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(08-07-2021 12:42 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  I get that ppl are biased but idk how people will blatantly ignore the small bit of information we actually have only to add their completely speculative spin. Usually that spin ends up with some nice, neat scenario that fits perfectly in their head (4 16 team conferences or the now popular 2 mega conferences). I’m biased as a Houston fan. I’ll be honest about that and this post is in response to some of the things I’ve read about Houston.

1. When the original AAC contract was drafted (by NBC I believe and espn then matched) the tv deal was split into 4 tier A schools and 6 tier b schools. The tier A schools were UConnn, Houston, Temple, and Cincinnati. When the Big 12 did their dog and pony show 5 years ago hired a consulting firm to run the numbers and according to them the two most valuable additions would be BYU and Houston.

2. If Texas is gone then Houston is NOT a duplicate market. Idk where this myth comes from that UT, aggy, and LSU get more media coverage in Houston but that is 100% false and anyone propagating that lie has no credibility. Go look at the chronicle or stream a local news station if you think otherwise. For those of you that don’t know anything about Texas geography and culture here is another fact: tcu, Baylor and tech have NO PRESENCE in the city of Houston. Those 3 schools are about to have a very difficult time recruiting in Houston once UT leaves.

3. Television ratings for g5 schools are fleeting. If you want to compare tv ratings then compare them at a time when each school was doing well so you can judge their ceilings. You can even compare the down years as well to get an even more accurate read. When programs are being judged on value I doubt they’re compared on such a surface level. I don’t even think it’s fair to compare the ratings of a top g5 program to say a KState unless you’re comparing KState’s ratings during a year in which they were equally as good.

Baylor does have presence in Houston. Now TCU and Tech are pretty minimal. But Baylor is probably on a par with LSU and well behind Texas, A&M and UH.
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(08-06-2021 10:41 PM)46566 Wrote:  Houston, Cincinnati, Temple Memphis for me. I think Temple and Cincinnati to the north. It keeps the Kansas schools together in the North. Honestly temple fits in over UCF because I needed a north team and Temple is even with UCF in basketball but under UCF in football.

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, you are gonzaga fan, basketball IS your college sport, you have to be trolling temple and ucf arent in the same universe when it comes to basketball. In case you were serious please see the following:

Tourney apperances:
UCF 5, Temple 33 (Temple has danced more times in the last 11 years then UCF in its entire history)
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UCF literally zero, temple 7
Final Fours:
UCF ..... Temple 2

This would be akin to saying like wake forest and Duke are equal in basketball
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I think people assume USF would tag along with ucf but the FL schools are used to being on islands and flying everywhere, and TX to FL isnt really far when you can fly over the gulf
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(08-07-2021 09:21 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  BYU
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AAC already made their bed

What bed is that? A decade of being the best G5 league? And borderline challenging the Big12 and PAC-12 in success? Subtracting out Texas and OU, it’s already been proven that the AAC is right on par with the left over 8 in every way. This is why it’s baffling they stick their noses up at the AAC. If the 2 leagues go forward and stay untouched. The AAC will be the healthier and more successful league.
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(08-07-2021 09:28 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  
(08-07-2021 09:21 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  BYU
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AAC already made their bed

What bed is that? A decade of being the best G5 league? And borderline challenging the Big12 and PAC-12 in success? Subtracting out Texas and OU, it’s already been proven that the AAC is right on par with the left over 8 in every way. This is why it’s baffling they stick their noses up at the AAC. If the 2 leagues go forward and stay untouched. The AAC will be the healthier and more successful league.

Dawgxas knows this. Why even waste your time posting this?

