $80 million.

B1G has new contract coming to go from $54 million to roughly $75 Million

PAC 12 is irrelevant but have a new contract coming that will push them higher also.




Being $30-$40 million behind the P2 is not good enough to save the ACC. Simple as that.

Being unable to fill your own stadium past 80% capacity is not good enough to save FSU.

Regardless of what FSU's capacity is or isn't......ACC won't survive with that revenue gap. Your post, like much of the ACC's position's and actions, refuse to address the actual issues and lashes out emotionally.....but truly serves no purpose.

Everyone gets that closing the gap is important, even before the 100th time you've posted about it. Maximizing the network revenue is part of that. But predicable as a clock, and as obviously emotional as any poster, you show up to sh** all over an unarguably good development by screaming about how inadequate and terrible everything is, including employing false comparisons of the ACC distribution averages from its 2019-2020 tax filings to estimated SEC and Big Ten payouts three and four years into the future.

But then, you are the same individual that did not buy that there would ever be an ACC Network, and if it did, doubted there would ever be significant revenue, and that it would "will look like a shadow of the SEC network." You seem to conveniently and emotionally ignore what the ACC has done to "address" issues. The ACCN has been a win, but you appear unwilling to allow for the obvious. Everyone clearly understands that you hate the ACC and have a hardon for the SEC, but the ACC is not the cause of your athletic administration blowing up your football program, and no amount of conference revenue will fix the terrible coaching decisions that have been made there.

(08-23-2021 02:43 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 02:09 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 01:54 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 01:27 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 09:57 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  People don't realize how big this is. It will add $8M-$10M per School. ACC will solidly be in 3rd for Conference Revenue.

Most cost estimates I have seen have it at $3-$5 million.

But let's say it's $10. That would be the ACC at $42 million a year.

SEC with expansion and new contract is going somewhere from $45 million to roughly $80 million.

B1G has new contract coming to go from $54 million to roughly $75 Million

PAC 12 is irrelevant but have a new contract coming that will push them higher also.




Being $30-$40 million behind the P2 is not good enough to save the ACC. Simple as that.

Being unable to fill your own stadium past 80% capacity is not good enough to save FSU.

Regardless of what FSU's capacity is or isn't......ACC won't survive with that revenue gap. Your post, like much of the ACC's position's and actions, refuse to address the actual issues and lashes out emotionally.....but truly serves no purpose.

Everyone gets that closing the gap is important, even before the 100th time you've posted about it. Maximizing the network revenue is part of that. But predicable as a clock, and as obviously emotional as any poster, you show up to sh** all over an unarguably good development by screaming about how inadequate and terrible everything is, including employing false comparisons of the ACC distribution averages from its 2019-2020 tax filings to estimated SEC and Big Ten payouts three and four years into the future.

But then, you are the same individual that did not buy that there would ever be an ACC Network, and if it did, doubted there would ever be significant revenue, and that it would "will look like a shadow of the SEC network." You seem to conveniently and emotionally ignore what the ACC has done to "address" issues. The ACCN has been a win, but you appear unwilling to allow for the obvious. Everyone clearly understands that you hate the ACC and have a hardon for the SEC, but the ACC is not the cause of your athletic administration blowing up your football program, and no amount of conference revenue will fix the terrible coaching decisions that have been made there.

Mike F'ing Drop. Wow.

(08-23-2021 02:43 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 02:09 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 01:54 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 01:27 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 09:57 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  People don't realize how big this is. It will add $8M-$10M per School. ACC will solidly be in 3rd for Conference Revenue.

Most cost estimates I have seen have it at $3-$5 million.

But let's say it's $10. That would be the ACC at $42 million a year.

SEC with expansion and new contract is going somewhere from $45 million to roughly $80 million.

B1G has new contract coming to go from $54 million to roughly $75 Million

PAC 12 is irrelevant but have a new contract coming that will push them higher also.




Being $30-$40 million behind the P2 is not good enough to save the ACC. Simple as that.

Being unable to fill your own stadium past 80% capacity is not good enough to save FSU.

Regardless of what FSU's capacity is or isn't......ACC won't survive with that revenue gap. Your post, like much of the ACC's position's and actions, refuse to address the actual issues and lashes out emotionally.....but truly serves no purpose.

Everyone gets that closing the gap is important, even before the 100th time you've posted about it. Maximizing the network revenue is part of that. But predicable as a clock, and as obviously emotional as any poster, you show up to sh** all over an unarguably good development by screaming about how inadequate and terrible everything is, including employing false comparisons of the ACC distribution averages from its 2019-2020 tax filings to estimated SEC and Big Ten payouts three and four years into the future.

