(08-10-2021 03:37 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The K State AD is basically saying Texas and Oklahoma are not going anywhere until the GOR runs out, and no plans to push them out early. The money in the Big 12 media contract and the GOR is just too much for anyone to do otherwise.

It also makes sense. You can tell your coaches that nothing changes for the incoming Freshmen they will be competing against Texas and Oklahoma for the next four years. The Big 12 has until March 2023 (19½ months) to invite any AAC school without them having to pay extra to buy out given the 27 month notice requirement. Similarly BYU can doesn't have to unwind their football schedule except starting in 2025. And it can hold because there is no rush to bring anyone in before Texas and Oklahoma leave. Plenty of time to work with media consultants to figure things out.

It's boring for realignment fans like us, but that's the way it is.

I agree, if the PAC12 & BIG12 do not merge it will be interesting at who the BIG12 decide to add? Is it 2 schools or 4 schools? Going to be interesting next 20 months.

I think it’s obvious at this point the Big XII isn’t rushing to replace the schools leaving. They don’t fear any of the remaining members have anywhere else to go. This is different than when Maryland left the ACC and a revenue monster like Louisville was immediately brought in as a hired gun.

(08-10-2021 08:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  I think it’s obvious at this point the Big XII isn’t rushing to replace the schools leaving. They don’t fear any of the remaining members have anywhere else to go. This is different than when Maryland left the ACC and a revenue monster like Louisville was immediately brought in as a hired gun.

It’s only different in that the ACC thought the poaching would continue either by the B1G or SEC. They took UL to stem the bleeding, but obviously losing Maryland was a blow. You can be sure they’d act quickly if they lost a Clemson or FSU.

I think they are just biding their time to ensure they collect as much of the GoR money they can get. Once the penalties for premature termination are settled, you can be sure they will extend invitations to at least +2.

(08-10-2021 07:35 AM)ken d Wrote:  One more small change could stabilize everything in the top 6 conferences. If the Big 12 were to just add Cincinnati it would take them to 9, giving them a balanced 8 game schedule plus a solid basketball add. It would take the AAC down to 10, which is more stable than their current unbalanced situation, and which keeps both their Texas schools in the fold. They would still be the favorite most years to get the 6th autobid in the proposed 6-6 CFP model. They could use two five team divisions to keep their schedule at 8 games, which is necessary to retain Navy (which has three committed OOC games every year).

Then CUSA split?

(08-10-2021 08:25 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  I think it’s obvious at this point the Big XII isn’t rushing to replace the schools leaving. They don’t fear any of the remaining members have anywhere else to go. This is different than when Maryland left the ACC and a revenue monster like Louisville was immediately brought in as a hired gun.

It’s only different in that the ACC thought the poaching would continue either by the B1G or SEC. They took UL to stem the bleeding, but obviously losing Maryland was a blow. You can be sure they’d act quickly if they lost a Clemson or FSU.

I think they are just biding their time to ensure they collect as much of the GoR money they can get. Once the penalties for premature termination are settled, you can be sure they will extend invitations to at least +2.

Louisville was chosen to prevent Clemson and FSU from leaving. Otherwise the old guard wanted UConn.

(08-10-2021 08:37 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 07:35 AM)ken d Wrote:  One more small change could stabilize everything in the top 6 conferences. If the Big 12 were to just add Cincinnati it would take them to 9, giving them a balanced 8 game schedule plus a solid basketball add. It would take the AAC down to 10, which is more stable than their current unbalanced situation, and which keeps both their Texas schools in the fold. They would still be the favorite most years to get the 6th autobid in the proposed 6-6 CFP model. They could use two five team divisions to keep their schedule at 8 games, which is necessary to retain Navy (which has three committed OOC games every year).

Then CUSA split?

Last time I looked, CUSA wasn't one of the top six conferences. They wouldn't be affected at all by a move by Cincinnati, and could do anything they could already do.

(08-10-2021 08:57 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:25 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  I think it’s obvious at this point the Big XII isn’t rushing to replace the schools leaving. They don’t fear any of the remaining members have anywhere else to go. This is different than when Maryland left the ACC and a revenue monster like Louisville was immediately brought in as a hired gun.

It’s only different in that the ACC thought the poaching would continue either by the B1G or SEC. They took UL to stem the bleeding, but obviously losing Maryland was a blow. You can be sure they’d act quickly if they lost a Clemson or FSU.

I think they are just biding their time to ensure they collect as much of the GoR money they can get. Once the penalties for premature termination are settled, you can be sure they will extend invitations to at least +2.

Louisville was chosen to prevent Clemson and FSU from leaving. Otherwise the old guard wanted UConn.

I think you guys actually agree with each other - a key difference between the L8 now and the ACC in 2012 is that the ACC feared, and may have had good reason to fear, further poaching of key schools might take place.

