(08-13-2021 06:35 PM)Reverend Wrote:  

(08-05-2021 03:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Many of the rankings are bloated by the conference they play in (e.g., OK State, Texas Tech, several SEC schools), others hurt (e.g., UNC). Basketball, although smaller, would shuffle some rankings. There are also institutions like Duke, Stanford and Northwestern, that don't bring much on the football field but raise the perception of the quality of schools, and thus the importance of the conference.

Also the rankings are discreet, so you don't see the actual valuations. There are probably clusters of a dozen or so schools where the difference is effectively nothing (e.g., 22 to 34 may be so close anyone of them could rank first or last within that group on any given year), and others where a single place ranking difference represents a 10% drop off in value.

As for Big 12 expansion (back fill), it is yet another measure which says BYU is the only school that materially helps. And if anything BYU's value is way understated because it's a Football Independent playing in an obscure Basketball conference (besides Gonzaga it's a bunch of no name small private schools playing in glorified gyms before hundreds of fans and broadcast on community access TV channels).

(I am increasingly of the opinion the Big 12 should add BYU and for a 10th add a Basketball only school, first going to Gonzaga with Dayton or Loyola Chicago as the fall back candidates.)

This board and its ridiculous obsession with basketball only schools.

Really? Go to the ACC board and you'll meet North Carolina and Virginia fans that don't think basketball matters and thinks the ACC should make Duke a partial member.

(08-13-2021 06:03 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 12:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  3) Tulane draws very few fans of any kind in the state, even in New Orleans. Tulane is an elite institution, very much respected by the people of New Orleans, but it is recognized as almost a separate entity dwelling within the city. It is separate from the lives of most New Orleans folks save for an exclusive elite.

One reason is that Tulane is not only a small institution, but because it has a national reputation, a lot of its students are from out of state, or country. I've known four Tulane graduates closely in my life, all came to the school from out of state, and all left the state upon graduation. So its footprint really doesn't extend much beyond the circumference of the campus, save for some graduates who occupy elite positions in business, politics and philanthropy in the city. Few in number, but powerful.

The upshot is, Tulane has almost no mass or casual fan base. Tulane fans are Tulane alumni, and there just are not a lot of those.

As a former NOLA resident (and someone who's love of college sports took me to tons of Tulane athletics events), every single word is true.

Tulane is a Northeast Liberal Arts College. It just happens to be in New Orleans. Almost all the Louisiana kids who went to Tulane were athletes who wanted to be closer to home. All the students at Tulane were people who wanted better weather than the Patriot League.

As someone who lived for 36 years in Baton Rouge, I agree with everything both of you have said.

In the Eighties, the joke was that Tulane was a New Jersey entity, not a Louisiana one.

He has updated this list with the rest of the AAC, Army and most of the MWC.

https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach...2c65f64515

Now, let’s look specifically at the teams on this list that either currently play in the Big 12 or currently don’t play in a Power 5 conference. Non-Power 5 teams are in bold.
West Virginia
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
BYU
Iowa State
Baylor
Kansas State
Kansas
UCF
Boise State
Houston
Memphis
USF
Army
East Carolina
Cincinnati
Navy
Temple
Fresno State
Colorado State
San Diego State
SMU
Air Force
UNLV
Tulane
Tulsa

(08-05-2021 10:27 AM)goofus Wrote:  So USC is #23 sitting behind Arky, Mich ST, Iowa and South Carolina?

Something seems off here. I guess the Big Ten and SEC must have a tendency to raise all the boats in their harbor.

Most likely.

Although I'm guessing attendance plays a large part as well.

(08-05-2021 09:50 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I would remove social media following entirely. Only 2% of the country is active on twitter.

Considering it is more important to figuring out what rights are worth, that would be foolish. Home attendance is much less a valuable metric, unless the conference is sharing gate. TV viewership, market (future possible market share), engagement on social media are the metrics upon which rights values are computed. We may not like it, but the networks do.