(08-06-2021 02:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  So---lets say UCF, USF, Memphis, and Cinci leave. Lets be honest---whats left is a decent core---but there really are not enough high value pieces left to add to it in order to create a conference worth the travel. Adding UAB, Rice, or Marshall or anyone else willing to come isnt going to get the TV deal anywhere near 7 million a team. Its probably going to be around 2-4 million---if that. We'd have Houston, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Navy, Temple, ECU, and Wichita. Its a disaster.

So--here is the "break glass in case of emergency" idea I kinda stole (sort of) from another thread here. What if you merge that core with the A-10? Then add the 3 best football schools out there. LaTech, Marshall, and App St. Now your're in a pretty decent round robin football conference (or you can do divisions) with a very solid multi-bid basketball league. That might actually be worth the travel.

id rather RAID the a10 than merge with the a10..they are a top heavy bball league, why not just take the top 4 ..they will come becuase we can still offer them ridiculously more money

also merging wit the a10 basketball (that has umass) and then not taking their football for LaTech, Marshall, and App St would be hilarious

also non of the teams you added fit the conference identity at all.. la tech is even seen in most reallignment discussions

(08-06-2021 02:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  So---lets say UCF, USF, Memphis, and Cinci leave. Lets be honest---whats left is a decent core---but there really are not enough high value pieces left to add to it in order to create a conference worth the travel. Adding UAB, Rice, or Marshall or anyone else willing to come isnt going to get the TV deal anywhere near 7 million a team. Its probably going to be around 2-4 million---if that. We'd have Houston, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Navy, Temple, ECU, and Wichita. Its a disaster.

So--here is the "break glass in case of emergency" idea I kinda stole (sort of) from another thread here. What if you merge that core with the A-10? Then add the 3 best football schools out there. LaTech, Marshall, and App St. Now your're in a pretty decent round robin football conference (or you can do divisions) with a very solid multi-bid basketball league. That might actually be worth the travel.

No. It's the MWC with SMU or independence if this scenario happens.

(08-06-2021 12:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  UAB is the only overlap---and knowing their history of poor football performance and support----thats a school I remain extremely skeptical about should they lose Bill Clark. What that guy has accomplished there is nothing short of a miracle.

How many G5 programs have lost good football coaches and have manage to keep winning? I don't know why you choose to equate the UAB of the past to what has been happening the last 4 years but it's your prerogative and your right to feel that way.

I didn't think UH would keep doing what they've been doing after losing Herman and..........well I see your point....lol.

If you want to be extremely skeptical about UAB it should be with the BOT. Even if Clark leaves he has laid the foundation for another coach to come in and be just as successful. UAB has new football facilities, new stadium, and donors who want to continue seeing UAB grow as an athletic program. UAB will be just fine thank you very much!

(08-06-2021 03:57 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 12:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  UAB is the only overlap---and knowing their history of poor football performance and support----thats a school I remain extremely skeptical about should they lose Bill Clark. What that guy has accomplished there is nothing short of a miracle.

How many G5 programs have lost good football coaches and have manage to keep winning? I don't know why you choose to equate the UAB of the past to what has been happening the last 4 years but it's your prerogative and your right to feel that way.

I didn't think UH would keep doing what they've been doing after losing Herman and..........well I see your point....lol.

If you want to be extremely skeptical about UAB it should be with the BOT. Even if Clark leaves he has laid the foundation for another coach to come in and be just as successful. UAB has new football facilities, new stadium, and donors who want to continue seeing UAB grow as an athletic program. UAB will be just fine thank you very much!

***slow clap***

(08-06-2021 03:57 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 12:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  UAB is the only overlap---and knowing their history of poor football performance and support----thats a school I remain extremely skeptical about should they lose Bill Clark. What that guy has accomplished there is nothing short of a miracle.

How many G5 programs have lost good football coaches and have manage to keep winning? I don't know why you choose to equate the UAB of the past to what has been happening the last 4 years but it's your prerogative and your right to feel that way.

I didn't think UH would keep doing what they've been doing after losing Herman and..........well I see your point....lol.

If you want to be extremely skeptical about UAB it should be with the BOT. Even if Clark leaves he has laid the foundation for another coach to come in and be just as successful. UAB has new football facilities, new stadium, and donors who want to continue seeing UAB grow as an athletic program. UAB will be just fine thank you very much!