The L8 on the other hand probably has found out by now that no other P conferences are interested in any of them.

The 2012 ACC had some valuable members, some P-level members who might have found a home in the B1G, SEC or Big 12. The L8 just doesn't seem to have that 'problem'.

(08-10-2021 10:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:57 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:25 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  I think it’s obvious at this point the Big XII isn’t rushing to replace the schools leaving. They don’t fear any of the remaining members have anywhere else to go. This is different than when Maryland left the ACC and a revenue monster like Louisville was immediately brought in as a hired gun.

It’s only different in that the ACC thought the poaching would continue either by the B1G or SEC. They took UL to stem the bleeding, but obviously losing Maryland was a blow. You can be sure they’d act quickly if they lost a Clemson or FSU.

I think they are just biding their time to ensure they collect as much of the GoR money they can get. Once the penalties for premature termination are settled, you can be sure they will extend invitations to at least +2.

Louisville was chosen to prevent Clemson and FSU from leaving. Otherwise the old guard wanted UConn.

I think you guys actually agree with each other - a key difference between the L8 now and the ACC in 2012 is that the ACC feared, and may have had good reason to fear, further poaching of key schools might take place.

The L8 on the other hand probably has found out by now that no other P conferences are interested in any of them.

The 2012 ACC had some valuable members, some P-level members who might have found a home in the B1G, SEC or Big 12. The L8 just doesn't seem to have that 'problem'.

They are the Big 8 or XII 8. L8 is a belittling name.

(08-10-2021 10:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:57 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:25 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  I think it’s obvious at this point the Big XII isn’t rushing to replace the schools leaving. They don’t fear any of the remaining members have anywhere else to go. This is different than when Maryland left the ACC and a revenue monster like Louisville was immediately brought in as a hired gun.

It’s only different in that the ACC thought the poaching would continue either by the B1G or SEC. They took UL to stem the bleeding, but obviously losing Maryland was a blow. You can be sure they’d act quickly if they lost a Clemson or FSU.

I think they are just biding their time to ensure they collect as much of the GoR money they can get. Once the penalties for premature termination are settled, you can be sure they will extend invitations to at least +2.

Louisville was chosen to prevent Clemson and FSU from leaving. Otherwise the old guard wanted UConn.

I think you guys actually agree with each other - a key difference between the L8 now and the ACC in 2012 is that the ACC feared, and may have had good reason to fear, further poaching of key schools might take place.

The L8 on the other hand probably has found out by now that no other P conferences are interested in any of them.

The 2012 ACC had some valuable members, some P-level members who might have found a home in the B1G, SEC or Big 12. The L8 just doesn't seem to have that 'problem'.

They are the Big 8 or XII 8. L8 is a belittling name.

Just the 8. Whether Big, Little, or Orphaned is yet to be determined. I think 4 of them find a home once Texas and Oklahoma settle, or they do. Right now the PAC which ultimately needs more inventory and time slots could find a use for Kansas and a few more. They just want the transition to be difficult like a lot of folks.

(08-10-2021 07:35 AM)ken d Wrote:  One more small change could stabilize everything in the top 6 conferences. If the Big 12 were to just add Cincinnati

Except: The job of the Big 12 remainers is not to bring about peace and harmony among all conferences; their job is to do what is best for their 8 universities.

(08-10-2021 08:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  I think it’s obvious at this point the Big XII isn’t rushing to replace the schools leaving. They don’t fear any of the remaining members have anywhere else to go. This is different than when Maryland left the ACC and a revenue monster like Louisville was immediately brought in as a hired gun.

Exactly ... FSU and Clemson were like, "if you don't add to improve Football, we are not signing any long term GOR", and in the atmosphere where an exit of FSU and Clemson was a real possibility, that threat had very real weight.

Nobody in the Remaining Eight is saying, "you have to add X, Y or Z, or we could well LEAVE!". If they have a P5 conference to go to, they are already gone, no matter which AAC or MWC school the R8 add, and if they don't, there is nowhere better to go than where they presently are.

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(08-10-2021 11:09 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 07:35 AM)ken d Wrote:  One more small change could stabilize everything in the top 6 conferences. If the Big 12 were to just add Cincinnati

Except: The job of the Big 12 remainers is not to bring about peace and harmony among all conferences; their job is to do what is best for their 8 universities.

And after the recent allegations, while the ones who would be left behind may wish for no more movements in the top five conferences, their concern for stability in the "sixth conference" could well have a negative value.

(08-10-2021 10:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Just the 8. Whether Big, Little, or Orphaned is yet to be determined. I think 4 of them find a home once Texas and Oklahoma settle, or they do. Right now the PAC which ultimately needs more inventory and time slots could find a use for Kansas and a few more. They just want the transition to be difficult like a lot of folks.

