So much B.S., So little Time!

Swaim: Handles news for Oklahoma State. So he covers a dead man walking a few weeks from the seasons opening and was ordered to create buzz (meaning fiction).

Now if the hooey about the alliance had a scintilla of truth perhaps a plot to lock down Texas and Georgia and Florida while refusing to play the PAC and B1G schools to deprive them of games in the best recruiting areas would have a tiny bit of credibility.

I would think 24 instead of just 20.

But you do realize that any such "unprofitable" undertaking would have to be covered by Tinkerbell's fairy dust to be able to fly. So clap your hands if you believe in fairies. I don't!

(08-16-2021 08:07 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Bollocks.

ESPN has Florida State and Clemson on a sweetheart deal for the next 15 years. Why would they want to change that?

Exactly ... it's the ACC that will be looking for an angle to convince ESPN to renegotiate the price ... ESPN can happily stand pat.

(08-16-2021 08:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  So much B.S., So little Time!

Swaim: Handles news for Oklahoma State. So he covers a dead man walking a few weeks from the seasons opening and was ordered to create buzz (meaning fiction).

Exactly. Greg is an OSU guy looking for clicks. He is trying to increase hope for more than one desperate fan base.

The play for the SEC is in the east, but the ACC GOR is in the way for now.

People believe everything they read on the internet.

SEC will not be adding anybody else from the Big XII. I guarantee it.

(08-16-2021 09:41 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 08:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  So much B.S., So little Time!

Swaim: Handles news for Oklahoma State. So he covers a dead man walking a few weeks from the seasons opening and was ordered to create buzz (meaning fiction).

Exactly. Greg is an OSU guy looking for clicks. He is trying to increase hope for more than one desperate fan base.

The play for the SEC is in the east, but the ACC GOR is in the way for now.

Agree. The SEC is going for the top programs that bring brand cache, viewers, national interest and competitiveness. None of the remaining 8 from the B12 come close to that. Clemson and FSU do, and are within the SEC footprint. Only a matter of time IMO.

(08-16-2021 08:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  So much B.S., So little Time!

Swaim: Handles news for Oklahoma State. So he covers a dead man walking a few weeks from the seasons opening and was ordered to create buzz (meaning fiction).

Now if the hooey about the alliance had a scintilla of truth perhaps a plot to lock down Texas and Georgia and Florida while refusing to play the PAC and B1G schools to deprive them of games in the best recruiting areas would have a tiny bit of credibility.

I would think 24 instead of just 20.

But you do realize that any such "unprofitable" undertaking would have to be covered by Tinkerbell's fairy dust to be able to fly. So clap your hands if you believe in fairies. I don't!

He put out a lot of tweets about the Big 12 adding UL, BYU, UH, Cincy, etc several times over the years. His hit % is close to 0.

As much as this rumor would be great news for my school I doubt it happens.

Only remote plausible idea that it would have any legs is that it’s a defensive maneuver to keep one of the other leagues from adding them. I also see that as a big stretch.

Reading those tweets made me think of this scene from the classic Vacation .... Chevy playing the role of Mr. Swaim.

(08-16-2021 09:51 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 09:41 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 08:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  So much B.S., So little Time!

Swaim: Handles news for Oklahoma State. So he covers a dead man walking a few weeks from the seasons opening and was ordered to create buzz (meaning fiction).

Exactly. Greg is an OSU guy looking for clicks. He is trying to increase hope for more than one desperate fan base.

The play for the SEC is in the east, but the ACC GOR is in the way for now.

Agree. The SEC is going for the top programs that bring brand cache, viewers, national interest and competitiveness. None of the remaining 8 from the B12 come close to that. Clemson and FSU do, and are within the SEC footprint. Only a matter of time IMO.

The SEC can create value at a school. I don't think the numbers have to be there today if the school fits the profile and the geography. The SEC got where it is by having the right geographic footprints of flagship area schools.

I think Kansas fits the profile and the geography perfectly.

Adding Oklahoma State fills out that piece of the geography nicely and solves a political problem for Oklahoma. OK State fits the profile of several schools as well. It's possible.

The SEC needs to be in North Carolina, but that will have to wait. West Virginia maybe? State flagship. Rural students. Might be a fit.