But then, you are the same individual that did not buy that there would ever be an ACC Network, and if it did, doubted there would ever be significant revenue, and that it would "will look like a shadow of the SEC network." You seem to conveniently and emotionally ignore what the ACC has done to "address" issues. The ACCN has been a win, but you appear unwilling to allow for the obvious. Everyone clearly understands that you hate the ACC and have a hardon for the SEC, but the ACC is not the cause of your athletic administration blowing up your football program, and no amount of conference revenue will fix the terrible coaching decisions that have been made there.

I actually claimed the revenue gap would exceed $10 million when most doubted that. I was right.

I claimed ND wasn't joining the ACC in football when the narrative was they were. I was right about that also.

ACCN is a shadow of the SECN based on content alone. SEC is big time sponsors and football. ACC is small time sponsors and women's lacross updates the day after the NFL draft.

I get you are upset....I don't hate the ACC. I was hoping, for years, Swofford would stop damaging the ACC so the conference could be viable long term. I just believe the ACC has made mistakes that were likely too much to overcome. The ACC has been very slow, if flat out never....understanding that revenue was always it's #1 issue. I was right on that while the ACC was just kind of casually interested in that.

Again, mistakes FSU has made....don't have anything to do with conferences that will struggle to survive with $30-$40 million revenue gaps. That's emotional lashing out....I get it, folks are angry, but it's just a financial reality...not something to be upset about.

The ACCN revenue will exceed the SECN revenue. The ACC is in much bigger markets. The gap will be in the national tv contract. It will not be as big as you are claiming.


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The ACCN is starting up on the Cincinnati Bell Fioptics package effective 9/1. Congrats

https://tvanswerman.com/2021/08/23/comca...twork-yet/

This update is not as optimistic on Comcast having a done deal. Comcast stating that there is no deal and the ACCN transmission yesterday was an error.

(08-23-2021 02:31 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 02:28 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 02:09 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 01:54 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 01:27 PM)nole Wrote:  Most cost estimates I have seen have it at $3-$5 million.

But let's say it's $10. That would be the ACC at $42 million a year.

SEC with expansion and new contract is going somewhere from $45 million to roughly $80 million.

B1G has new contract coming to go from $54 million to roughly $75 Million

PAC 12 is irrelevant but have a new contract coming that will push them higher also.




Being $30-$40 million behind the P2 is not good enough to save the ACC. Simple as that.

Being unable to fill your own stadium past 80% capacity is not good enough to save FSU.

Regardless of what FSU's capacity is or isn't......ACC won't survive with that revenue gap. Your post, like much of the ACC's position's and actions, refuse to address the actual issues and lashes out emotionally.....but truly serves no purpose.

A lot of FSU fans here seek to blame the ACC for FSU's failures.

Here is your attendance over the last decade:

2010 - 86%
2011 - 93%
2012 - 91%
2013 - 91 %
2014 - 99 %
2015 - 88%
2016 - 97% (You reduced capacity 4K seats)
2017 - 90 %
2018 - 86 %
2019 - 69%

You have averaged 11% under capacity the last decade - that's 610K fans.

The fact of the matter is you overbuilt Doak to the tune of about 10% and you can only fill those seats when FSU is spectacular and the opponent is an equally spectacular, Oklahoma, Miami, Florida, or Clemson.

Let's not forget what the ACC gave up inviting you to join back in 1990 when you were at your peak. Your entry into the league cut off Clemson, UVa, NC State, UNC, and GT at a time when multiples of each school were ranked in the top 15. The one extra loss prevented these other schools from appearances in the Orange Bowl, or playing for the National Title. FSU didn't save the ACC, FSU stunted the ACC as it was on the precipice of finally fully recovering from the 800 SAT rule.

It's tiresome to hear FSU fans whine.

The conversation wasn't about FSU. It was about the economic changes from adding Comcast and the overall revenue gap.

For some reason you pivoted to FSU. FSU isn't the issue.

A revenue gap of $30 - $40 million for the ACC will end it. Just reality. Doesn't matter about FSU and what FSU did.

1. My understaning is that this thread is about adding Comcast. I am not sure why you brought up the revenue gap issue. Maybe that’s something you are preoccupied with?

