(08-16-2021 11:01 PM)micahandme Wrote:  Notre Dame has purposefully accepted less ....


N15 At UCLA
N22 Notre Dame
N29 BC

Would Penn State seriously consider leaving the Big Ten??

Your post is well thought out, and makes some compelling points, but this seems like a super long shot.

And getting Notre Dame to give up it's independence ... well ... that feels as daunting as rescuing the 10-15,000 Americans trapped in Afghanistan right now.


If Jim Phillips could pull this off, he'd pass Sankey on his way to the title "Greatest Conference Commissioner of All Time".

Wow! A dream scenario for the ACC and ESPN. This is shooting for the moon…although I also never thought that UT & OU would jump solo to the SEC.

Penn State and Notre Dame would be one hell of an answer to the SEC adding Texas and Oklahoma.

PSU to the ACC is not as crazy as many people think. IIRC, the ACC actually approached PSU after ND had joined the ACC. The BIG didn’t want to take a chance and added Rutgers and UMCP to keep PSU happy (and possibly to retaliate). In my opinion, the fact that the ACC tried to poach PSU from the mighty Big Ten didn’t fit the narrative and therefore was not discussed much.

With the current revenue gap, getting PSU is a still long shot but I won’t completely rule out that possibility particularly if the ACC is willing to give up the equal distribution.

(08-17-2021 10:14 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  PSU to the ACC is not as crazy as many people think. IIRC, the ACC actually approached PSU after ND had joined the ACC. The BIG didn’t want to take a chance and added Rutgers and UMCP to keep PSU happy (and possibly to retaliate). In my opinion, the fact that the ACC tried to poach PSU from the mighty Big Ten didn’t fit the narrative and therefore was not discussed much.

With the current revenue gap, getting PSU is a still long shot but I won’t completely rule out that possibility particularly if the ACC is willing to give up the equal distribution.

Back when I used to read conference realignment material ad-nauseam, I stumbled upon FTT webpage and one thing I took from his articles is that people need to think like University Presidents and not sports fans. Even if, in some fantasy alternate universe, the SEC were to invite PSU, the PSU President would listen to the offer and respectfully decline. No B1G school president is going to leave that research consortium that helps them land research grant money that is in orders of magnitude greater than sports revenue. If I were the VT President and B1G offered VT a spot in the research consortium, I’d leap at that chance. It wouldn’t even be a decision I would need to think about. Research Money >>> Sports Money.

(08-17-2021 10:14 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  PSU to the ACC is not as crazy as many people think. IIRC, the ACC actually approached PSU after ND had joined the ACC. The BIG didn’t want to take a chance and added Rutgers and UMCP to keep PSU happy (and possibly to retaliate). In my opinion, the fact that the ACC tried to poach PSU from the mighty Big Ten didn’t fit the narrative and therefore was not discussed much.

With the current revenue gap, getting PSU is a still long shot but I won’t completely rule out that possibility particularly if the ACC is willing to give up the equal distribution.

So the argument here is that Penn State was pushing for the adds they wanted, then they got the adds they wanted, so to retaliate for getting what they wanted, they are going to leave for a conference that can't even match the conference distribution they are presently getting without agreeing to an unequal distribution which will make it easier for the conference they left to raid the conference they are going to, once the end of the GOR is looming?

Here is what I posted unfortunately I think I put it in the wrong discussion thread.

Out of all the P5 schools that he BigTen house I would say Penn State, Maryland and Rutgers would move if the offer is a good one, and with that said doesn’t actually have to match what their currently getting. So the question on expansion what number are these conferences going to??? Is it 16 and done or is it 18 or 20 possibly more???

The ACC should be doing anything and everything to get these schools to listen, and if ESPN wants to cripple FOX then you pull out the checkbook for the schools to be added. Let’s say the Super conferences will be 20 schools. The ACC brings in Notre Dame, Penn State, West Virginia, Maryland, Rutgers and UCF. This brings in new states added to the footprint more households added for the network, and all the additions are schools who will help out football more so than hurting the other sports.

This would give ESPN a total of 36 schools along with the SEC giving them more than enough TV material to broadcast and keep the eyeballs glued to their network. Not only would this allow them to keep games on the network, but they could have PPV games up to 5 games a week possibly more with the ACC and SEC along with crossover schedule. I think the 20 schools the ACC would have COULD put them close to the same payout with the 16 SEC schools or close enough to keep them competitive for a long time. Now we all know this isn’t happening, but it makes for some good water cooler material.

there is about 25 million reasons Penn St. wont be going to ACC.

(08-17-2021 10:34 PM)JAE_VT Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 10:14 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  PSU to the ACC is not as crazy as many people think. IIRC, the ACC actually approached PSU after ND had joined the ACC. The BIG didn’t want to take a chance and added Rutgers and UMCP to keep PSU happy (and possibly to retaliate). In my opinion, the fact that the ACC tried to poach PSU from the mighty Big Ten didn’t fit the narrative and therefore was not discussed much.

With the current revenue gap, getting PSU is a still long shot but I won’t completely rule out that possibility particularly if the ACC is willing to give up the equal distribution.

Back when I used to read conference realignment material ad-nauseam, I stumbled upon FTT webpage and one thing I took from his articles is that people need to think like University Presidents and not sports fans. Even if, in some fantasy alternate universe, the SEC were to invite PSU, the PSU President would listen to the offer and respectfully decline. No B1G school president is going to leave that research consortium that helps them land research grant money that is in orders of magnitude greater than sports revenue. If I were the VT President and B1G offered VT a spot in the research consortium, I’d leap at that chance. It wouldn’t even be a decision I would need to think about. Research Money >>> Sports Money.

