If Big 12 gets locked out of the PAC/ACC/B1G Alliance, why not try for a football scheduling alliance with SEC? If Big 12 wants to boost its tv viewership audience, SEC would certainly do that. Spread these Big 12/SEC matchups thru the season. Each Big 12 team could play 2 SEC teams easily since there are 8 Big 12 teams and 16 SEC teams. For example, Oklahoma State will play 18 SEC games in a 12 year period.Oklahoma State also has home and home series schedule with PAC, Arizona State, Oregon, and Colorado plus a home and home with Nebraska.

Both Big 12 and SEC will have scheduling issues to resolve with the departure of Texas and OU. Perhaps a Big 12/SEC scheduling alliance could help resolve those scheduling issues. Maybe not.

And it might allow the Big 12 to hold on to the Sugar Bowl and Texas Bowl versus the SEC.

Kansas and Missouri could revive their old series. Texas U, TAMU, and Arkansas games against TCU, Texas Tech, and Baylor?

If the Big 12 holds at 8 teams, that means 7 conference games and 5 nonconference games. So Big 12 could boost their tv viewership by also scheduling other P5 nonconference games, for example, do a scheduling alliance with PAC also if the Alliance arrangement will permit that. The Big 12 might be able to salvage the situation by loading up on P5 nonconference games for tv viewership purposes.

Future Oklahoma State Football P5 Nonconference Schedule
2022: Arizona State, Oklahoma
2023: @Arizona State, @Oklahoma
2024: Arkansas, Oklahoma
2025: @Oregon, @Oklahoma
2026: Oregon, Oklahoma
2027: @Arkansas, @Oklahoma
2028: Alabama, Oklahoma
2029: @Alabama, @Oklahoma
2030: Oklahoma
2031: @Oklahoma
2032: Arkansas, Oklahoma
2033: @Arkansas, @Oklahoma

2025 onward Oklahoma State will be on the Sooners schedule as an OOC P5.

There is no reason for the SEC to bother. Odds are the B12 wont even be an ESPN property in 2025 given the fallout.

(08-19-2021 08:32 PM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  If Big 12 gets locked out of the PAC/ACC/B1G Alliance, why not try for a football scheduling alliance with SEC? ...

There is nothing except discussion board projection to support "not in the Alliance" = "not going to get PAC-12 / Big Ten / ACC games". The shift to more "Power" conference games ... including in the SEC ... is going to be met with a backlash from the lower rungs of the conference ladders, and the way to provide relief while still retaining "Power Conference" quotas is to retain them as "Power 5" quotas.

So the Big12 may not be part of the "Alliance" OOC telecast package, but if the Alliance is one game per school, mostly provided by increasing Power Conference quotas, they'll still get games from the schools in the alliance in their regular scheduling.

(08-19-2021 08:32 PM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  If Big 12 gets locked out of the PAC/ACC/B1G Alliance, why not try for a football scheduling alliance with SEC? If Big 12 wants to boost its tv viewership audience, SEC would certainly do that. Spread these Big 12/SEC matchups thru the season. Each Big 12 team could play 2 SEC teams easily since there are 8 Big 12 teams and 16 SEC teams. For example, Oklahoma State will play 18 SEC games in a 12 year period.Oklahoma State also has home and home series schedule with PAC, Arizona State, Oregon, and Colorado plus a home and home with Nebraska.

Both Big 12 and SEC will have scheduling issues to resolve with the departure of Texas and OU. Perhaps a Big 12/SEC scheduling alliance could help resolve those scheduling issues. Maybe not.

And it might allow the Big 12 to hold on to the Sugar Bowl and Texas Bowl versus the SEC.

Kansas and Missouri could revive their old series. Texas U, TAMU, and Arkansas games against TCU, Texas Tech, and Baylor?

If the Big 12 holds at 8 teams, that means 7 conference games and 5 nonconference games. So Big 12 could boost their tv viewership by also scheduling other P5 nonconference games, for example, do a scheduling alliance with PAC also if the Alliance arrangement will permit that. The Big 12 might be able to salvage the situation by loading up on P5 nonconference games for tv viewership purposes.

Future Oklahoma State Football P5 Nonconference Schedule
2022: Arizona State, Oklahoma
2023: @Arizona State, @Oklahoma
2024: Arkansas, Oklahoma
2025: @Oregon, @Oklahoma
2026: Oregon, Oklahoma
2027: @Arkansas, @Oklahoma
2028: Alabama, Oklahoma
2029: @Alabama, @Oklahoma
2030: Oklahoma
2031: @Oklahoma
2032: Arkansas, Oklahoma
2033: @Arkansas, @Oklahoma

What does the SEC gain from such an alliance?

SEC schools only need 3-4 OOC games. Less if they go to 9 conference games. Less for those that have permanent OOC rivals. Subtract a warmup game and there isn't a lot of room on the schedule.

The SEC would likely want 2 for 1s, possibly buy games (SEC sites only). If the B12 was able to get designated as "P" opponents (the way BYU did) it would help them.

(08-19-2021 08:32 PM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  If Big 12 gets locked out of the PAC/ACC/B1G Alliance,

I think this is a big IF ... there are still compelling opponents to play with the 8 remaining Big XII schools.