If they add two more, it will be Kansas and either OK State or West Virginia.

(08-16-2021 10:14 PM)Claw Wrote:  The SEC can create value at a school. I don't think the numbers have to be there today if the school fits the profile and the geography. The SEC got where it is by having the right geographic footprints of flagship area schools.

I think Kansas fits the profile and the geography perfectly.

Adding Oklahoma State fills out that piece of the geography nicely and solves a political problem for Oklahoma. OK State fits the profile of several schools as well. It's possible.

The SEC needs to be in North Carolina, but that will have to wait. West Virginia maybe? State flagship. Rural students. Might be a fit.

If they add two more, it will be Kansas and either OK State or West Virginia.

There's nothing Southern about KU, but it borders Missouri and Oklahoma. Mizzou is KU's blood rival, going back to a war the two states fought against each other. Check a KU board, and they still call Mizzou "slavers". Brutal. KU does fit the profile, provides great basketball and a winnable football game for SEC members.

OSU fits well with the SEC. They have a strong all-around athletic program, and are a land-grant school in a state that is passionate about college athletics. The OKC and Tulsa markets consistently rate in the top 5-10 for college football ratings, including games not involving local teams.

I have my doubts about increase of SEC media value with them, but both would make good conference members.

If we are headed toward the megaconference model some have speculated about, with the SEC and Big Ten basically plucking off the valuable schools from the Pac-12, ACC and Big 12 over a period of several years, a 24-team SEC could look something like this:

SEC West
Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas
Missouri

This is basically the value schools from the Big 12 minus Nebraska. Gives the SEC four big-time rivalries with the Shootout, Bedlam, Border War and Texas-Aggies.

SEC Central
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Mississippi State

Well, whaddaya know. It's the old SEC West.

SEC East
Florida
Georgia
Tennessee
South Carolina
Kentucky
Vanderbilt

Hmmm, this looks familiar too.

SEC Atlantic
FSU
Miami
Clemson
North Carolina
Virginia Tech
Georgia Tech

You'd end up with SEC Network and SEC Network 2 (the Longhorn Network rebranded), and DEEP championship level inventory across all sports, every major historic rivalry across the southern third of the country, the three biggest basketball bluebloods and schedules that look pretty darn familiar.

(08-16-2021 11:14 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 10:14 PM)Claw Wrote:  The SEC can create value at a school. I don't think the numbers have to be there today if the school fits the profile and the geography. The SEC got where it is by having the right geographic footprints of flagship area schools.

I think Kansas fits the profile and the geography perfectly.

Adding Oklahoma State fills out that piece of the geography nicely and solves a political problem for Oklahoma. OK State fits the profile of several schools as well. It's possible.

The SEC needs to be in North Carolina, but that will have to wait. West Virginia maybe? State flagship. Rural students. Might be a fit.

If they add two more, it will be Kansas and either OK State or West Virginia.

There's nothing Southern about KU, but it borders Missouri and Oklahoma. Mizzou is KU's blood rival, going back to a war the two states fought against each other. Check a KU board, and they still call Mizzou "slavers". Brutal. KU does fit the profile, provides great basketball and a winnable football game for SEC members.

OSU fits well with the SEC. They have a strong all-around athletic program, and are a land-grant school in a state that is passionate about college athletics. The OKC and Tulsa markets consistently rate in the top 5-10 for college football ratings, including games not involving local teams.

I have my doubts about increase of SEC media value with them, but both would make good conference members.

ESPN would have to give pro rata to make it happen.

With a modicum of imagination and pro rata ESPN could put 2 twenty team conferences together that would eliminate all fees, unite a voting block of 40 and balance out win/loss issues:

SEC:

Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Virginia Tech

Reasoning: OSU keeps Bedlam and they are good in all sports. Kansas is AAU and a national brand in hoops. ISU is an SEC outlier but historically belongs here and is AAU. And one wonders how they would do vs Iowa with an SEC budget. Each conference takes someone they had rather not. So the SEC for eschewing a high value football target takes a duplicate in Virginia Tech ( a sister school for A&M).