***slow clap***

(08-06-2021 03:57 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 12:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  UAB is the only overlap---and knowing their history of poor football performance and support----thats a school I remain extremely skeptical about should they lose Bill Clark. What that guy has accomplished there is nothing short of a miracle.

How many G5 programs have lost good football coaches and have manage to keep winning? I don't know why you choose to equate the UAB of the past to what has been happening the last 4 years but it's your prerogative and your right to feel that way.

I didn't think UH would keep doing what they've been doing after losing Herman and..........well I see your point....lol.

If you want to be extremely skeptical about UAB it should be with the BOT. Even if Clark leaves he has laid the foundation for another coach to come in and be just as successful. UAB has new football facilities, new stadium, and donors who want to continue seeing UAB grow as an athletic program. UAB will be just fine thank you very much!

The biggest concern I have with UAB is in Tuscaloosa. Are they really going to allow continued success? I'll believe it when I see it.

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(08-06-2021 12:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Charlotte is an interesting long range add, but this conference has never been about long range adds.

Charlotte has a 15,000 seat stadium. There are 4 other G5 teams in the state of North Carolina plus App State and ECU. I don’t understand people’s fascination with Charlotte.

(08-06-2021 04:57 PM)Ramblin Wreck Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 12:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Charlotte is an interesting long range add, but this conference has never been about long range adds.

Charlotte has a 15,000 seat stadium. There are 4 other G5 teams in the state of North Carolina plus App State and ECU. I don’t understand people’s fascination with Charlotte.

Especially with how much football reputation would hypothetically walk out the door prior to this addition I am shocked Charlotte would be considered over App.

You'd still have 3-5 schools in big media markets but you'd be needing to get the best programs available to keep the league's reputation up.

(08-06-2021 03:28 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 02:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  So---lets say UCF, USF, Memphis, and Cinci leave. Lets be honest---whats left is a decent core---but there really are not enough high value pieces left to add to it in order to create a conference worth the travel. Adding UAB, Rice, or Marshall or anyone else willing to come isnt going to get the TV deal anywhere near 7 million a team. Its probably going to be around 2-4 million---if that. We'd have Houston, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Navy, Temple, ECU, and Wichita. Its a disaster.

So--here is the "break glass in case of emergency" idea I kinda stole (sort of) from another thread here. What if you merge that core with the A-10? Then add the 3 best football schools out there. LaTech, Marshall, and App St. Now your're in a pretty decent round robin football conference (or you can do divisions) with a very solid multi-bid basketball league. That might actually be worth the travel.

id rather RAID the a10 than merge with the a10..they are a top heavy bball league, why not just take the top 4 ..they will come becuase we can still offer them ridiculously more money

also merging wit the a10 basketball (that has umass) and then not taking their football for LaTech, Marshall, and App St would be hilarious

also non of the teams you added fit the conference identity at all.. la tech is even seen in most reallignment discussions

To be fair—if you scrape off 4 of our top teams any “identity” is shot anyway. That said, I mentioned earlier that if we were to lose four top teams to the big 12, we would have to decide what we wanted to be as a conference when we grow up. The problem there, was we could either be a good academic conference or we could be a good football conference—-but given the replacement options available—-we couldn’t really be both. That decision needs to be made before you select your replacement teams.

BTW—I do like the idea of raiding the top of the A10 and then adding three really good football schools.

(08-06-2021 03:42 PM)maccoog Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 02:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  So---lets say UCF, USF, Memphis, and Cinci leave. Lets be honest---whats left is a decent core---but there really are not enough high value pieces left to add to it in order to create a conference worth the travel. Adding UAB, Rice, or Marshall or anyone else willing to come isnt going to get the TV deal anywhere near 7 million a team. Its probably going to be around 2-4 million---if that. We'd have Houston, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Navy, Temple, ECU, and Wichita. Its a disaster.

So--here is the "break glass in case of emergency" idea I kinda stole (sort of) from another thread here. What if you merge that core with the A-10? Then add the 3 best football schools out there. LaTech, Marshall, and App St. Now your're in a pretty decent round robin football conference (or you can do divisions) with a very solid multi-bid basketball league. That might actually be worth the travel.

No. It's the MWC with SMU or independence if this scenario happens.