2. The revenue gap is here to stay. I understand.

3. But the ACC is here to stay as well. And yes, that means FSU is not going anywhere.

(08-23-2021 04:49 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  https://tvanswerman.com/2021/08/23/comca...twork-yet/

This update is not as optimistic on Comcast having a done deal. Comcast stating that there is no deal and the ACCN transmission yesterday was an error.

I thought it may have been some type of signal testing that was accidentally discovered by viewers. So, it is unfortunate to hear that it was initiated on Disney's side and not by Comcast. However, I still think we see this deal happen. It just depends on if it happens by the end of August, by the end of September, or by the end of the calendar year.

We'll probably start to see some mud slinging soon if the negotiations drag out until the end of the current contract.

(08-23-2021 03:26 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 02:43 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 02:09 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 01:54 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 01:27 PM)nole Wrote:  Most cost estimates I have seen have it at $3-$5 million.

But let's say it's $10. That would be the ACC at $42 million a year.

SEC with expansion and new contract is going somewhere from $45 million to roughly $80 million.

B1G has new contract coming to go from $54 million to roughly $75 Million

PAC 12 is irrelevant but have a new contract coming that will push them higher also.




Being $30-$40 million behind the P2 is not good enough to save the ACC. Simple as that.

Being unable to fill your own stadium past 80% capacity is not good enough to save FSU.

Regardless of what FSU's capacity is or isn't......ACC won't survive with that revenue gap. Your post, like much of the ACC's position's and actions, refuse to address the actual issues and lashes out emotionally.....but truly serves no purpose.

Everyone gets that closing the gap is important, even before the 100th time you've posted about it. Maximizing the network revenue is part of that. But predicable as a clock, and as obviously emotional as any poster, you show up to sh** all over an unarguably good development by screaming about how inadequate and terrible everything is, including employing false comparisons of the ACC distribution averages from its 2019-2020 tax filings to estimated SEC and Big Ten payouts three and four years into the future.

But then, you are the same individual that did not buy that there would ever be an ACC Network, and if it did, doubted there would ever be significant revenue, and that it would "will look like a shadow of the SEC network." You seem to conveniently and emotionally ignore what the ACC has done to "address" issues. The ACCN has been a win, but you appear unwilling to allow for the obvious. Everyone clearly understands that you hate the ACC and have a hardon for the SEC, but the ACC is not the cause of your athletic administration blowing up your football program, and no amount of conference revenue will fix the terrible coaching decisions that have been made there.

I actually claimed the revenue gap would exceed $10 million when most doubted that. I was right.

I claimed ND wasn't joining the ACC in football when the narrative was they were. I was right about that also.

ACCN is a shadow of the SECN based on content alone. SEC is big time sponsors and football. ACC is small time sponsors and women's lacross updates the day after the NFL draft.

I get you are upset....I don't hate the ACC. I was hoping, for years, Swofford would stop damaging the ACC so the conference could be viable long term. I just believe the ACC has made mistakes that were likely too much to overcome. The ACC has been very slow, if flat out never....understanding that revenue was always it's #1 issue. I was right on that while the ACC was just kind of casually interested in that.

Again, mistakes FSU has made....don't have anything to do with conferences that will struggle to survive with $30-$40 million revenue gaps. That's emotional lashing out....I get it, folks are angry, but it's just a financial reality...not something to be upset about.

LMFAO. That may be the closest thing to a positive statement about the conference that I have seen in 8 years of your posts: "I don't hate the ACC."

No one is upset but you.

(08-23-2021 05:47 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 04:49 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  https://tvanswerman.com/2021/08/23/comca...twork-yet/

This update is not as optimistic on Comcast having a done deal. Comcast stating that there is no deal and the ACCN transmission yesterday was an error.

I thought it may have been some type of signal testing that was accidentally discovered by viewers. So, it is unfortunate to hear that it was initiated on Disney's side and not by Comcast. However, I still think we see this deal happen. It just depends on if it happens by the end of August, by the end of September, or by the end of the calendar year.

We'll probably start to see some mud slinging soon if the negotiations drag out until the end of the current contract.

The level of excitement shown by fans can do nothing but help the ACCN's argument, I think.

As for revenue, the ACC's fiscal year (if I understand it: July-June) is 1/6th over already, so even if Comcast were to sign up for the ACCN effective September 1st, fees would be 1/6th less than a full year.

(08-23-2021 07:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The level of excitement shown by fans can do nothing but help the ACCN's argument, I think.

If you put on your tin foil hat, you have to wonder how much of an accident it was.

Let's harken back to the 80's and 90's...


