Could the ACC's participation in this venture open the door for some of its member schools to exit to another conference with financial penalties lessened or removed?

Or is this a situation where each member school in the three participating conferences has no choice but to go along with this "Stop the SEC" movement whether it agrees with the objectives or not.

Will there be unintended consequences that come from this scheme to stop the 800-pound gorilla?

Wasn't "The Alliance" the failed spring football league founded by Teddy Ebersol with Bill Polian and Steve Spurrier as the biggest names as with him, but ran out of cash in Week 1 only to be bailed out by NHL Hurricanes owner Tom Dundon before he stopped paying for the league's inability to cover costs?

(08-14-2021 07:49 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Could the ACC's participation in this venture open the door for some of its member schools to exit to another conference with financial penalties lessened or removed?

Or is this a situation where each member school in the three participating conferences has no choice but to go along with this "Stop the SEC" movement whether it agrees with the objectives or not.

Will there be unintended consequences that come from this scheme to stop the 800-pound gorilla?

Bear in mind that conference realignment is normally only akin to a game of Risk in the version that plays out on conference message boards.

So, no, the ACC participating in this "coalition of convenience" does not have any impact on the GOR. That is, after all, why they are willing to participate in this talking group for the conference's positions in the NCAA Constitutional Convention and the stakeholder negotiations over the CFP12. This Coalition of Convenience is going to be in the rear view mirror when we hit the time in the early 30s when the ACC GOR is nearing its expiration date and its ability to hold a conference together begins to fade.

And, no, this is not a "Stop the SEC" movement, so whether individual schools would be willing or unwilling to join a "Stop the SEC" movement is a moot point.

And since it is not a scheme to stop the 800-pound gorilla, if there are unintended consequences, they will be unintended consequences from something else.

(08-14-2021 08:25 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-14-2021 07:49 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Could the ACC's participation in this venture open the door for some of its member schools to exit to another conference with financial penalties lessened or removed?

Or is this a situation where each member school in the three participating conferences has no choice but to go along with this "Stop the SEC" movement whether it agrees with the objectives or not.

Will there be unintended consequences that come from this scheme to stop the 800-pound gorilla?

Bear in mind that conference realignment is normally only akin to a game of Risk in the version that plays out on conference message boards.

So, no, the ACC participating in this "coalition of convenience" does not have any impact on the GOR. That is, after all, why they are willing to participate in this talking group for the conference's positions in the NCAA Constitutional Convention and the stakeholder negotiations over the CFP12. This Coalition of Convenience is going to be in the rear view mirror when we hit the time in the early 30s when the ACC GOR is nearing its expiration date and its ability to hold a conference together begins to fade.

And, no, this is not a "Stop the SEC" movement, so whether individual schools would be willing or unwilling to join a "Stop the SEC" movement is a moot point.

And since it is not a scheme to stop the 800-pound gorilla, if there are unintended consequences, they will be unintended consequences from something else.

A quick history of the ACC Grant of Rights ...

2013 - The ACC announces everyone in the conference has signed on to a Grant of Rights extending to 2027.

2016 - The ACC announces it's deal with ESPN to launch the ACC Network, while at the same time it's extension of it's Grant of Right to 2036.


Is it safe to assume that nothing will happen between now and 2031 which would require the ACC to extend it's GoR one more time?

(08-14-2021 08:45 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Is it safe to assume that nothing will happen between now and 2031 which would require the ACC to extend it's GoR one more time?

Man, if they can find a pretext for doing so, I certainly would not put it past them. Now that we see that the period of instability before the expiration of the GOR may be four years rather than the two years commonly expected, those at risk of being left behind will be happy that the grant got extended to 2036.

But each school is agreeing to grant its rights to the conference as a whole for a period of time, so it's not something that can be decided by majority vote, or even supermajority vote. It has to be unanimous. So it's not guaranteed that at the time that there is a pretext for extending it, all members will agree.

(08-14-2021 08:25 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-14-2021 07:49 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Could the ACC's participation in this venture open the door for some of its member schools to exit to another conference with financial penalties lessened or removed?

Or is this a situation where each member school in the three participating conferences has no choice but to go along with this "Stop the SEC" movement whether it agrees with the objectives or not.

Will there be unintended consequences that come from this scheme to stop the 800-pound gorilla?

Bear in mind that conference realignment is normally only akin to a game of Risk in the version that plays out on conference message boards.

So, no, the ACC participating in this "coalition of convenience" does not have any impact on the GOR. That is, after all, why they are willing to participate in this talking group for the conference's positions in the NCAA Constitutional Convention and the stakeholder negotiations over the CFP12. This Coalition of Convenience is going to be in the rear view mirror when we hit the time in the early 30s when the ACC GOR is nearing its expiration date and its ability to hold a conference together begins to fade.

And, no, this is not a "Stop the SEC" movement, so whether individual schools would be willing or unwilling to join a "Stop the SEC" movement is a moot point.

And since it is not a scheme to stop the 800-pound gorilla, if there are unintended consequences, they will be unintended consequences from something else.

Actually real realignment is much more like the Avalon Hill game Diplomacy where moves are literally planned in secret meetings between players and where strategy and execution of plans is paramount and no dice are involved. I agree message boards are more like Risk where petty emotions lead to unmerited attacks and dice decide too much. Anytime a game has dice it's because the intelligence it takes to play it is at a minimum.

So say the scheduling part of this happens and we get 8 ACC-B1G games and 6 ACC-PAC 12 and B1G-PAC 12 out-of-conference games a year. ESPN and the ACC would be presumably be guaranteed the right to air half of the ACC games, but if ESPN doesn’t buy the B1G and PAC rights when they come open, they’d be losing home OOC G5 buy games they could put on the ACC Network and/or ACC-SEC matchups (beyond the end of season rivalries) they’d have the rights to and which would draw big ratings (for instance, Clemson-UGA and Bama-Miami in a couple weeks, or Clemson-Auburn, Clemson-A&M, SCAR-UNC and NCSU, VT-Vols etc.) As long as we don’t get another non-conference UNC-Wake game after this year (yes, it’s happening again in ‘21), anything would likely be an improvement though.

(08-16-2021 08:16 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  ... ESPN and the ACC would be presumably be guaranteed the right to air half of the ACC games, but if ESPN doesn’t buy the B1G and PAC rights when they come open, they’d be losing home OOC G5 buy games they could put on the ACC Network and/or ACC-SEC matchups (beyond the end of season rivalries) they’d have the rights to and which would draw big ratings ...

If its done by all participants increasing their "Power Conference" scheduling quotas by one game, then ESPN only loses the lower value Go5 and FCS buy games ... and they still have them, just not as many.

It would not be too difficult to create a system where half of the "Alliance" OOC games the ACC plays in would be a value upgrade.