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RE: Fall depth chart for football
The new offense is supposedly curing our 'predictability.'
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(08-17-2021 08:45 AM)Ourland Wrote:  The new offense is supposedly curing our 'predictability.'

Gosh, never heard that before in my 59 years as a Rice fan.

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(08-17-2021 08:40 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 08:36 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 08:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I have always prefaced my posts on this years team by saying something like "I am optimistic that with McCaffrey or whoever beats him out at QB we will be improved offensively.

I am still good with that assessment.

How about Jovani in the Wild Owl?

How about we kill the Wild Owl. We have been so predictable in that set, that when we put the sub QB in and lineup in that set, EVERY opposing defense knows what to expect.

How about if, as has been suggested, that would be a time to line up two QBs in the backfield, say Jovani and McCaffrey?
Either can run, either can throw (good enough for Wild Owl situations).

I agree we have been too predictable. The solution is to be less predictable. That is on coaching, not the formation.

Why the two QBs? Seriously. If you have a big QB who can run, and he's the starter, why the heck go with a 2nd QB for the Wild Owl? Sorry, that makes no sense. I understand that when we introduced the formation it was an opportunity to give Luke Turner some snaps, but if you have a guy with the build and running talents of a McCaffrey at QB, why the heck would you go Wild Owl? Don't you want you best QB option, presumably your starter, taking the snap in critical down situations?
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(08-17-2021 08:52 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 08:40 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 08:36 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 08:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I have always prefaced my posts on this years team by saying something like "I am optimistic that with McCaffrey or whoever beats him out at QB we will be improved offensively.

I am still good with that assessment.

How about Jovani in the Wild Owl?

How about we kill the Wild Owl. We have been so predictable in that set, that when we put the sub QB in and lineup in that set, EVERY opposing defense knows what to expect.

How about if, as has been suggested, that would be a time to line up two QBs in the backfield, say Jovani and McCaffrey?
Either can run, either can throw (good enough for Wild Owl situations).

I agree we have been too predictable. The solution is to be less predictable. That is on coaching, not the formation.

Why the two QBs? Seriously. If you have a big QB who can run, and he's the starter, why the heck go with a 2nd QB for the Wild Owl? Sorry, that makes no sense. I understand that when we introduced the formation it was an opportunity to give Luke Turner some snaps, but if you have a guy with the build and running talents of a McCaffrey at QB, why the heck would you go Wild Owl? Don't you want you best QB option, presumably your starter, taking the snap in critical down situations?

For unpredictability?

I am not a coach, nor am I one of those who has enough specialized knowledge to adjudge performance on a technical basis. I tend to go by results. But in my experience, unpredictability is a plus in any head-to-head competition.

Plus, from the viewpoint of the spectator, I think it adds excitement. We have spent a lot of years complaining about how dull and predictable our offenses are. Even "McGuffie up the middle" would have worked better had it been less predictable.
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The days of the Wild Owl are over.
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The Wild Owl hasn’t existed since Larry Edmondson was OC under Bailiff so unclear why we’re still discussing it.
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It's now called the Wild Toss Dive. If they just never, ever run that play again the offense would be better. I'd love to see the stats on it. 6 times a game x 3 seasons = 170ish attempts for some yardage amount tightly approaching 0 from either direction.
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(08-17-2021 12:46 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  The Wild Owl hasn’t existed since Larry Edmondson was OC under Bailiff so unclear why we’re still discussing it.

\I guess I missed the memo.
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(08-17-2021 01:20 PM)mebehutchi Wrote:  It's now called the Wild Toss Dive. If they just never, ever run that play again the offense would be better. I'd love to see the stats on it. 6 times a game x 3 seasons = 170ish attempts for some yardage amount tightly approaching 0 from either direction.

That's one particular play though-different than the package we had specifically installed for Luke Turner.
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(08-17-2021 12:46 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  The Wild Owl hasn’t existed since Larry Edmondson was OC under Bailiff so unclear why we’re still discussing it.

Didn't we run a variation of that in 2019 against UTEP? I seem to recall Jovoni scoring two touchdowns.
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(08-17-2021 04:45 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 12:46 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  The Wild Owl hasn’t existed since Larry Edmondson was OC under Bailiff so unclear why we’re still discussing it.

Didn't we run a variation of that in 2019 against UTEP? I seem to recall Jovoni scoring two touchdowns.

I'm not sure what distinguishes the "Wild Owl" from a designed QB run, haha.

I always took it to be someone playing QB whose primary position was not QB. Depending on the year, Turner worked with the RB or TE groups in practice. As far as I know, Johnson still is a QB even if his strength is running the football.

That said, you are correct he did score twice on QB runs against UTEP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C7Nfs6iSkY
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(08-17-2021 04:56 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 04:45 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 12:46 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  The Wild Owl hasn’t existed since Larry Edmondson was OC under Bailiff so unclear why we’re still discussing it.

