(08-18-2021 02:41 AM)Wedge Wrote:  So there's the choice for the Big 12 presidents: Either fewer teams and bigger slices of the pie for everyone, or more teams and a larger gap between Big 12 football and AAC football.

That doesn't necessarily have to be the choice. Like every conference, some members are more valuable than others. If you skim the best from the AAC, you may find that their average value would be about the same as that of the remaining B12 schools when they step up in class. In that case, the average payout wouldn't differ much whether you have 10 members or 12. But the power gap between the B12 and the AAC gets wider as more of its top teams leave for the B12.

(08-17-2021 04:18 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 02:19 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Geography matters too. Even if travel costs aren’t a factor, travel time/hassle is since it takes away from class time and can adversely affect performance.

If that were a factor in the analysis it would help Houston, SMU, Memphis and Cincy and hurt Boise, USF, UCF and BYU.

Hard to find direct commercial flights between Memphis or Cincinnati to KC, OKC, and Des Moines. That would be tough on half the existing conference...devote 5+ hours on connecting-flight travel...

Houston and SLC have multiple daily non-stop routes to all three.

Probably all the football teams in this discussion fly charter, so your argument is moot.

(08-18-2021 05:19 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 04:18 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 02:19 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Geography matters too. Even if travel costs aren’t a factor, travel time/hassle is since it takes away from class time and can adversely affect performance.

If that were a factor in the analysis it would help Houston, SMU, Memphis and Cincy and hurt Boise, USF, UCF and BYU.

Hard to find direct commercial flights between Memphis or Cincinnati to KC, OKC, and Des Moines. That would be tough on half the existing conference...devote 5+ hours on connecting-flight travel...

Houston and SLC have multiple daily non-stop routes to all three.

Probably all the football teams in this discussion fly charter, so your argument is moot.

The football teams are not the focus of the conference team travel geography issues ... after all, that was why the original Boise State and SDSU to the "Big East of Reno, Nevada" plan would have been FB-only adds.

(08-18-2021 05:19 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 04:18 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 02:19 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Geography matters too. Even if travel costs aren’t a factor, travel time/hassle is since it takes away from class time and can adversely affect performance.

If that were a factor in the analysis it would help Houston, SMU, Memphis and Cincy and hurt Boise, USF, UCF and BYU.

Hard to find direct commercial flights between Memphis or Cincinnati to KC, OKC, and Des Moines. That would be tough on half the existing conference...devote 5+ hours on connecting-flight travel...

Houston and SLC have multiple daily non-stop routes to all three.

Probably all the football teams in this discussion fly charter, so your argument is moot.

Non-revenue sports fly commercial.

Good lord…. If UC and Memphis can get their women’s volleyball team to Greenville, NC they will have no problems getting them to OKC or KC.

(08-17-2021 10:29 PM)Claw Wrote:  If you take one in Florida, then you have to take two.

If you take two in Florida, then you have to take four overall.

I don't see any way around that.

Probably

(08-18-2021 03:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Good lord…. If UC and Memphis can get their women’s volleyball team to Greenville, NC they will have no problems getting them to OKC or KC.

The question isn't what is the impact on the budgets of UC or Memphis, it's what is the impact on the subsidy sports budgets of the R8 who have to decide whom to invite.

They are going to be doing an adjustment to a lower standard of income than they have been used to receiving ... they may not want to increase the travel costs of their subsidy sports without the telecast partners telling them, indirectly, that the add makes those extra costs worth while.

(08-19-2021 12:49 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 03:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Good lord…. If UC and Memphis can get their women’s volleyball team to Greenville, NC they will have no problems getting them to OKC or KC.

The question isn't what is the impact on the budgets of UC or Memphis, it's what is the impact on the subsidy sports budgets of the R8 who have to decide whom to invite.

They are going to be doing an adjustment to a lower standard of income than they have been used to receiving ... they may not want to increase the travel costs of their subsidy sports without the telecast partners telling them, indirectly, that the add makes those extra costs worth while.

True enough. A $14 million per year haircut post-2025 is not insignificant and it might be more depending on who, if any, are added. But in the 4 years leading up to that, the Big 12 schools will each be making 1/8th of UT/OU's buyout amount which, at present, looks to be about $10 million per year per school which, if invested when received, could yield more post 2025.

And all Big 12 schools are not equal. TCU's aggregate conference distribution in 2011-12 from the MWC was $3.1 million and both TCU and WVa. went through 4 years of scaled distribution, so it wasn't really until 2015-16 that each got a full distribution ($35-40 million). So it hasn't been that long that we've been "used to receiving" P5 money. In the 70+ year history of the SWC, there was never really big money, and in the 25 years since, 19-20 years of that TCU wasn't "used to" receiving big money either. The adjustment to a $14 million haircut post-2025 won't be as wrenching for TCU as it might be for the others.

If the Big 12 media money is $28 million now, and it falls to $14 million, that's not much higher than BYU's current $8-12 million, so the dilution won't be that much if the Cougars are added. The AAC schools are at $7 million - the dilution would be higher if they are added. But it's still a lot more than the MWC's 2012 $3.1 million.