Clemson, FSU, GT and Louisville all have to SEC end-of-season rivals, giving them 9 P5 games at least, and I presume would oppose adding a 9th conference game so they can assure at least 7 home games a season. The ACC also already has a commitment from ND to play 5 ACC teams a year. From a math/logistics standpoint, if the 10 ACC teams that don’t have SEC rivals have to play 2 OOC Alliance games a year, and CU, FSU, GT, and Louisville have to play 1 Alliance game, would it make sense to count any ACC team’s matchup with ND as counting as an “Alliance” game —- i.e., if FSU has to play ND, in addition to Florida, OOC in a given year then then do not have to play any PAC-12 or B1G teams? Likewise, USC and Stanford could count their annual matchup with ND as 1 of their 2 Alliance games so they could also schedule MWC or other G5 teams to get 7 home games?
If it works optically and organizationally for ND games against the B1G and PAC for this alliance, it will "count". If it doesn't, then it won't. In either case, it will not prevent ND from scheduling games against the PAC and B1G (or anyone else for that matter).
Yes, the ND-ACC games would be lumped into the alliance, perhaps with an additional ND+B1G Alliance game to make home/away even across the board. The ACC is not looking for a new media partner like the other two conferences are, so their contribution (7-ish games) need not be on par.
The annual games, however, like ND-USC and the 4 SEC games, would likely be on-top-of the "Alliance". USC may be able to merge the ND game into the "Alliance" if they can convince ND to play a second, select Pac-12 team each year. Notre Dame would then be playing 8 "Alliance" games, but would not be IN a conference, technically preserving their Independence and, if the Alliance works as I expect (matchups selected for TV ratings), they won't have to worry much about traveling to Corvallis or Evanston unless they wanted to.
So, FSU would play 8 conference games, a 9th Alliance Game (1/3 of the time it'd be ND), and a 10th game against Florida.
As of now, they'd only have to cancel/postpone a '22 Louisiana and a '23 Southern Miss home game; one of those would be replaced by an Alliance home game, one by an Alliance away game. The Alliance probably wouldn't start that early anyway.
(08-19-2021 10:39 AM)Crayton Wrote: Yes, the ND-ACC games would be lumped into the alliance, perhaps with an additional ND+B1G Alliance game to make home/away even across the board. The ACC is not looking for a new media partner like the other two conferences are, so their contribution (7-ish games) need not be on par.
The annual games, however, like ND-USC and the 4 SEC games, would likely be on-top-of the "Alliance". USC may be able to merge the ND game into the "Alliance" if they can convince ND to play a second, select Pac-12 team each year. Notre Dame would then be playing 8 "Alliance" games, but would not be IN a conference, technically preserving their Independence and, if the Alliance works as I expect (matchups selected for TV ratings), they won't have to worry much about traveling to Corvallis or Evanston unless they wanted to.
So, FSU would play 8 conference games, a 9th Alliance Game (1/3 of the time it'd be ND), and a 10th game against Florida.
As of now, they'd only have to cancel/postpone a '22 Louisiana and a '23 Southern Miss home game; one of those would be replaced by an Alliance home game, one by an Alliance away game. The Alliance probably wouldn't start that early anyway.
ND already plays Stanford every year.
(This post was last modified: 08-19-2021 11:03 AM by TerryD.)
(08-19-2021 10:39 AM)Crayton Wrote: Yes, the ND-ACC games would be lumped into the alliance, perhaps with an additional ND+B1G Alliance game to make home/away even across the board. The ACC is not looking for a new media partner like the other two conferences are, so their contribution (7-ish games) need not be on par.
The annual games, however, like ND-USC and the 4 SEC games, would likely be on-top-of the "Alliance". USC may be able to merge the ND game into the "Alliance" if they can convince ND to play a second, select Pac-12 team each year. Notre Dame would then be playing 8 "Alliance" games, but would not be IN a conference, technically preserving their Independence and, if the Alliance works as I expect (matchups selected for TV ratings), they won't have to worry much about traveling to Corvallis or Evanston unless they wanted to.
So, FSU would play 8 conference games, a 9th Alliance Game (1/3 of the time it'd be ND), and a 10th game against Florida.
As of now, they'd only have to cancel/postpone a '22 Louisiana and a '23 Southern Miss home game; one of those would be replaced by an Alliance home game, one by an Alliance away game. The Alliance probably wouldn't start that early anyway.
ND already plays Stanford every year.
Yeah, that was kind of what I was getting at. Not so much that ND has to play a certain number of Pac-12, B1G or, beyond the 5 in the contract, ACC teams or even be an active participant in the "Alliance." Rather, my question was whether Stanford, USC, the ACC 5 in any given year, and any B1G teams the Irish may choose to schedule would be allowed to count those matchups towards the hypothetical total number of non-conference "Alliance" games they have to play each season. I'm thinking yes.