This is the most probable scenario of the teams that go to big12 . I concur and say the AAC would lose UH & SMU to MWC. AAC would backfill with Marshall, Rice, UAB, La Tech and some others

I’m not convinced UCF and USF would be chosen by the Big 12. While UCF has had football success and have 70,000 students, their endowment is an embarrassingly low amount of $155M. I think the Big 12 chooses to stick to the central US geographical footprint (of course West Virginia says hello there) and chooses SMU, Houston and maybe Rice. Urban areas with historical rivalries. While people can argue that Houston and SMU don’t bring the urban television markets they are in, you would be doubling up with TCU and Rice essentially combining the number of fans in those markets.

It'll be UCF+USF or neither imho. I don't see much point in creating another island in the Big12.

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(08-06-2021 03:57 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 12:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  UAB is the only overlap---and knowing their history of poor football performance and support----thats a school I remain extremely skeptical about should they lose Bill Clark. What that guy has accomplished there is nothing short of a miracle.

How many G5 programs have lost good football coaches and have manage to keep winning? I don't know why you choose to equate the UAB of the past to what has been happening the last 4 years but it's your prerogative and your right to feel that way.

I didn't think UH would keep doing what they've been doing after losing Herman and..........well I see your point....lol.

If you want to be extremely skeptical about UAB it should be with the BOT. Even if Clark leaves he has laid the foundation for another coach to come in and be just as successful. UAB has new football facilities, new stadium, and donors who want to continue seeing UAB grow as an athletic program. UAB will be just fine thank you very much!

To be fair, it took UAB about two decades of non-performance to earn that perception from me. Everyone always gets excited by the team that strings together a few good seasons. It’s recency bias—-just part of human nature. The 3 teams I selected were all teams with a long history of success with multiple coaches in multiple conferences. To me—those kinds of football programs represent the safest bets. There is clearly potential in UAB—-I just think the schools I mentioned are better bets right now.

EASY ANSWER

In that scenario, the AAC would invite Colorado State and Air Force.

The AAC would stay at 8 or 9 and wait for the Big 12 to implode.

The ESPN TV deal is worth too much to invite anyone else. ESPN already has the Sunbelt schools locked up at a much cheaper rate.

The AAC would have to pick among the Fox schools.

Colorado State is also more valuable for the basketball tournament in Fort Worth.

An 8/9 AAC Television contract split fewer ways is worth a lot more to those schools than sharing a much smaller MWC pie among 12 teams (which includes a lot of dead wood).

For all the grief some people dish out, Tulane and Tulsa would easily beat the MWC Champion, SJSU.

(08-06-2021 05:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 03:57 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 12:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  UAB is the only overlap---and knowing their history of poor football performance and support----thats a school I remain extremely skeptical about should they lose Bill Clark. What that guy has accomplished there is nothing short of a miracle.

How many G5 programs have lost good football coaches and have manage to keep winning? I don't know why you choose to equate the UAB of the past to what has been happening the last 4 years but it's your prerogative and your right to feel that way.

I didn't think UH would keep doing what they've been doing after losing Herman and..........well I see your point....lol.

If you want to be extremely skeptical about UAB it should be with the BOT. Even if Clark leaves he has laid the foundation for another coach to come in and be just as successful. UAB has new football facilities, new stadium, and donors who want to continue seeing UAB grow as an athletic program. UAB will be just fine thank you very much!

To be fair, it took UAB about two decades of non-performance to earn that perception from me. Everyone always gets excited by the team that strings together a few good seasons. It’s recency bias—-just part of human nature. The 3 teams I selected were all teams with a long history of success with multiple coaches in multiple conferences. To me—those kinds of football programs represent the safest bets. There is clearly potential in UAB—-I just think the schools I mentioned are better bets right now.

I wasn't questioning who you think should or shouldn't be invited to the AAC. Just why you're so skeptical about UAB continuing their winning ways. And I totally understand why you feel the way you do.

But the what happens to a good G5 team when they lose their coach comments has been said for UCF, Boise, UH, Memphis, App St., etc. When the time comes for UAB to get a new coach I will be just as confident of him just like the teams I mentioned fans were about their teams replacing a winning coach with a new one.

And just to be clear, I'm not pimping UAB to be in the AAC and never will and I don't expect UAB to be invited.

(08-06-2021 04:27 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 03:57 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 12:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  UAB is the only overlap---and knowing their history of poor football performance and support----thats a school I remain extremely skeptical about should they lose Bill Clark. What that guy has accomplished there is nothing short of a miracle.

