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RE: If they go to 8 at this point, how should it be structured?
(08-23-2021 09:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-23-2021 08:58 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-23-2021 08:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-22-2021 04:25 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  
(08-22-2021 01:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I agree that if the Alliance comes out against 12 teams, then the current CFP will continue.

I do not ever see a time when we get an 8-team playoff with just two at-large spots. The SEC and B1G will not go along with it, Notre Dame will not either, IMO.

I agree with this. If an 8 team playoff is going to be viable to the SEC and the B1G, 4 conference champ's and 4 wild cards is the minimum they would agree to.

And nobody else is going to find 4/4 acceptable.

There's a logic to the 6/6. The NCAA has a rule that only 50% of participants in their tourneys are for automatic qualifiers (conference champs). And 6 meant the A5 would get in 107 out of 115 times since the BCS era began. And that was with the Big East in existence and Texas and OU in the Big 12. The SEC and Big 12 would have made it every year. The only years the Big 10 missed were when Ohio St. was on probation and when the champ was lower ranked than the runnerup, who would have made the field. The only years the Pac missed were 2020 Covid and 1999. Its only the ACC who missed much and those years were with the Big East in place.

Does everybody have to find it acceptable for it to happen? If the P4 conferences and Notre Dame all agree on some form of an 8 team playoff with four autobids, does it matter if the G6 don't like it? What's to stop the P4 from doing it anyway? Is the NCAA going to kick them out? Or withhold "permission" and NCAAT revenue distributions to them to prevent it? The NCAA needs them more than they need the NCAA.

My answer to that question would be "no, at that point, it doesn't matter if the G6 like it or not".

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Probably doesnt matter what the G6 thinks---but we know at least 6 G5 conferences and 2 P5 conferences see G5/6 access as a priority. Thats a pretty decent size voting block. Plus---my guess is all the networks will probably like the idea of engaging the G5/G56 since at that point---the non-power team are going to represent well over half the teams in college football and about a third of college football's hard core audience. It just makes good business sense to guarantee a legit pathway from the G5/G6 to the playoff.
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RE: If they go to 8 at this point, how should it be structured?
(08-23-2021 08:03 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  .. And it doesn’t devalue the existing NY6 bowls to QFs at any point in the new cycle. ...

Referring to an increase in net media value as a "devalue" is an interesting turn of phrase.

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(08-23-2021 08:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Probably doesnt matter what the G6 thinks---but we know at least 6 G5 conferences and 2 P5 conferences see G5/6 access as a priority.

Note that the Access Bowl partners were definitely not enthusiastic about the Access Bowl spot, but the Go5 were able to grab it by negotiating as a group and making it a key goal.

And the sixth conference champion would be facing no opposition from the Bowls, since that plays out during Round One when the Bowls are not involved, and whomever is place into the QF games will be validated by a round one win.

And the sixth conference champion is in the fundamental interest of both the PAC12 and ACC, who now coincidentally find themselves in an Alliance with one of the Big 2 conferences.

While the non-power conferences may not have major leverage, from the increasing Access in every restructure of the BCS system into the creation of the CFP4 system, the evidence is that they have some leverage, and what leverage they have they use to try to secure better access to the top of the post-season system.

And this time, they don't even have to use their leverage to add something to the system ... they simply have to use it to maintain a feature of the proposal on the table which several power players also have an incentive to support.

Quote: Thats a pretty decent size voting block. Plus---my guess is all the networks will probably like the idea of engaging the G5/G56 since at that point---the non-power team are going to represent well over half the teams in college football and about a third of college football's hard core audience. It just makes good business sense to guarantee a legit pathway from the G5/G6 to the playoff.

Indeed, to the extent that this kind of halo effect was part of the reason the Go5 got the access race, giving a real pathway into the CFP itself is going to generate an even stronger benefit.
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RE: If they go to 8 at this point, how should it be structured?
(08-23-2021 08:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-23-2021 09:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-23-2021 08:58 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-23-2021 08:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-22-2021 04:25 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  I agree with this. If an 8 team playoff is going to be viable to the SEC and the B1G, 4 conference champ's and 4 wild cards is the minimum they would agree to.

And nobody else is going to find 4/4 acceptable.

There's a logic to the 6/6. The NCAA has a rule that only 50% of participants in their tourneys are for automatic qualifiers (conference champs). And 6 meant the A5 would get in 107 out of 115 times since the BCS era began. And that was with the Big East in existence and Texas and OU in the Big 12. The SEC and Big 12 would have made it every year. The only years the Big 10 missed were when Ohio St. was on probation and when the champ was lower ranked than the runnerup, who would have made the field. The only years the Pac missed were 2020 Covid and 1999. Its only the ACC who missed much and those years were with the Big East in place.

Does everybody have to find it acceptable for it to happen? If the P4 conferences and Notre Dame all agree on some form of an 8 team playoff with four autobids, does it matter if the G6 don't like it? What's to stop the P4 from doing it anyway? Is the NCAA going to kick them out? Or withhold "permission" and NCAAT revenue distributions to them to prevent it? The NCAA needs them more than they need the NCAA.

My answer to that question would be "no, at that point, it doesn't matter if the G6 like it or not".

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Probably doesnt matter what the G6 thinks---but we know at least 6 G5 conferences and 2 P5 conferences see G5/6 access as a priority. Thats a pretty decent size voting block. Plus---my guess is all the networks will probably like the idea of engaging the G5/G56 since at that point---the non-power team are going to represent well over half the teams in college football and about a third of college football's hard core audience. It just makes good business sense to guarantee a legit pathway from the G5/G6 to the playoff.

I expect that an expanded 12-team playoff will be structured so as to guarantee a G6 spot in the playoffs.

I was just replying to the "if" question - if the P4 and ND agreed to a system that did not include the G-autobid, could the Gs stop it?

I don't think they could. But I don't think it will come to that.
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RE: If they go to 8 at this point, how should it be structured?
If 8, I prefer a "Straight 8." Quarterfinal bowls: Cotton, Orange, Rose, and Sugar. Semifinals and championship bid by cities. Add 2 bowls (Citrus and Las Vegas) to the Fiesta and Peach as NY8 bowls.

Quarterfinals: #1 vs #8, #2 vs #7, #3 vs #6, #4 vs #5. #1 seed picks which bowl to play #8, then #2, and #3.

NY8 Bowls Tie-Ins:
Citrus Bowl - B1G vs ACC/ND
Fiesta Bowl - At-Large vs At-Large
Vegas Bowl - PAC vs At-Large
Peach Bowl - SEC vs At-Large
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