Didn't we run a variation of that in 2019 against UTEP? I seem to recall Jovoni scoring two touchdowns.

I'm not sure what distinguishes the "Wild Owl" from a designed QB run, haha.

I always took it to be someone playing QB whose primary position was not QB. Depending on the year, Turner worked with the RB or TE groups in practice. As far as I know, Johnson still is a QB even if his strength is running the football.

That said, you are correct he did score twice on QB runs against UTEP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C7Nfs6iSkY

Okay, here is another then. Juma ran the "Wild Owl" in 2018 against LSU. lol
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(08-17-2021 05:04 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 04:56 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 04:45 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 12:46 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  The Wild Owl hasn’t existed since Larry Edmondson was OC under Bailiff so unclear why we’re still discussing it.

Didn't we run a variation of that in 2019 against UTEP? I seem to recall Jovoni scoring two touchdowns.

I'm not sure what distinguishes the "Wild Owl" from a designed QB run, haha.

I always took it to be someone playing QB whose primary position was not QB. Depending on the year, Turner worked with the RB or TE groups in practice. As far as I know, Johnson still is a QB even if his strength is running the football.

That said, you are correct he did score twice on QB runs against UTEP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C7Nfs6iSkY

Okay, here is another then. Juma ran the "Wild Owl" in 2018 against LSU. lol

LOL! You got me. I suppose we have had a little bit of RB-as-QB since 2014-15.
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(08-17-2021 05:10 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 05:04 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 04:56 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 04:45 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 12:46 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  The Wild Owl hasn’t existed since Larry Edmondson was OC under Bailiff so unclear why we’re still discussing it.

Didn't we run a variation of that in 2019 against UTEP? I seem to recall Jovoni scoring two touchdowns.

I'm not sure what distinguishes the "Wild Owl" from a designed QB run, haha.

I always took it to be someone playing QB whose primary position was not QB. Depending on the year, Turner worked with the RB or TE groups in practice. As far as I know, Johnson still is a QB even if his strength is running the football.

That said, you are correct he did score twice on QB runs against UTEP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C7Nfs6iSkY

Okay, here is another then. Juma ran the "Wild Owl" in 2018 against LSU. lol

LOL! You got me. I suppose we have had a little bit of RB-as-QB since 2014-15.

Haha...no worries. I think to Ourland's point, its tough to see someone like Jovoni Johnson carry a clipboard on the sideline when he might be of some usage offensive. Though, I don't know if WR is his ideal position unless we can bulk him up a bit to play HBack/TE.
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Rice cracks the Top 20 in Coaches Hot Seats

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(08-17-2021 10:12 PM)owl40 Wrote:  Rice cracks the Top 20 in Coaches Hot Seats

https://coacheshotseat.com/

Good. He needs to go. Make it happen or be shown the door.
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I understand from The Roost that Constantine wasn't available for the scrimmage. Any idea what's happening with him?
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(08-17-2021 04:56 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 04:45 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  Didn't we run a variation of that in 2019 against UTEP? I seem to recall Jovoni scoring two touchdowns.

I'm not sure what distinguishes the "Wild Owl" from a designed QB run, haha.

I always took it to be someone playing QB whose primary position was not QB. Depending on the year, Turner worked with the RB or TE groups in practice. As far as I know, Johnson still is a QB even if his strength is running the football.

That said, you are correct he did score twice on QB runs against UTEP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C7Nfs6iSkY

My assumption has always been that the idea of the Wild Owl (or any other team's similar package) is to put in a RB that posed a passing threat or a QB who could power run. We've never utilized it that way, as we've virtually NEVER thrown the ball from that formation. So, Excited 18 is right -- just a designed QB run...
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If Leach gets fired, we should go all out to hire him. Too much fun on multiple levels.

(08-18-2021 08:48 AM)Ourland Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 10:12 PM)owl40 Wrote:  Rice cracks the Top 20 in Coaches Hot Seats

https://coacheshotseat.com/

Good. He needs to go. Make it happen or be shown the door.
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(08-18-2021 05:56 PM)Barney Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 04:56 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 04:45 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  Didn't we run a variation of that in 2019 against UTEP? I seem to recall Jovoni scoring two touchdowns.

I'm not sure what distinguishes the "Wild Owl" from a designed QB run, haha.

I always took it to be someone playing QB whose primary position was not QB. Depending on the year, Turner worked with the RB or TE groups in practice. As far as I know, Johnson still is a QB even if his strength is running the football.

That said, you are correct he did score twice on QB runs against UTEP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C7Nfs6iSkY

My assumption has always been that the idea of the Wild Owl (or any other team's similar package) is to put in a RB that posed a passing threat or a QB who could power run. We've never utilized it that way, as we've virtually NEVER thrown the ball from that formation. So, Excited 18 is right -- just a designed QB run...

Not true. See Thor running the Wild Owl against UH in 2008 (or Luke Turner in the 2013 CUSA Championship game. Unless you mean under Bloomgren.
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