ACC:

Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia

Duke, Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia, Wake Forest

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, N.C. State

Baylor, Brigham Young, Kansas State, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

Reasons: Huge market addition for the ACCN. Kansas State helps football Kansas doesn't. Solid hoops for 4. West Virginia connects the footprint and unites with ould rivals. P4 is getting locked in so ND joins because with OOC games in the SEC they have plenty of access. NC State could have taken VaTech's place in the SEC but the state governing board would not allow it.

The 2 conferences together streamline ESPN holdings and form a formidable voting block. Sugar Bowl and Orange Bowl match up ACC & SEC leaders.

What's the cost? Pro Rata for the SEC's 4 additions. Bump into 50's for an all in ND with massive market additions and Mormons everywhere.

(08-16-2021 07:46 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 07:30 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  So, just pondering here... Does the SEC add Arizona and Arizona State to become "The Southern" Conference? That would allow Auburn and 'Bama to go East, the SEC could cover the whole gammut of time zones and knee-cap the PAC 12, basically forcing the Big Ten's hand before the Big Ten is ready to play their cards...

Adding Oklahoma and Texas already allows Auburn and Bama to go East, so allowing them to do what they can already do is no big win.

And is it really a knee cap of the PAC-12? That would set up the Big12 to be raided of two schools by the PAC-12, to temporarily participate until the conference championship game ducks are in a row and it is time to set up the coast to coast Big Ten (... and medium ten ... and little four), and the remaining AAU members of the PAC-12 depart for the Big Ten.

Allowing Colorado and Utah to vote on expansion matters will block any new teams from coming in.

(08-16-2021 06:23 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Has this dude EVER been right about anything? He is Dude of WVU with a larger following.

Exactly. Dude has a 100% track record of being wrong.

(08-16-2021 06:01 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I’ll just leave this here….

I hope no one takes this guy serious.

This.
The SEC already has Tx locked down with A&M and UT, they don't need anyone else there.

(08-16-2021 07:17 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 07:06 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  ESPN has the rights to Clemson and FSU locked up thru ‘36 and the SEC gains no new eyeballs in South Carolina or Florida by adding either of them. The SEC already now has primacy in recruiting in Texas and Oklahoma, along with Florida, Georgia and Louisiana. If they add anyone, which they shouldn’t, it will be down the road and be UNC & Duke (tied at the hip), Virginia and one of the following: KU, Maryland, VT, or WVU.

ESPN has the rights to Clemson and FSU locked up thru ‘36...so, could they release them as well?

The ACC has the rights to Clemson and FSU locked up thru '36.

(08-17-2021 09:18 AM)Eggszecutor Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 07:17 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 07:06 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  ESPN has the rights to Clemson and FSU locked up thru ‘36 and the SEC gains no new eyeballs in South Carolina or Florida by adding either of them. The SEC already now has primacy in recruiting in Texas and Oklahoma, along with Florida, Georgia and Louisiana. If they add anyone, which they shouldn’t, it will be down the road and be UNC & Duke (tied at the hip), Virginia and one of the following: KU, Maryland, VT, or WVU.

ESPN has the rights to Clemson and FSU locked up thru ‘36...so, could they release them as well?

The ACC has the rights to Clemson and FSU locked up thru '36.

Well, through to the early 30's, at least ... as with OK/TX, if the raiding conference and their media partner will accept impaired rights for a year or two, then the departing schools can set themselves up to negotiate out of the GOR a year or two early ... for a price.

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(08-17-2021 12:20 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  Allowing Colorado and Utah to vote on expansion matters will block any new teams from coming in.

How so?

(08-16-2021 07:06 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 06:29 PM)YNot Wrote:  Um, the SEC just locked up Texas recruiting by grabbing UT and OU. Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State will now be on the same recruiting level as Houston and UTSA.

And, the SEC already has its own end-of-season ACC alliance, especially with the two that matter - Clemson and Florida State.

ESPN has the rights to Clemson and FSU locked up thru ‘36 and the SEC gains no new eyeballs in South Carolina or Florida by adding either of them. The SEC already now has primacy in recruiting in Texas and Oklahoma, along with Florida, Georgia and Louisiana. If they add anyone, which they shouldn’t, it will be down the road and be UNC & Duke (tied at the hip), Virginia and one of the following: KU, Maryland, VT, or WVU.

