(08-22-2021 02:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-22-2021 02:24 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Here is a Magnolia league that could set its own rules:

BC, Duke, WF, Tulane, Vandy, Northwestern, UVa, Rice, Tulsa, Army, Navy, Air Force, and perhaps one or two MAC, or FCS or G5 that come up to meet them like Richmond, Ohio, Miami of Ohio, etc. Perhaps you could get Maroons back on the field, or cajole Emory, Case, or Carnige Mellon.

They would play each other, and might play 2-3 games against old P-4 foes like UNC, NC State, VT, etc., etc.

The word Magnolia is used because it's generally considered to be a southern tree and most of the institutions are nominally in the South.

You left out SMU which was part of the original proposal.

True, I keep forgetting them - I think I forgot one other as well.

(08-22-2021 02:46 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-22-2021 02:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-22-2021 02:24 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Here is a Magnolia league that could set its own rules:

BC, Duke, WF, Tulane, Vandy, Northwestern, UVa, Rice, Tulsa, Army, Navy, Air Force, and perhaps one or two MAC, or FCS or G5 that come up to meet them like Richmond, Ohio, Miami of Ohio, etc. Perhaps you could get Maroons back on the field, or cajole Emory, Case, or Carnige Mellon.

They would play each other, and might play 2-3 games against old P-4 foes like UNC, NC State, VT, etc., etc.

The word Magnolia is used because it's generally considered to be a southern tree and most of the institutions are nominally in the South.

plus

You left out SMU which was part of the original proposal.

True, I keep forgetting them - I think I forgot one other as well.

plus SMU

(08-22-2021 03:06 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-22-2021 02:46 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-22-2021 02:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-22-2021 02:24 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Here is a Magnolia league that could set its own rules:

BC, Duke, WF, Tulane, Vandy, Northwestern, UVa, Rice, Tulsa, Army, Navy, Air Force, and perhaps one or two MAC, or FCS or G5 that come up to meet them like Richmond, Ohio, Miami of Ohio, etc. Perhaps you could get Maroons back on the field, or cajole Emory, Case, or Carnige Mellon.

They would play each other, and might play 2-3 games against old P-4 foes like UNC, NC State, VT, etc., etc.

The word Magnolia is used because it's generally considered to be a southern tree and most of the institutions are nominally in the South.

plus

You left out SMU which was part of the original proposal.

True, I keep forgetting them - I think I forgot one other as well.

plus SMU

So.... would this magnolia league be non-scholarship? Or reduced scholarship FCS? Or would they be facing all the same things the P4 and G6 are facing?

(08-22-2021 10:51 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-22-2021 03:06 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-22-2021 02:46 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-22-2021 02:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-22-2021 02:24 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Here is a Magnolia league that could set its own rules:

BC, Duke, WF, Tulane, Vandy, Northwestern, UVa, Rice, Tulsa, Army, Navy, Air Force, and perhaps one or two MAC, or FCS or G5 that come up to meet them like Richmond, Ohio, Miami of Ohio, etc. Perhaps you could get Maroons back on the field, or cajole Emory, Case, or Carnige Mellon.

They would play each other, and might play 2-3 games against old P-4 foes like UNC, NC State, VT, etc., etc.

The word Magnolia is used because it's generally considered to be a southern tree and most of the institutions are nominally in the South.

plus

You left out SMU which was part of the original proposal.

True, I keep forgetting them - I think I forgot one other as well.

plus SMU

So.... would this magnolia league be non-scholarship? Or reduced scholarship FCS? Or would they be facing all the same things the P4 and G6 are facing?

The original idea of a Southern Ivy conference (or Magnolia if you prefer) was to have a conference of true peers. Whether or not they offer scholarships would be up to the league as long as everyone operated together.

Notre Dame....Then WVU.... The key in the ACC is ND, if they do not join then expansion is off the table....Unless ESPN says you can ADD two team and it will greatly enhance ACC Network distributions and oh buy the way will will re-do your contract becuase teh value of those teams bring in this amount$$$$.....Problem is the only team that does that is Notre Dame.

(08-22-2021 02:08 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Nole - The "Magnolia Conference" was an idea first postulated by the Vanderbilt President back in the 1950's. It was an attempt to play college football without the huge under the table payments and the cheating scandals. Central to the idea was turning UNC in the wake of big payments to football star Choo Choo Justice. However Carolina liked football.

As to you demographic comments. No, 60-40 female to male ratios are not common at top high research universities. In fact they are rare.

Here is a current list of "maleness" by University that plays p-5 football:

61% GT
57% VT, Purdue
53% TAMU
54% Illinois
52% Auburn, NC State
51% Ohio State, Indiana
50% Clemson, Michigan,
49% Tennessee, Duke, Michigan State
47% BC, Pitt, WF
46% Miami, Iowa
45% UVa
44% Bama, Florida
43% FSU
40% UNC

Now, the Ram's Club ptb seem to think UNC's trend toward female students will hurt it's fund raising in the future. Notice I say Ram's Club not Wolfpack Club, but they both agree. Women do not give to sports like men. Long term (meaning from now to the next 40 years) it will make an impact.

Some of the above have radically boosted female enrollment in the last 10-15 years meaning they have not cut back on men. Clemson and Alabama are two examples. Some of these universities have boosted enrollment on the basis of non-football high school grads (otherwise known as Geeks, Eggheads, and 2nd and 3rd Generation Immigrants whose parents and grand parents will beat them to death if they waste time with sports versus studying).

Now as long as you have a billionaire or two or an ancient, large male alumni base, you are fine for the next 20 or so years. But the demographic point is this, as a university becomes more "female" it become less socially tolerant of everything that surrounds football. Good ole boy boosters. Cute Cheerleaders. Athletic misanthropes that can't read. Parasites that suck off the sport.

You are starting to see some of that FSU, a little, not a lot, but you are seeing it.

Well when I was at Illinois I was an electrical engineer. The University of Illinois is well known for electrical engineering and engineering in general and the field of engineering is still predominantly male so schools with popular engineering programs probably will still have a significantly high male to female ratio. Meanwhile I don't see UNC-Chapel Hill even having a College of Engineering or electrical or mechanical engineering majors so it's not surprising to see a really high ratio of females to males there.