How many G5 programs have lost good football coaches and have manage to keep winning? I don't know why you choose to equate the UAB of the past to what has been happening the last 4 years but it's your prerogative and your right to feel that way.

I didn't think UH would keep doing what they've been doing after losing Herman and..........well I see your point....lol.

If you want to be extremely skeptical about UAB it should be with the BOT. Even if Clark leaves he has laid the foundation for another coach to come in and be just as successful. UAB has new football facilities, new stadium, and donors who want to continue seeing UAB grow as an athletic program. UAB will be just fine thank you very much!

***slow clap***

The second time was way funnier than the first time.

(08-06-2021 04:55 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 03:57 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 12:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  UAB is the only overlap---and knowing their history of poor football performance and support----thats a school I remain extremely skeptical about should they lose Bill Clark. What that guy has accomplished there is nothing short of a miracle.

How many G5 programs have lost good football coaches and have manage to keep winning? I don't know why you choose to equate the UAB of the past to what has been happening the last 4 years but it's your prerogative and your right to feel that way.

I didn't think UH would keep doing what they've been doing after losing Herman and..........well I see your point....lol.

If you want to be extremely skeptical about UAB it should be with the BOT. Even if Clark leaves he has laid the foundation for another coach to come in and be just as successful. UAB has new football facilities, new stadium, and donors who want to continue seeing UAB grow as an athletic program. UAB will be just fine thank you very much!

The biggest concern I have with UAB is in Tuscaloosa. Are they really going to allow continued success? I'll believe it when I see it.

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Aren't all those BOT opposers dead or close to it?

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(08-06-2021 05:37 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  EASY ANSWER

In that scenario, the AAC would invite Colorado State and Air Force.

The AAC would stay at 8 or 9 and wait for the Big 12 to implode.

The ESPN TV deal is worth too much to invite anyone else. ESPN already has the Sunbelt schools locked up at a much cheaper rate.

The AAC would have to pick among the Fox schools.

Colorado State is also more valuable for the basketball tournament in Fort Worth.

An 8/9 AAC Television contract split fewer ways is worth a lot more to those schools than sharing a much smaller MWC pie among 12 teams (which includes a lot of dead wood).

For all the grief some people dish out, Tulane and Tulsa would easily beat the MWC Champion, SJSU.

Nobody is coming east

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(08-06-2021 04:57 PM)Ramblin Wreck Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 12:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Charlotte is an interesting long range add, but this conference has never been about long range adds.

Charlotte has a 15,000 seat stadium. There are 4 other G5 teams in the state of North Carolina plus App State and ECU. I don’t understand people’s fascination with Charlotte.

Charlotte does have a 15k stadium...right now. But you can easily see how they built it for ready expansion to 25k, then 35k, and eventually 50+k. They deliberately chose NOT to over-build.

Compare that with UMass (mentioned earlier) who is playing in a 15k stadium with NO plans to ever expand. Hell, they finally added "inside plumbing"...kinda sorta. (It's in their new "Athletic Center"...but most of the fans in the stands still have to use "Porta-Potties".)

Charlotte is, IMO, in a completely different league than UMass...but people still are quick to answer, "We'll add UMass because they are a "flagship" school."

(08-06-2021 05:57 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 04:55 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 03:57 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 12:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  UAB is the only overlap---and knowing their history of poor football performance and support----thats a school I remain extremely skeptical about should they lose Bill Clark. What that guy has accomplished there is nothing short of a miracle.

How many G5 programs have lost good football coaches and have manage to keep winning? I don't know why you choose to equate the UAB of the past to what has been happening the last 4 years but it's your prerogative and your right to feel that way.

I didn't think UH would keep doing what they've been doing after losing Herman and..........well I see your point....lol.

If you want to be extremely skeptical about UAB it should be with the BOT. Even if Clark leaves he has laid the foundation for another coach to come in and be just as successful. UAB has new football facilities, new stadium, and donors who want to continue seeing UAB grow as an athletic program. UAB will be just fine thank you very much!

The biggest concern I have with UAB is in Tuscaloosa. Are they really going to allow continued success? I'll believe it when I see it.

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Aren't all those BOT opposers dead or close to it?

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The BOT has been giving UAB anything they want since the program was shutdown and they completely support them going to the AAC. But again, it's a perception UAB will have to deal with.