We're all kind of assuming that the SEC will go to 9 (or 10?) conference games and just stop playing P5 OOC games altogether (or, at 9 SEC, play just one P5 ooc). What if that assumption is wrong and the SEC stays at 8 conference games - unlikely as that sounds?
(08-19-2021 02:38 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: We're all kind of assuming that the SEC will go to 9 (or 10?) conference games and just stop playing P5 OOC games altogether (or, at 9 SEC, play just one P5 ooc). What if that assumption is wrong and the SEC stays at 8 conference games - unlikely as that sounds?
They're not going to play 10 conference games, ever, unless the requirement for winning 6 games to be bowl-eligible is removed. 10 conference games plus the 6-win requirement would mean half the conference would never again play in a bowl game.
Counting ND games towards an Alliance commitment hurts the ability to get incremental ACC media payments. The ACC needs new and better content.
If Clemson and FSU have an issue with an additional scheduled game against a brand B1G/PAC team, then count games against ND as out-of-division in-conference. ND is still not eligible for the ACC football championship.
(08-19-2021 02:38 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: We're all kind of assuming that the SEC will go to 9 (or 10?) conference games and just stop playing P5 OOC games altogether (or, at 9 SEC, play just one P5 ooc). What if that assumption is wrong and the SEC stays at 8 conference games - unlikely as that sounds?
The SEC is transitioning in 2026 scheduling to 9 conference games, 2 OOC P games and 1 Home Coming Rent-a-Kill game. That's the long and short of it. So freaking out, histrionics, and wild dumb*** fan claims aside, a 16 member conference needs 9 conference games to make the rotation work on the rotating half division scheduling model.
The nonsense that the SEC will only play among themselves is just what the outcome of an alliances boycott would produce of necessity. And if we did have to play only SEC schools we would keep 9 and buy 3 games and still have a better S.O.S. than the competition. And if we played 11 conference games we'd make another 7 to 10 million each. Pick your poison.
(This post was last modified: 08-19-2021 03:44 PM by JRsec.)
(08-19-2021 02:38 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: We're all kind of assuming that the SEC will go to 9 (or 10?) conference games and just stop playing P5 OOC games altogether (or, at 9 SEC, play just one P5 ooc). What if that assumption is wrong and the SEC stays at 8 conference games - unlikely as that sounds?
The SEC is transitioning in 2026 scheduling to 9 conference games, 2 OOC P games and 1 Home Coming Rent-a-Kill game. That's the long and short of it. So freaking out, histrionics, and wild dumb*** fan claims aside, a 16 member conference needs 9 conference games to make the rotation work on the rotating half division scheduling model.
The nonsense that the SEC will only play among themselves is just what the outcome of an alliances boycott would produce of necessity. And if we did have to play only SEC schools we would keep 9 and buy 3 games and still have a better S.O.S. than the competition. And if we played 11 conference games we'd make another 7 to 10 million each. Pick your poison.
I'm certain South Carolina-Clemson, Florida-FSU, Georgia-Georgia Tech and Kentucky-Louisville aren't going away, and I'd be pretty surprised if OU backs out of Bedlam once they're in the SEC. Hence, the hitch I see is that it doesn't seem feasible for the 8 SEC teams that end up with 5 road conference games in a given season with a 9 game slate to be assured that both OOC power games are at home. That would have to happen to get to the minimally acceptable 7 home dates, once you throw in the G5/FCS homecoming game. You couldn't just do home-and-homes for OOC power games, as you'd end up with only 6 home dates the following season, with just 5 SEC games and a body bag. I don't see Bama, Texas, OU, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, LSU et al. just accepting 6 home games annually or biennially, even with the increased TV money. To that end, if the SEC goes to 9 games, which I think it will, then its members will largely play one current P5 team OOC each year and leave two dates open for G5/FCS buy games to maintain 7 home games (i.e. a Georgia OOC schedule with GT, Georgia Southern and Mercer or South Carolina with Clemson, Charlotte and Wofford).
(08-19-2021 02:38 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: We're all kind of assuming that the SEC will go to 9 (or 10?) conference games and just stop playing P5 OOC games altogether (or, at 9 SEC, play just one P5 ooc). What if that assumption is wrong and the SEC stays at 8 conference games - unlikely as that sounds?
The SEC is transitioning in 2026 scheduling to 9 conference games, 2 OOC P games and 1 Home Coming Rent-a-Kill game. That's the long and short of it. So freaking out, histrionics, and wild dumb*** fan claims aside, a 16 member conference needs 9 conference games to make the rotation work on the rotating half division scheduling model.
The nonsense that the SEC will only play among themselves is just what the outcome of an alliances boycott would produce of necessity. And if we did have to play only SEC schools we would keep 9 and buy 3 games and still have a better S.O.S. than the competition. And if we played 11 conference games we'd make another 7 to 10 million each. Pick your poison.