But in '36, the Mouse does lose control!! It's important to remember that, and I believe that the B1G is remembering that. Probably why they haven't really made any big offensives yet; there just aren't any out there, right now. But in 2036, the B1G can make a big offensive. And if the B1G commissioner is smart, he would be talking to some members of the SEC too, not just the ACC. And unlike the ACC, the SEC has no GOR. Something else to keep in mind. That could wind up hurting Mickey in the long run, IMO

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(08-21-2021 12:06 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 07:06 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 06:29 PM)YNot Wrote:  Um, the SEC just locked up Texas recruiting by grabbing UT and OU. Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State will now be on the same recruiting level as Houston and UTSA.

And, the SEC already has its own end-of-season ACC alliance, especially with the two that matter - Clemson and Florida State.

ESPN has the rights to Clemson and FSU locked up thru ‘36 and the SEC gains no new eyeballs in South Carolina or Florida by adding either of them. The SEC already now has primacy in recruiting in Texas and Oklahoma, along with Florida, Georgia and Louisiana. If they add anyone, which they shouldn’t, it will be down the road and be UNC & Duke (tied at the hip), Virginia and one of the following: KU, Maryland, VT, or WVU.

But in '36, the Mouse does lose control!! It's important to remember that, and I believe that the B1G is remembering that. Probably why they haven't really made any big offensives yet; there just aren't any out there, right now. But in 2036, the B1G can make a big offensive. And if the B1G commissioner is smart, he would be talking to some members of the SEC too, not just the ACC. And unlike the ACC, the SEC has no GOR. Something else to keep in mind. That could wind up hurting Mickey in the long run, IMO

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2036 is so far away, programs that are Hot today are 1 or 2 coaching changes that could knock top schools to the bottom tier. SEC in 2025 could be so brutal to once powerhouse programs that some might leave for more winnable conferences. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

(08-21-2021 12:06 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 07:06 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 06:29 PM)YNot Wrote:  Um, the SEC just locked up Texas recruiting by grabbing UT and OU. Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State will now be on the same recruiting level as Houston and UTSA.

And, the SEC already has its own end-of-season ACC alliance, especially with the two that matter - Clemson and Florida State.

ESPN has the rights to Clemson and FSU locked up thru ‘36 and the SEC gains no new eyeballs in South Carolina or Florida by adding either of them. The SEC already now has primacy in recruiting in Texas and Oklahoma, along with Florida, Georgia and Louisiana. If they add anyone, which they shouldn’t, it will be down the road and be UNC & Duke (tied at the hip), Virginia and one of the following: KU, Maryland, VT, or WVU.

But in '36, the Mouse does lose control!! It's important to remember that, and I believe that the B1G is remembering that. Probably why they haven't really made any big offensives yet; there just aren't any out there, right now. But in 2036, the B1G can make a big offensive. And if the B1G commissioner is smart, he would be talking to some members of the SEC too, not just the ACC. And unlike the ACC, the SEC has no GOR. Something else to keep in mind. That could wind up hurting Mickey in the long run, IMO

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The SEC has a GoR, and it doesn't expire until 2033.

(08-17-2021 09:32 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 09:18 AM)Eggszecutor Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 07:17 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 07:06 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  ESPN has the rights to Clemson and FSU locked up thru ‘36 and the SEC gains no new eyeballs in South Carolina or Florida by adding either of them. The SEC already now has primacy in recruiting in Texas and Oklahoma, along with Florida, Georgia and Louisiana. If they add anyone, which they shouldn’t, it will be down the road and be UNC & Duke (tied at the hip), Virginia and one of the following: KU, Maryland, VT, or WVU.

ESPN has the rights to Clemson and FSU locked up thru ‘36...so, could they release them as well?

The ACC has the rights to Clemson and FSU locked up thru '36.

Well, through to the early 30's, at least ... as with OK/TX, if the raiding conference and their media partner will accept impaired rights for a year or two, then the departing schools can set themselves up to negotiate out of the GOR a year or two early ... for a price.

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(08-17-2021 12:20 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  Allowing Colorado and Utah to vote on expansion matters will block any new teams from coming in.

How so?

Because expansion will limit their opportunities to play in CA. They were behind the original declination of OU-OKST in 2011. Adding more teams means less access to CA.