And for that matter ... why I'm I wasting my time posting this in response to your response?
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(08-07-2021 02:33 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  
(08-07-2021 11:07 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  For starters, adding Houston would've put the Big XII with 5 Texas schools which is way too many for a conference. One thing people forget is how bad some of those schools were at the time when these decisions were made. For example, I often read how Rice, SMU, TCU and Houston were better choices than Baylor when the decision to join the Big Eight to create the Big XII effective in 1996 was made in 1994. When the Big XII decided to expand in the fall of 2011, West Virginia was head and shoulders above Houston in every category. Houston still played at Robertson Stadium and their basketball arena was old. The fan support was (and still is) anemic and they just lost their football coach to Texas A&M. A better argument was if Louisville and even Cincinnati were better choices than WVU but even then, WVU was the better choice at the end.

Well, when the Big XII was formed, it was supposed to be with 10 schools: Texas and Texas A&M.

But half the Texas state government was Baylor grads. The state threatened to slash funding to UT and TAMU if they didn't tell the Big 8 that Baylor had to come with. Tech got the 12th spot by being on the other side of the state and not in a city that UT/TAMU wanted to dominate recruiting in.

Not entirely accurate.

Tech and BU had a lot of legislators on their side. Most notable was Lt. gov Bob Bullock- tech grad and baylor law grad.

BOTH had to use heavy legislative pull to get in.
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(08-07-2021 01:18 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  
(08-07-2021 12:39 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Process of elimination:

I rule out Houston because 1) they are in Texas and add no new market, cannibalize recruiting, 2) they have the worst TV ratings of all the choices --and it's not really close. I rule out UCF because Kansas would reject their Basketball program. Memphis was rejected by these Presidents 5 years ago, what has changed with what they didn't like?

It's thus BYU and then Cincy. If one says no, then Memphis and Houston have to be reconsidered, because Basketball is so critical for the 10th school.

None of them are perfect - though Cinci is close.

BYU: Their cultural issues / stance on LGBTQ is not going to fly with KU (for one). The Sunday thing is a roadblock but not a deal breaker. Their relationship to ESPN is such that they only join the B12 if ESPN wants to save the B12 (they don't). No BYU.

HOUSTON: They are in a Top 5 TV market nationally (Houston area) and a Top 10 recruiting area (SE Texas). It doesn't matter they already have Baylor down there, being IN Houston itself, a hotbed of FB and BB talent, makes up for any drawbacks. Also, the B12 needs another TX program to compete with A&M and TX and the SEC. Houston will be in with Cinci.

As far as the other possibilities:

UCF: They (with USF travel partner) are the ones who bring completely new eyeballs AND recruiting areas (FL) to the B12 - which puts them in the state to compete for players with the SEC and ACC. For this reason, if they eventually go to 12, the FL schools will be in.

MEMPHIS: They are still pretty significantly lagging B12 quality in terms of academics, facilities and endowment. I don't see them getting an "add" unless KU and/or ISU go to B1G and the PAC poaches. At that point though the remaining B12 schools would be merging with the AAC.

TULANE: Their academics would be a real prize, and if the B12 didn't already feature Baylor I would say they may want them for their Duke/Vanderbilt type school. But... their facilities are completely inferior and they have a small fanbase. They would need a decade to build up to even be close to B12 levels - they would go 1-11 or 0-12 every year (they do get to play Kansas, so there's a win).

Most likely invitees not talked about enough:

COLORADO STATE: Academics, enrollment, endowment, no different than KSU or OSU. I believe in a P5 conf they'd get good fast and improve recruiting significantly (desirable location, etc). CO is a market the B12 would like to get back into and despite CO being in the PAC, the eastern slope is really B12 country going way back. Would be in a 14 team B12.

TEMPLE: With Cinci and WV, not really a travel problem. Great academics, great endowment, new market/eyeballs (Philly), gets the B12 into the NE influencer corridor, they're ready for P5 competition and would be as good in B12 as Rutgers is in B1G. Travel to and from major cities is a lot easier than going to KSU or ISU or even Morgantown -- a flight from Houston to Phillie, door to door for the team, is probably shorter time wise than a trip from Ames, IA to Lubbock. Would be in a 16 team B12.

