https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach...c03c689e50
Interesting article. Note the caveats:

"...I don’t find TV viewership numbers to be a good way to measure value for a few reasons:
The data can be hard to track down, and streaming numbers aren’t always included.
The time of day and channel make a big impact on viewership numbers, and certain conferences own certain viewing windows. A USC-Oregon game can’t be played in the 3:30 CBS window, because that (currently) belongs to the SEC.
The data can be skewed by outliers. For example, more than 7 million people watched Ohio State beat TCU in 2018. That’s TCU’s most-viewed game of the last five years, by far. But how much of that really had to do with TCU? The Horned Frogs get the benefit of that number, but the game probably would have been viewed by just as many people if you swapped in Baylor or Texas Tech.
Each conference only has so many quality viewing windows, so the lower-end teams in each conference are hurt disproportionally by this metric. For example, Rutgers, Illinois, Missouri and Kentucky rarely ever get to play in one of the Big Ten’s or SEC’s prime windows simply because of the teams they’re competing with for those spots...."


"...If you’re an Oklahoma State or TCU fan holding out hope for a Pac-12 invite, these rankings are something to point to. The Cowboys and Horned Frogs outranked every Pac-12 team except USC.
Same for West Virginia fans hoping for an ACC invite. The Mountaineers outranked every ACC team but Clemson, Florida State and Miami...."

(08-12-2021 06:29 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  The ACC has an almost blueblood in Miami and still have strong programs like UNC and ND affiliation. Plus Pitt has a good history, along with a strong VT program.

Another thing to not discount is the ability of ACC programs to recruit Florida, the number 1 talent free agent.

An ACC without FSU/Clemson could be lead by VT/Miami and even better than BE 1.0 with more depth and no Temple/Rutgers.

(08-12-2021 06:29 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  The ACC has an almost blueblood in Miami and still have strong programs like UNC and ND affiliation. Plus Pitt has a good history, along with a strong VT program.

ND isn’t a football member. Irrelevant to this comparison for on the field.

Miami is easily their best. A fair comparison omits them as well leaving the ACC with 79% of their teams compared to 80% of the Big 12’s.

Both leagues have schools with long histories and solid successes.

(08-12-2021 06:36 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 06:02 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 05:58 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 05:53 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 04:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  More competitive in the national title picture and greater tv value.

National title picture is a landslide for the Big 12 schools. Notre Dame isn't a football member and does not count at all IMO for the ACC.

2011- OkState missed kick from the title game in 2011
2012- KSU went to late november as #1 in 2012. Only lost once.
2013- Baylor went to late november as a title threat in 2013.
2014- Baylor and TCU both had a playoff argument in 2014.
2015- Baylor, TCU, and OSU were unbeaten in early November 2015. Baylor likely makes the playoff if not for injuries to QB1.
2016 - Nobody as everyone lost 2+ times early on. That said OkSt finished ranked a spot above the ACC's contender UL.
2017- TCU made it to November ranked 6th before losing to OU. Had they won out they make the playoff.
2018- WVU was 9th prior to 11/17 loss to OkSt. Finished 16th.
2019 Baylor was one play away from making the playoff.
2020- Closest one was ISU who lost twice early. It's another year like 2016 where you don't have a clear contender but who you happen to have is still outpacing the ACC's non-FSU/Clemson highest ranked threat.

That is 7 of the past 10 years with at least 1 potential contender.

ACC minus their big 2? Not as strong despite divisional play boosting records and four more schools.

2011- Virginia Tech made it to the ACC title game as #5. Likely first one out in playoff era. First ACC12 contender
2012- UL made it to 11/10 as an unbeaten and 11/24 as a 1 loss. Possible contender #2.
2013- Miami lost 3x in November but technically counts as a weaker contender as they made it to #7 in the BCS. 3 blowout losses make this one more iffy IMO. That said then-AAC member UL went 11-1 so technically might count although they never got higher than 18th in the BCS.
2014- Nobody in the top 12 or with fewer than 3 losses.
2015- Nobody other than the Big 2 was ranked in the CFP rankings at the end.
2016 UL was one potential contender that made it to mid November.
2017- Miami was a late year contender before Pitt & Clemson ended it.
2018- 9-3 Syracuse was the next best ranking at 20th.
2019- UVA at 24th was the next highest ranked. None of the remaining ACC schools cracked the top ten of any CFP poll.
2020- Miami was 10th into November but finished 18th. UNC never got higher than 13th.

That is 5 potential contenders and multiple years with nobody even in striking distance. Also three of the worst years for the remaining 8 had them ahead of any ACC threat not named FSU or Clemson. Also you have 3 years where they aren't even close while the Big 12 has teams in contention.

The ACC has better depth than given credit for but the Big 12's remaining 8 literally had most of the decade where one game seperated teams from BCS title or playoff berths and in multiple years had multiple contenders.

The OT didn’t state football. I assumed it was the whole slate of sports.

1- Football drives realignment
2- The Big 12 has been better in RPI over the last decade in hoops. Baylor won a title, Tech almost did, and KU has been a constant threat for one.

I’m not sure I’d compare basketball success between the two as even close. Since the CFP era began, the ACC has 3 national titles (Duke, North Carolina, Virginia) compared to XII’s single title (Baylor).

One different foul call on UVA Vs Tech and it’s 2-2 instead of 3-1.

Better top to bottom RPi on the Big 12’s side helps the debate.

Quote:Regardless, both will be in deep doodoo in football if Clemson and Florida St leave the ACC.

Miami, VT, and a revolving door of solid programs behind them would make it competitive but it would be a huge brand hit.

(08-12-2021 05:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 04:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  Better in what way?

Better-looking alumni.

I'd go straight for a TCU girl. The talent in Ft. Worth, TX is just straight up fire y'all.

(08-12-2021 05:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Better in what sense?

TV and Brand ............. ACC easily

Basketball ................. ACC barely

Football ..................... L8 clearly

No good conference lets one member win the regular season title 13 years in a row (Kansas 2006-2018).

L8 will not be a top football conference without facing the top brands. Everyone member will have drop offs. With the right additions however, it can eventually be better in football than the ACC minus just Clemson. I think UCF has every bit the chance to compete for a final four or national title in 10 years in the Big 12. Same with UC. Once Saban and Dabo dynasties end.