I also think this "Alliance" is more about aligning politically as college football continues to evolve, than it is about purely scheduling.

(08-19-2021 08:32 PM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  If Big 12 gets locked out of the PAC/ACC/B1G Alliance,

If the SEC is locked out of playing the Alliance (outside of UGa-GT, UF-FSU, SC-Clemson, and UK-Louisville), they will have to play B12 teams. The question is, though, will the upper crust SEC teams play B12 teams home and home? Alabama has scheduled a future home-and-home with Oklahoma State. Will any other high-end SEC program do the same with a B12 school?

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will presumably keep playing Bedlam home and home (hopefully). Will Texas visit another B12 stadium when they are no longer members of the conference? I don't see where it would benefit Texas to play at Texas Tech or Baylor. A game at TCU gives them exposure in DFW, but Texas already plays OU every year in Dallas. Texas could just as easily play B12 teams or anyone else on a neutral field in Arlington.

(08-20-2021 10:34 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 08:32 PM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  If Big 12 gets locked out of the PAC/ACC/B1G Alliance,

I also think this "Alliance" is more about aligning politically as college football continues to evolve, than it is about purely scheduling.

It's absolutely more about politics. 1) It's about control of the P4 and about the terms of the future CFP. 2) It's about the emphasis of college sports. I read today about an anonymous administrator (I forgot if it was from the B1G or the Pac) saying that it's not all about football, and that they don't want football driving every decision in college athletics. From their perspective, it's true, because SEC schools generally sponsor fewer sports. 3) It's about tribe. The B1G is aligning with their sister conference (the Pac) and a conference which contains a few schools that they like (the ACC). They see themselves as leaders, but are reacting to the leadership shown by that tribe to the south.

(08-20-2021 02:53 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 08:32 PM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  If Big 12 gets locked out of the PAC/ACC/B1G Alliance,

If the SEC is locked out of playing the Alliance (outside of UGa-GT, UF-FSU, SC-Clemson, and UK-Louisville), they will have to play B12 teams. ...

Except the SEC won't be "locked out of" playing the Alliance schools. There is nothing except conference board speculation without a shred of supporting evidence to the idea that the Alliance involves any boycotts against either the SEC or the Big12.

And as far as unfounded speculation goes, it doesn't have any business logic to back it up, either. To the extent that the Alliance includes a football OOC scheduling component, it gains net value for the participants by upgrading what are now Go5 or FCS games to "Power Conference" games ... so it rests on increasing the total number of power conference games played, ...

... not playing a zero sum game of replacing SEC games with "Alliance" games.

(08-20-2021 02:53 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 08:32 PM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  If Big 12 gets locked out of the PAC/ACC/B1G Alliance,

If the SEC is locked out of playing the Alliance (outside of UGa-GT, UF-FSU, SC-Clemson, and UK-Louisville), they will have to play B12 teams. ...

Except there's no basis for presuming that the SEC will be "locked out of" playing the Alliance schools. There is nothing except conference board speculation without a shred of supporting evidence to the idea that the Alliance involves any boycotts against either the SEC or the Big12.

And as far as unfounded speculation goes, it doesn't have any business logic to back it up, either. To the extent that the Alliance includes a football OOC scheduling component, does it gain net value for the participants by swapping SEC games for "Alliance" games? No.

So, what business logic could there be? How could an Alliance create net value? By upgrading what are now Go5 or FCS games to "Power Conference" games, and then organizing the match-ups to create interesting contests.

If there is one or more bidders, then except for the ACC home games they be organized as a package, carved out of the Big Ten and PAC12's conference contracts ... otherwise, they could be on the basic barter basis, the home school conference owns the rights, their telecast contract partner(s) gain the value in their contract.

But if the room in the schedule is created by increasing the number of games in the "Power Conference" quota in the Big Ten, PAC12 and ACC, there isn't any need for it to involve any reduction of the existing games schedule under the existing quotas.

The Big 12 is in a tough spot when it comes to scheduling OOC games against P4 conferences. They may still be considered P5 just so games like Bedlam can be counted against some hypothetical quota. But their problem is that they are too good on the field for second tier P4 teams to want to play them, yet they aren't valuable enough financially to be able to draw enough eyeballs for first tier P4 teams to want to play them to boost their OOC SOS.

Kansas Senator, Jerry Moran, is seeking Congressional hearings on college athletic conference expansion.

If it happens, testimony may lead to more public revelations about the role of networks. Beyond that, I am not sure much more will be revealed.

https://theathletic.com/news/kansas-sena...m6SSqQv75P

(08-21-2021 03:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  The Big 12 is in a tough spot when it comes to scheduling OOC games against P4 conferences. They may still be considered P5 just so games like Bedlam can be counted against some hypothetical quota. But their problem is that they are too good on the field for second tier P4 teams to want to play them, yet they aren't valuable enough financially to be able to draw enough eyeballs for first tier P4 teams to want to play them to boost their OOC SOS.

Agree, OOC scheduling is going to be problematic for the B12. The SEC is the natural partner. Since the SEC needs to assimilate the new schools (who both have strong football programs), it should make mid-level programs hesitant to schedule B12 OOC. Also, the SEC will be increasing the number of conference games. The Alliance forming a scheduling system is another blow.