RICE: The other Private like Tulane, geographically perfectly placed, amazing endowment and academics and you'd think in a P5 conf would compete on the level of Vandy or Wake. If they got desperate for a 16th member to fill things out, this wouldn't surprise me that much.

Teams that are never ever going to be in the B12:

BOISE ST: They were a Jr College and the academic college Presidents can't forget. Also the travel is horrific, there are no eyeballs or players to recruit in Idaho. It simply makes no sense.

AIR FORCE: They have said repeatedly they do not want their specialty recruits having to play P5 competition every week.

TULSA: A worse version of Memphis.

ARIZONA/ARIZONA STATE: Are not leaving the Pac for this mess.

COLORADO/NEBRASKA: If the B12 could convince these two to join they'd easily save the conference. Not happening.

Re: Memphis, you have no idea what you are talking about as far as facilities go.
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(08-07-2021 11:19 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(08-07-2021 01:18 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  
(08-07-2021 12:39 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Process of elimination:

I rule out Houston because 1) they are in Texas and add no new market, cannibalize recruiting, 2) they have the worst TV ratings of all the choices --and it's not really close. I rule out UCF because Kansas would reject their Basketball program. Memphis was rejected by these Presidents 5 years ago, what has changed with what they didn't like?

It's thus BYU and then Cincy. If one says no, then Memphis and Houston have to be reconsidered, because Basketball is so critical for the 10th school.

None of them are perfect - though Cinci is close.

BYU: Their cultural issues / stance on LGBTQ is not going to fly with KU (for one). The Sunday thing is a roadblock but not a deal breaker. Their relationship to ESPN is such that they only join the B12 if ESPN wants to save the B12 (they don't). No BYU.

HOUSTON: They are in a Top 5 TV market nationally (Houston area) and a Top 10 recruiting area (SE Texas). It doesn't matter they already have Baylor down there, being IN Houston itself, a hotbed of FB and BB talent, makes up for any drawbacks. Also, the B12 needs another TX program to compete with A&M and TX and the SEC. Houston will be in with Cinci.

As far as the other possibilities:

UCF: They (with USF travel partner) are the ones who bring completely new eyeballs AND recruiting areas (FL) to the B12 - which puts them in the state to compete for players with the SEC and ACC. For this reason, if they eventually go to 12, the FL schools will be in.

MEMPHIS: They are still pretty significantly lagging B12 quality in terms of academics, facilities and endowment. I don't see them getting an "add" unless KU and/or ISU go to B1G and the PAC poaches. At that point though the remaining B12 schools would be merging with the AAC.

TULANE: Their academics would be a real prize, and if the B12 didn't already feature Baylor I would say they may want them for their Duke/Vanderbilt type school. But... their facilities are completely inferior and they have a small fanbase. They would need a decade to build up to even be close to B12 levels - they would go 1-11 or 0-12 every year (they do get to play Kansas, so there's a win).

Most likely invitees not talked about enough:

COLORADO STATE: Academics, enrollment, endowment, no different than KSU or OSU. I believe in a P5 conf they'd get good fast and improve recruiting significantly (desirable location, etc). CO is a market the B12 would like to get back into and despite CO being in the PAC, the eastern slope is really B12 country going way back. Would be in a 14 team B12.

TEMPLE: With Cinci and WV, not really a travel problem. Great academics, great endowment, new market/eyeballs (Philly), gets the B12 into the NE influencer corridor, they're ready for P5 competition and would be as good in B12 as Rutgers is in B1G. Travel to and from major cities is a lot easier than going to KSU or ISU or even Morgantown -- a flight from Houston to Phillie, door to door for the team, is probably shorter time wise than a trip from Ames, IA to Lubbock. Would be in a 16 team B12.

RICE: The other Private like Tulane, geographically perfectly placed, amazing endowment and academics and you'd think in a P5 conf would compete on the level of Vandy or Wake. If they got desperate for a 16th member to fill things out, this wouldn't surprise me that much.