Miami - feared across the land and in play for championships

FSU - feared across the land and in play for championships

Syracuse - for a good 10/11 year period Syracuse was a perennial top-25

Georgia Tech, Virginia ...


Where are they now I ask?

Don't ask what your conference can do for you, ask what YOU can do for your conference!

(08-23-2021 09:37 PM)esayem Wrote:  Let's harken back to the 80's and 90's...


Miami - feared across the land and in play for championships

FSU - feared across the land and in play for championships

Syracuse - for a good 10/11 year period Syracuse was a perennial top-25

Georgia Tech, Virginia ...


Where are they now I ask?

Don't ask what your conference can do for you, ask what YOU can do for your conference!

Amen

(08-23-2021 09:37 PM)esayem Wrote:  Let's harken back to the 80's and 90's...


Miami - feared across the land and in play for championships

FSU - feared across the land and in play for championships

Syracuse - for a good 10/11 year period Syracuse was a perennial top-25

Georgia Tech, Virginia ...


Where are they now I ask?

Don't ask what your conference can do for you, ask what YOU can do for your conference!

"We don't choose to go the [playoffs] because it's easy, but because it's hard!"

(08-23-2021 03:26 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 02:43 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 02:09 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 01:54 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 01:27 PM)nole Wrote:  Most cost estimates I have seen have it at $3-$5 million.

But let's say it's $10. That would be the ACC at $42 million a year.

SEC with expansion and new contract is going somewhere from $45 million to roughly $80 million.

B1G has new contract coming to go from $54 million to roughly $75 Million

PAC 12 is irrelevant but have a new contract coming that will push them higher also.




Being $30-$40 million behind the P2 is not good enough to save the ACC. Simple as that.

Being unable to fill your own stadium past 80% capacity is not good enough to save FSU.

Regardless of what FSU's capacity is or isn't......ACC won't survive with that revenue gap. Your post, like much of the ACC's position's and actions, refuse to address the actual issues and lashes out emotionally.....but truly serves no purpose.

Everyone gets that closing the gap is important, even before the 100th time you've posted about it. Maximizing the network revenue is part of that. But predicable as a clock, and as obviously emotional as any poster, you show up to sh** all over an unarguably good development by screaming about how inadequate and terrible everything is, including employing false comparisons of the ACC distribution averages from its 2019-2020 tax filings to estimated SEC and Big Ten payouts three and four years into the future.

But then, you are the same individual that did not buy that there would ever be an ACC Network, and if it did, doubted there would ever be significant revenue, and that it would "will look like a shadow of the SEC network." You seem to conveniently and emotionally ignore what the ACC has done to "address" issues. The ACCN has been a win, but you appear unwilling to allow for the obvious. Everyone clearly understands that you hate the ACC and have a hardon for the SEC, but the ACC is not the cause of your athletic administration blowing up your football program, and no amount of conference revenue will fix the terrible coaching decisions that have been made there.

I actually claimed the revenue gap would exceed $10 million when most doubted that. I was right.

I claimed ND wasn't joining the ACC in football when the narrative was they were. I was right about that also.

ACCN is a shadow of the SECN based on content alone. SEC is big time sponsors and football. ACC is small time sponsors and women's lacross updates the day after the NFL draft.

I get you are upset....I don't hate the ACC. I was hoping, for years, Swofford would stop damaging the ACC so the conference could be viable long term. I just believe the ACC has made mistakes that were likely too much to overcome. The ACC has been very slow, if flat out never....understanding that revenue was always it's #1 issue. I was right on that while the ACC was just kind of casually interested in that.

Again, mistakes FSU has made....don't have anything to do with conferences that will struggle to survive with $30-$40 million revenue gaps. That's emotional lashing out....I get it, folks are angry, but it's just a financial reality...not something to be upset about.

Does this make you a realignment guru?

At long last, ACC Network appears on Comcast, but only temporarily

As it turned out, the temporary airing of ACC Network was merely an operational mistake by the distributor, according to a person familiar with the situation. ESPN had inadvertently put the channel on Comcast in its effort to keep its networks on air during Tropical Storm Henri. Comcast was not the only distributor affected.

Link
https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-tech/...KWB3OY66E/

Ken spot-on here. The glitch was related to ESPN's preparations for Hurricane Henri. Comcast deal still expected in coming weeks. Current contract expires late September.

link
https://twitter.com/ByDavidTeel/status/1...4698979329

It looks like Atlantic Broadband has been added to the list.

https://www.nexttv.com/news/atlantic-bro...cc-channel