I also thought the PAC would be more receptive to the idea than what turned out, but it looks as though it was all the lip service. KU on an island just isn’t worth it. Then you’re looking at OSU and TTech as the next best things? That’s probably how they looked at it.

I think everyone is better off with a solid Midwest conference. Tired of these coast to coast conferences. The L8 should be very stable going forward given their geography and lack of a big football brand/name. There are only two schools that have realistic shots at a P5 and that’s KU with another noteworthy partner for the B1G. The same goes for WVU or UC to the ACC. ND unlikely to do anything any time soon. Things should cool off for a while once the L8 round of the rest of the league, whatever that is to be.

(08-10-2021 10:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:57 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:25 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  I think it’s obvious at this point the Big XII isn’t rushing to replace the schools leaving. They don’t fear any of the remaining members have anywhere else to go. This is different than when Maryland left the ACC and a revenue monster like Louisville was immediately brought in as a hired gun.

It’s only different in that the ACC thought the poaching would continue either by the B1G or SEC. They took UL to stem the bleeding, but obviously losing Maryland was a blow. You can be sure they’d act quickly if they lost a Clemson or FSU.

I think they are just biding their time to ensure they collect as much of the GoR money they can get. Once the penalties for premature termination are settled, you can be sure they will extend invitations to at least +2.

Louisville was chosen to prevent Clemson and FSU from leaving. Otherwise the old guard wanted UConn.

I think you guys actually agree with each other - a key difference between the L8 now and the ACC in 2012 is that the ACC feared, and may have had good reason to fear, further poaching of key schools might take place.

The L8 on the other hand probably has found out by now that no other P conferences are interested in any of them.

The 2012 ACC had some valuable members, some P-level members who might have found a home in the B1G, SEC or Big 12. The L8 just doesn't seem to have that 'problem'.

They are the Big 8 or XII 8. L8 is a belittling name.

I'm typically using the "Remaining Eight" or "R8." I agree with you on the "L8" usage being a bit insulting.

(08-10-2021 10:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:57 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:25 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  I think it’s obvious at this point the Big XII isn’t rushing to replace the schools leaving. They don’t fear any of the remaining members have anywhere else to go. This is different than when Maryland left the ACC and a revenue monster like Louisville was immediately brought in as a hired gun.

It’s only different in that the ACC thought the poaching would continue either by the B1G or SEC. They took UL to stem the bleeding, but obviously losing Maryland was a blow. You can be sure they’d act quickly if they lost a Clemson or FSU.

I think they are just biding their time to ensure they collect as much of the GoR money they can get. Once the penalties for premature termination are settled, you can be sure they will extend invitations to at least +2.

Louisville was chosen to prevent Clemson and FSU from leaving. Otherwise the old guard wanted UConn.

I think you guys actually agree with each other - a key difference between the L8 now and the ACC in 2012 is that the ACC feared, and may have had good reason to fear, further poaching of key schools might take place.

The L8 on the other hand probably has found out by now that no other P conferences are interested in any of them.

The 2012 ACC had some valuable members, some P-level members who might have found a home in the B1G, SEC or Big 12. The L8 just doesn't seem to have that 'problem'.

They are the Big 8 or XII 8. L8 is a belittling name.

Well to me "L8" works best for me, is most descriptive. Be-Littling? I guess. That's what the "L" stands for, LOL.

(08-10-2021 10:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:57 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:25 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 08:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  I think it’s obvious at this point the Big XII isn’t rushing to replace the schools leaving. They don’t fear any of the remaining members have anywhere else to go. This is different than when Maryland left the ACC and a revenue monster like Louisville was immediately brought in as a hired gun.

It’s only different in that the ACC thought the poaching would continue either by the B1G or SEC. They took UL to stem the bleeding, but obviously losing Maryland was a blow. You can be sure they’d act quickly if they lost a Clemson or FSU.

I think they are just biding their time to ensure they collect as much of the GoR money they can get. Once the penalties for premature termination are settled, you can be sure they will extend invitations to at least +2.

Louisville was chosen to prevent Clemson and FSU from leaving. Otherwise the old guard wanted UConn.

I think you guys actually agree with each other - a key difference between the L8 now and the ACC in 2012 is that the ACC feared, and may have had good reason to fear, further poaching of key schools might take place.

The L8 on the other hand probably has found out by now that no other P conferences are interested in any of them.

The 2012 ACC had some valuable members, some P-level members who might have found a home in the B1G, SEC or Big 12. The L8 just doesn't seem to have that 'problem'.

They are the Big 8 or XII 8. L8 is a belittling name.

Totally agree and just posted about this! Especially considering their attendance in both major sports dwarfs that of fans using the derogatory monikers.