Teams that are never ever going to be in the B12:

BOISE ST: They were a Jr College and the academic college Presidents can't forget. Also the travel is horrific, there are no eyeballs or players to recruit in Idaho. It simply makes no sense.

AIR FORCE: They have said repeatedly they do not want their specialty recruits having to play P5 competition every week.

TULSA: A worse version of Memphis.

ARIZONA/ARIZONA STATE: Are not leaving the Pac for this mess.

COLORADO/NEBRASKA: If the B12 could convince these two to join they'd easily save the conference. Not happening.

Re: Memphis, you have no idea what you are talking about as far as facilities go.

Agree, G-Snooker. Some folks think you have to have "on-campus" facilities to be relevant. Look at the various quality athletics programs (and some in P5 leagues, no less) that don't.
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(08-07-2021 01:18 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  HOUSTON: They are in a Top 5 TV market nationally (Houston area) and a Top 10 recruiting area (SE Texas). It doesn't matter they already have Baylor down there, being IN Houston itself, a hotbed of FB and BB talent, makes up for any drawbacks. Also, the B12 needs another TX program to compete with A&M and TX and the SEC. Houston will be in with Cinci.

And note that Baylor is halfway between DFW and Austin ... it's just about due south of Fort Worth, so it is literally WEST of Dallas.



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(08-07-2021 01:18 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  
(08-07-2021 12:39 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Process of elimination:

I rule out Houston because 1) they are in Texas and add no new market, cannibalize recruiting, 2) they have the worst TV ratings of all the choices --and it's not really close. I rule out UCF because Kansas would reject their Basketball program. Memphis was rejected by these Presidents 5 years ago, what has changed with what they didn't like?

It's thus BYU and then Cincy. If one says no, then Memphis and Houston have to be reconsidered, because Basketball is so critical for the 10th school.

None of them are perfect - though Cinci is close.

BYU: Their cultural issues / stance on LGBTQ is not going to fly with KU (for one). The Sunday thing is a roadblock but not a deal breaker. Their relationship to ESPN is such that they only join the B12 if ESPN wants to save the B12 (they don't). No BYU.

HOUSTON: They are in a Top 5 TV market nationally (Houston area) and a Top 10 recruiting area (SE Texas). It doesn't matter they already have Baylor down there, being IN Houston itself, a hotbed of FB and BB talent, makes up for any drawbacks. Also, the B12 needs another TX program to compete with A&M and TX and the SEC. Houston will be in with Cinci.

As far as the other possibilities:

UCF: They (with USF travel partner) are the ones who bring completely new eyeballs AND recruiting areas (FL) to the B12 - which puts them in the state to compete for players with the SEC and ACC. For this reason, if they eventually go to 12, the FL schools will be in.

MEMPHIS: They are still pretty significantly lagging B12 quality in terms of academics, facilities and endowment. I don't see them getting an "add" unless KU and/or ISU go to B1G and the PAC poaches. At that point though the remaining B12 schools would be merging with the AAC.

TULANE: Their academics would be a real prize, and if the B12 didn't already feature Baylor I would say they may want them for their Duke/Vanderbilt type school. But... their facilities are completely inferior and they have a small fanbase. They would need a decade to build up to even be close to B12 levels - they would go 1-11 or 0-12 every year (they do get to play Kansas, so there's a win).

Most likely invitees not talked about enough:

COLORADO STATE: Academics, enrollment, endowment, no different than KSU or OSU. I believe in a P5 conf they'd get good fast and improve recruiting significantly (desirable location, etc). CO is a market the B12 would like to get back into and despite CO being in the PAC, the eastern slope is really B12 country going way back. Would be in a 14 team B12.

TEMPLE: With Cinci and WV, not really a travel problem. Great academics, great endowment, new market/eyeballs (Philly), gets the B12 into the NE influencer corridor, they're ready for P5 competition and would be as good in B12 as Rutgers is in B1G. Travel to and from major cities is a lot easier than going to KSU or ISU or even Morgantown -- a flight from Houston to Phillie, door to door for the team, is probably shorter time wise than a trip from Ames, IA to Lubbock. Would be in a 16 team B12.