I'm certain South Carolina-Clemson, Florida-FSU, Georgia-Georgia Tech and Kentucky-Louisville aren't going away, and I'd be pretty surprised if OU backs out of Bedlam once they're in the SEC. Hence, the hitch I see is that it doesn't seem feasible for the 8 SEC teams that end up with 5 road conference games in a given season with a 9 game slate to be assured that both OOC power games are at home. That would have to happen to get to the minimally acceptable 7 home dates, once you throw in the G5/FCS homecoming game. You couldn't just do home-and-homes for OOC power games, as you'd end up with only 6 home dates the following season, with just 5 SEC games and a body bag. I don't see Bama, Texas, OU, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, LSU et al. just accepting 6 home games annually or biennially, even with the increased TV money. To that end, if the SEC goes to 9 games, which I think it will, then its members will largely play one current P5 team OOC each year and leave two dates open for G5/FCS buy games to maintain 7 home games (i.e. a Georgia OOC schedule with GT, Georgia Southern and Mercer or South Carolina with Clemson, Charlotte and Wofford).
When UT and OU are on board the per school media payout will be 76.5 million (from a source at UT who saw the numbers). The SEC made ~47 million following a reported 45.5 last February. Don't you think a 30 million dollar bump covers a multitude of issues??? The average home game in conference is worth 6-7 million and against a lower tier school about 5 million.
This also likely leads to a push to eliminate Spring games and replace them with a late August pre-season game against an in state lower tier school who needs a paycheck for their program. That ticket will be included in season books and there's your 7th home game with an 8th on odd years. The SEC wins all the way around, as do other conferences who push for this. And, as do FCS and G5 schools.
(This post was last modified: 08-19-2021 04:16 PM by JRsec.)
(08-19-2021 10:39 AM)Crayton Wrote: Yes, the ND-ACC games would be lumped into the alliance, perhaps with an additional ND+B1G Alliance game to make home/away even across the board. The ACC is not looking for a new media partner like the other two conferences are, so their contribution (7-ish games) need not be on par.
The annual games, however, like ND-USC and the 4 SEC games, would likely be on-top-of the "Alliance". USC may be able to merge the ND game into the "Alliance" if they can convince ND to play a second, select Pac-12 team each year. Notre Dame would then be playing 8 "Alliance" games, but would not be IN a conference, technically preserving their Independence and, if the Alliance works as I expect (matchups selected for TV ratings), they won't have to worry much about traveling to Corvallis or Evanston unless they wanted to.
So, FSU would play 8 conference games, a 9th Alliance Game (1/3 of the time it'd be ND), and a 10th game against Florida.
As of now, they'd only have to cancel/postpone a '22 Louisiana and a '23 Southern Miss home game; one of those would be replaced by an Alliance home game, one by an Alliance away game. The Alliance probably wouldn't start that early anyway.
(08-19-2021 02:38 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: We're all kind of assuming that the SEC will go to 9 (or 10?) conference games and just stop playing P5 OOC games altogether (or, at 9 SEC, play just one P5 ooc). What if that assumption is wrong and the SEC stays at 8 conference games - unlikely as that sounds?
They're not going to play 10 conference games, ever, unless the requirement for winning 6 games to be bowl-eligible is removed. 10 conference games plus the 6-win requirement would mean half the conference would never again play in a bowl game.
Why do they have the 6 win rule still? Aren't there around 50 bowl games now for 130 teams? That way they can bring ties back and not have to deal with hokey OT anymore.
(08-19-2021 02:38 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: We're all kind of assuming that the SEC will go to 9 (or 10?) conference games and just stop playing P5 OOC games altogether (or, at 9 SEC, play just one P5 ooc). What if that assumption is wrong and the SEC stays at 8 conference games - unlikely as that sounds?
They're not going to play 10 conference games, ever, unless the requirement for winning 6 games to be bowl-eligible is removed. 10 conference games plus the 6-win requirement would mean half the conference would never again play in a bowl game.
Why do they have the 6 win rule still? Aren't there around 50 bowl games now for 130 teams? That way they can bring ties back and not have to deal with hokey OT anymore.
(08-19-2021 03:43 PM)JRsec Wrote: The nonsense that the SEC will only play among themselves is just what the outcome of an alliances boycott would produce of necessity. ...
But the "Alliance Boycott" theory is just fan silliness, it's not serious business strategy ... if the point of the Alliance is to increase net value, it fundamentally has to be a net shift of FCS/Go5 games to Power4/Major5 games, and the rest is the details how to accomplish that and how to package the harvest of the increase in value.
Trading off P4 matchups for other P4 matchups is a zero sum game.
(This post was last modified: 08-20-2021 02:58 AM by BruceMcF.)
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ACC-B1G-PAC-12 Alliance & Games Against ND?