That research consortium doesn't help a school land more research grant money, and the grant money the individual members receive isn't shared with the other schools. If you are a strong research school in the B1G you would be a strong research school in the SEC or ACC.

Notre Dame isn't going to join the ACC for football because they don't want to. Penn State isn't going to do it because it's a bad financial move. But there would be nothing to stop Penn State from jumping to the SEC if Ohio State would go along with them. Then Sankey would be considered a god among AD's and we would have a P1, a Tween 3 and a G6.

(08-17-2021 10:34 PM)JAE_VT Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 10:14 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  PSU to the ACC is not as crazy as many people think. IIRC, the ACC actually approached PSU after ND had joined the ACC. The BIG didn’t want to take a chance and added Rutgers and UMCP to keep PSU happy (and possibly to retaliate). In my opinion, the fact that the ACC tried to poach PSU from the mighty Big Ten didn’t fit the narrative and therefore was not discussed much.

With the current revenue gap, getting PSU is a still long shot but I won’t completely rule out that possibility particularly if the ACC is willing to give up the equal distribution.

Back when I used to read conference realignment material ad-nauseam, I stumbled upon FTT webpage and one thing I took from his articles is that people need to think like University Presidents and not sports fans. Even if, in some fantasy alternate universe, the SEC were to invite PSU, the PSU President would listen to the offer and respectfully decline. No B1G school president is going to leave that research consortium that helps them land research grant money that is in orders of magnitude greater than sports revenue. If I were the VT President and B1G offered VT a spot in the research consortium, I’d leap at that chance. It wouldn’t even be a decision I would need to think about. Research Money >>> Sports Money.

I just want to say way back in November of 2009 I was talking about presidents being the decision makers, but I never get any credit!

(08-18-2021 07:39 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 10:34 PM)JAE_VT Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 10:14 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  PSU to the ACC is not as crazy as many people think. IIRC, the ACC actually approached PSU after ND had joined the ACC. The BIG didn’t want to take a chance and added Rutgers and UMCP to keep PSU happy (and possibly to retaliate). In my opinion, the fact that the ACC tried to poach PSU from the mighty Big Ten didn’t fit the narrative and therefore was not discussed much.

With the current revenue gap, getting PSU is a still long shot but I won’t completely rule out that possibility particularly if the ACC is willing to give up the equal distribution.

Back when I used to read conference realignment material ad-nauseam, I stumbled upon FTT webpage and one thing I took from his articles is that people need to think like University Presidents and not sports fans. Even if, in some fantasy alternate universe, the SEC were to invite PSU, the PSU President would listen to the offer and respectfully decline. No B1G school president is going to leave that research consortium that helps them land research grant money that is in orders of magnitude greater than sports revenue. If I were the VT President and B1G offered VT a spot in the research consortium, I’d leap at that chance. It wouldn’t even be a decision I would need to think about. Research Money >>> Sports Money.

That research consortium doesn't help a school land more research grant money, and the grant money the individual members receive isn't shared with the other schools. If you are a strong research school in the B1G you would be a strong research school in the SEC or ACC.

ken d:

I understand that the research grant money is not split amongst the conference members, but the consortium does assist them in getting grants. From what I understand, one of the benefits of the consortium is that they share resources amongst the members like lab equipment and other technical resources. I'm not stating that leaving the B1G would knock a school as a research institute. I'm just stating that it is a resource that members share amongst each other. Again, from my own understanding.

(08-18-2021 11:03 AM)JAE_VT Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 07:39 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 10:34 PM)JAE_VT Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 10:14 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  PSU to the ACC is not as crazy as many people think. IIRC, the ACC actually approached PSU after ND had joined the ACC. The BIG didn’t want to take a chance and added Rutgers and UMCP to keep PSU happy (and possibly to retaliate). In my opinion, the fact that the ACC tried to poach PSU from the mighty Big Ten didn’t fit the narrative and therefore was not discussed much.

With the current revenue gap, getting PSU is a still long shot but I won’t completely rule out that possibility particularly if the ACC is willing to give up the equal distribution.

Back when I used to read conference realignment material ad-nauseam, I stumbled upon FTT webpage and one thing I took from his articles is that people need to think like University Presidents and not sports fans. Even if, in some fantasy alternate universe, the SEC were to invite PSU, the PSU President would listen to the offer and respectfully decline. No B1G school president is going to leave that research consortium that helps them land research grant money that is in orders of magnitude greater than sports revenue. If I were the VT President and B1G offered VT a spot in the research consortium, I’d leap at that chance. It wouldn’t even be a decision I would need to think about. Research Money >>> Sports Money.

That research consortium doesn't help a school land more research grant money, and the grant money the individual members receive isn't shared with the other schools. If you are a strong research school in the B1G you would be a strong research school in the SEC or ACC.

ken d:

I understand that the research grant money is not split amongst the conference members, but the consortium does assist them in getting grants. From what I understand, one of the benefits of the consortium is that they share resources amongst the members like lab equipment and other technical resources. I'm not stating that leaving the B1G would knock a school as a research institute. I'm just stating that it is a resource that members share amongst each other. Again, from my own understanding.

I'm not suggesting that the consortium has no value. Only that its financial value is minimal with respect to a decision about what athletic conference to belong to.