RICE: The other Private like Tulane, geographically perfectly placed, amazing endowment and academics and you'd think in a P5 conf would compete on the level of Vandy or Wake. If they got desperate for a 16th member to fill things out, this wouldn't surprise me that much.

Teams that are never ever going to be in the B12:

BOISE ST: They were a Jr College and the academic college Presidents can't forget. Also the travel is horrific, there are no eyeballs or players to recruit in Idaho. It simply makes no sense.

AIR FORCE: They have said repeatedly they do not want their specialty recruits having to play P5 competition every week.

TULSA: A worse version of Memphis.

ARIZONA/ARIZONA STATE: Are not leaving the Pac for this mess.

COLORADO/NEBRASKA: If the B12 could convince these two to join they'd easily save the conference. Not happening.

I see that a number of people mention academics as a criteria. What is the metric for comparing academics between schools? Why is that such an important criteria for an athletic conference? Wouldn't it be better to compare NCAA student athlete graduation success rates?
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(08-07-2021 11:19 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(08-07-2021 01:18 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  
(08-07-2021 12:39 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Process of elimination:

I rule out Houston because 1) they are in Texas and add no new market, cannibalize recruiting, 2) they have the worst TV ratings of all the choices --and it's not really close. I rule out UCF because Kansas would reject their Basketball program. Memphis was rejected by these Presidents 5 years ago, what has changed with what they didn't like?

It's thus BYU and then Cincy. If one says no, then Memphis and Houston have to be reconsidered, because Basketball is so critical for the 10th school.

None of them are perfect - though Cinci is close.

BYU: Their cultural issues / stance on LGBTQ is not going to fly with KU (for one). The Sunday thing is a roadblock but not a deal breaker. Their relationship to ESPN is such that they only join the B12 if ESPN wants to save the B12 (they don't). No BYU.

HOUSTON: They are in a Top 5 TV market nationally (Houston area) and a Top 10 recruiting area (SE Texas). It doesn't matter they already have Baylor down there, being IN Houston itself, a hotbed of FB and BB talent, makes up for any drawbacks. Also, the B12 needs another TX program to compete with A&M and TX and the SEC. Houston will be in with Cinci.

As far as the other possibilities:

UCF: They (with USF travel partner) are the ones who bring completely new eyeballs AND recruiting areas (FL) to the B12 - which puts them in the state to compete for players with the SEC and ACC. For this reason, if they eventually go to 12, the FL schools will be in.

MEMPHIS: They are still pretty significantly lagging B12 quality in terms of academics, facilities and endowment. I don't see them getting an "add" unless KU and/or ISU go to B1G and the PAC poaches. At that point though the remaining B12 schools would be merging with the AAC.

TULANE: Their academics would be a real prize, and if the B12 didn't already feature Baylor I would say they may want them for their Duke/Vanderbilt type school. But... their facilities are completely inferior and they have a small fanbase. They would need a decade to build up to even be close to B12 levels - they would go 1-11 or 0-12 every year (they do get to play Kansas, so there's a win).

Most likely invitees not talked about enough:

COLORADO STATE: Academics, enrollment, endowment, no different than KSU or OSU. I believe in a P5 conf they'd get good fast and improve recruiting significantly (desirable location, etc). CO is a market the B12 would like to get back into and despite CO being in the PAC, the eastern slope is really B12 country going way back. Would be in a 14 team B12.

TEMPLE: With Cinci and WV, not really a travel problem. Great academics, great endowment, new market/eyeballs (Philly), gets the B12 into the NE influencer corridor, they're ready for P5 competition and would be as good in B12 as Rutgers is in B1G. Travel to and from major cities is a lot easier than going to KSU or ISU or even Morgantown -- a flight from Houston to Phillie, door to door for the team, is probably shorter time wise than a trip from Ames, IA to Lubbock. Would be in a 16 team B12.