(08-10-2021 06:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 06:08 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Sounds like wishful thinking by the Kansas AD aka Pollyana.

IIRC it's the Kansas State AD, but sure, he's making a pitch: If you believe your school isn't getting a call-up, then it is in your interest to "keep the gang together".

Well, that’s obviously true. However, who else is getting raided from that league? I think there was a number floating around last week thst Oklahoma and Texas are responsible for something with 80% of that conference’s media rights.

What do any of the remaining schools bring from a revenue standpoint?

Kansas obviously has a phenomenal basketball program and an amazing tradition. However, if we’ve learned anything from past rounds of expansion, that doesn’t mean anything. Connecticut basketball was just as prominent as Kansas basketball over the past generation and they were left in the dust.

West Virginia is not going to the ACC. Personally, I would love to see it but it’s not going to happen. Kansas isn’t getting called up to the Big Ten. There’s no real television market there and the Jayhawks football program stinks basically every year.

I guess there’s an outside chance that the Texas schools and Oklahoma State join the Pac 12, but that seems unlikely too. I think KSU’s AD is probably right.

In following this issue for a number of years now, I think the most likely scenario is the most conservative scenario and the most obvious scenarios.

I think the remaining B12 schools likely are stuck with each other and probably should work together. I also think it is MUCH more likely that schools like Houston, Cincinnati and UCF will join them than it is those schools will join another league.

(08-11-2021 08:39 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 06:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 06:08 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Sounds like wishful thinking by the Kansas AD aka Pollyana.

IIRC it's the Kansas State AD, but sure, he's making a pitch: If you believe your school isn't getting a call-up, then it is in your interest to "keep the gang together".

Well, that’s obviously true. However, who else is getting raided from that league? I think there was a number floating around last week thst Oklahoma and Texas are responsible for something with 80% of that conference’s media rights.

What do any of the remaining schools bring from a revenue standpoint?

Kansas obviously has a phenomenal basketball program and an amazing tradition. However, if we’ve learned anything from past rounds of expansion, that doesn’t mean anything. Connecticut basketball was just as prominent as Kansas basketball over the past generation and they were left in the dust.

West Virginia is not going to the ACC. Personally, I would love to see it but it’s not going to happen. Kansas isn’t getting called up to the Big Ten. There’s no real television market there and the Jayhawks football program stinks basically every year.

I guess there’s an outside chance that the Texas schools and Oklahoma State join the Pac 12, but that seems unlikely too. I think KSU’s AD is probably right.

In following this issue for a number of years now, I think the most likely scenario is the most conservative scenario and the most obvious scenarios.

I think the remaining B12 schools likely are stuck with each other and probably should work together. I also think it is MUCH more likely that schools like Houston, Cincinnati and UCF will join them than it is those schools will join another league.

If BYU passes, or gets passed over the B-12 goes to 12 with Cinn, Houston, UCF, and USF. UCF and USF bring in some Florida recruiting. Also thinking - wouldn't the B-12 take a pass on Houston if BYU takes the bait. The B-12 already has 3 Texas schools so why would they take another. Does Houston guarantee a better TV package for the B-12 if they make the cut. Houston would probably be taken over Memphis at any rate. At any rate the Little 8 return the conference to 12 if forced to stay together with 4 of the usually mentioned subjects - BYU, Cinn, Houston, UCF, USF, and Memphis bringing up a distant rear in the replacement order.

I think this set up would make a nice conference and separate itself from the competitors

Big 14

N: Colorado state, Ok state, K state, Kansas, Iowa state, Cincinnati, wvu

S: Texas tech, Baylor, Tcu, Houston, Memphis, ucf, USF

Football only to BYU and Navy or temple/uconn

Here is how I look at it.

ESPN is not paying all that money not to shove the SEC down everyone’s throats morning, noon at night. Therefore, I actually think western time zone teams are going to be very important than they have been in expansions past. I think that puts the Pac 12 in a better position than people think and I think it also could encourage the revised Big 12 to look west for more than one of its newest members

(08-11-2021 09:11 AM)panite Wrote:  ...Also thinking - wouldn't the B-12 take a pass on Houston if BYU takes the bait. The B-12 already has 3 Texas schools so why would they take another. Does Houston guarantee a better TV package for the B-12 if they make the cut. Houston would probably be taken over Memphis at any rate....

The Big 12 heavily relies on Texas recruiting. It had 4 Texas schools and is losing the biggest of them all.

Houston sits in a huge recruiting area and will help deliver recruits to the Big 12. I believe Houston is higher up in the Big 12 realignment order than many predict.

I also think matchups like Kansas State-Houston, Oklahoma State-Houston, and Baylor-Houston would attract more casual college football fans and deliver better TV ratings than most of the other candidates in those same matchups.