RICE: The other Private like Tulane, geographically perfectly placed, amazing endowment and academics and you'd think in a P5 conf would compete on the level of Vandy or Wake. If they got desperate for a 16th member to fill things out, this wouldn't surprise me that much.

Teams that are never ever going to be in the B12:

BOISE ST: They were a Jr College and the academic college Presidents can't forget. Also the travel is horrific, there are no eyeballs or players to recruit in Idaho. It simply makes no sense.

AIR FORCE: They have said repeatedly they do not want their specialty recruits having to play P5 competition every week.

TULSA: A worse version of Memphis.

ARIZONA/ARIZONA STATE: Are not leaving the Pac for this mess.

COLORADO/NEBRASKA: If the B12 could convince these two to join they'd easily save the conference. Not happening.

Re: Memphis, you have no idea what you are talking about as far as facilities go.

The Liberty Bowl is a pretty outdated facility
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I’m curious if the folks who aren’t voting for BYU are doing so because:

They don’t think BYU will say yes

They don’t think the Big 12 will admit them because of their faith
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(08-07-2021 08:16 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  At the AAC Media Day, August 6, SMU was selected 3rd behind Cincy and UCF and ahead of Houston who was selected 4th. Yet they were not even listed on the poll.

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Ordinarily, I'd prefer SMU to Houston to join the Big IIX...BUT...

1) TCU is next-door in Fort Worth and I can totally see TCU objecting to adding their old rival along with the reality that the DFW market already has a Big IIX member while the Houston market does not...

2) I'm not sure ANY Texas based team gets added to the Big IIX because the conference already will have Texas Tech, TCU, and Baylor and the loading up on Texas programs hasn't been a winning formula, all the way back to the old SWC. The Big IIX could very well look at expanding their footprint rather than continuing to try and re-stock on Texas based programs.

If you think anyone in Dallas will go out to see TCU play football in Fort Worth, you don’t know the D/FW metroplex very well. SMU is the Dallas team.

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Who joins the Big 12?
It will be interesting to see who they raid, the AAC or the MWC, perhaps a few from both.

Colorado St & UNLV from the MWC along with BYU & Then Cincinnati from the AAC.

West: TT, Oklahoma St, Baylor, BYU, Colorado St, UNLV

East: TCU, WV, Kansas, K State, Iowa St, Cincinnati


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UCF and USF will be in any rebuild of the Big XII that turns east.

What can the Big XII do?

He (Pete Fiutak) suggests Houston, SMU, UCF and USF.

I'd also add Memphis and Tulane but, that's me.
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RE: Who joins the Big 12?
Fox could try to get temple and WVU + SLU into the big east than add UConn, wvu and temple to the big 12 football only. Or the big east could add Umass, Temple, WVU, Cincinnati and St. Louis U than hand out football only invites to AFA, Army and navy and big east football is back + maybe BYU
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(08-08-2021 08:24 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m curious if the folks who aren’t voting for BYU are doing so because:

They don’t think BYU will say yes

They don’t think the Big 12 will admit them because of their faith

Yes, it's interesting that USF and BYU have almost the same amount of votes and they lag behind 4 others. I don't think many would consider USF to have the same amount of probability as BYU.
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RE: Who joins the Big 12?
In an ideal world, SMU Rice and Houston get it. Most likely it’s only the latter, but SMU should be considered unless they require a unanimous vote. TCU shouldn’t have the clout to reject anybody.

With SMU, Houston, UC, there is room for one more. I’d go Memphis. Forget about BYU.

Then you have a good mix of private, religious, commuter, land grant, public research schools. No block has an upper hand.
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RE: Who joins the Big 12?
I voted for Houston and Cincinnati. I think BYU is the best overall option, but I’m not confident they would join nor am I confident they’d be invited.

I could see the FLA schools added in a second phase perhaps.
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