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Why my family has strict instructions not to take me to a hospital if I get sick.

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(09-17-2021 11:46 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 11:35 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 11:31 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  [Image: 7-AAE4-F82-5-EA5-45-A9-BE7-E-09-D723-ECF596.jpg]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/...356v1.full

Still looking for that Link on that comment you made Elvis. 04-cheers

Slow your roll dog.

Why, so you can catch up on your NanDoodle talking points?
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(09-17-2021 11:45 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 10:55 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 07:15 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 06:18 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 10:45 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  



We had that 60% number out of Israel and several libs did all these mathematical and mental gymnastics that "proved" it was really only unvaxxed and this was not remotely bad news for the vaccines.

For some of these people, you could literally show there was record numbers of covid deaths and 100% were fully vaxxed and they would show charts and numbers proving the vaccine works perfectly and the only people dying in those numbers you showed are unvaxxed.

Just look as Elvis's response a few posts up. You hear that and suddenly wonder why are you even talking to them about this. 01-wingedeagle

The issue is not how many unvaxxed are in the hospital (that is not unexpected by anyone), the issue is the shocking number of fully vaxxed people that are still ending up in the hospital. Everyone understands that unvaxxed are going to have higher hospitalization rates (DUH captain obvious) but no one expected these stunning hospitalization rates for the fully vaxxed.

Pesky liberals and their facts. Math is easily proven or disproven. I haven’t seen you disprove any math.

You think 168 total people out of 3,500,000 vaccinated in Ireland is a “shocking number”? That is an idiotic argument. No vaccines are 100% effective.

Percentages mean nothing without knowing the absolute numbers. Rates per 100k tell us everything, and 4.4 per 100,000 is a pretty good rate.

You Said, "No vaccines are 100% effective."

Do you have a Link for that comment ? Because it has to be a lie. How about Polio or Smallpox, when's the last time you seen them around in the USA?

Also the covid shot is not a vaccine. I sure you're not a dumb person, just misinformed.

The smallpox vaccine is 95% effective for the first 3 to 5 years and requires a booster after that.
https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/7022/

Polio is 90% effective after two doses, and 99% effective after four doses, but the four doses are required to be delivered over four years to build that immunity (Last IPV injection in the US is between 4 and 6 years old).

A one time booster polio vaccination is sometimes recommended for travel to locations with high risk of wild polio exposure.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/p...index.html

Thanks to the success of vaccination, the last natural outbreak of smallpox in the United States occurred in 1949. In 1980, the World Health Assembly declared smallpox eradicated (eliminated), and no cases of naturally occurring smallpox have happened since.

Between 1980 and 1992, a total of 109 cases of "vaccine-associated" polio were reported in the United States, an average of 8.4 cases per year. During this interval, 262 million doses of OPV were distributed.

Vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis (VAPP) is an adverse event following exposure to OPV. OPV is made with live attenuated (weakened) polioviruses ...
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(09-17-2021 11:46 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 11:35 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 11:31 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  [Image: 7-AAE4-F82-5-EA5-45-A9-BE7-E-09-D723-ECF596.jpg]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/...356v1.full

Still looking for that Link on that comment you made Elvis. 04-cheers

Slow your roll dog.

I'm sorry was I going too fast ? 04-cheers
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(09-17-2021 09:58 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  As you are well aware the only reason the difference is so low is because 90% of eligible adults have been vaccinated, which means 1M+ of the 1.5M unvaccinated are under 14 with the lowest hospitalization rate. The ratio would be around 24 in 100k excluding the under 14 population. Your argument again locks into a single thing with no ability to take in context.

I do like how the hypocrisy of your vaccine arguments is easy to point out. You made multiple threads declaring the failure of the vaccine in Israel because the 60% of hospitalized Israelis were vaccinated. The total hospitalization rate for Israel then was 4 in 100k and you were declaring it a surge and a complete failure of the vaccine. Now you consider 5 in 100k a trivial number.

So which is it? Is 4 in 100k the end of the world and the complete failure of the vaccine in Israel, or is it a trivial benefit in Ireland? It can’t be both.

I consistently fall back to analyzing rates to determine effectiveness, your arguments continue to fall back to whichever argument of convenience you think supports your position with no regard to intellectual honesty.



Well you are just flat out lying and there is not other way to put it. I did not make multiple threads saying the vaccine had failed I made one single thread pointing out the fact the vaccines were underpreforming in Israel but still beneficial for the older and vulnerable.

But that has already been stated a thousand times, half of them directly to you and yet here you still are lying about it.

That pretty much says it all about you.
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(09-17-2021 02:21 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 09:58 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  As you are well aware the only reason the difference is so low is because 90% of eligible adults have been vaccinated, which means 1M+ of the 1.5M unvaccinated are under 14 with the lowest hospitalization rate. The ratio would be around 24 in 100k excluding the under 14 population. Your argument again locks into a single thing with no ability to take in context.

I do like how the hypocrisy of your vaccine arguments is easy to point out. You made multiple threads declaring the failure of the vaccine in Israel because the 60% of hospitalized Israelis were vaccinated. The total hospitalization rate for Israel then was 4 in 100k and you were declaring it a surge and a complete failure of the vaccine. Now you consider 5 in 100k a trivial number.

So which is it? Is 4 in 100k the end of the world and the complete failure of the vaccine in Israel, or is it a trivial benefit in Ireland? It can’t be both.

I consistently fall back to analyzing rates to determine effectiveness, your arguments continue to fall back to whichever argument of convenience you think supports your position with no regard to intellectual honesty.



Well you are just flat out lying and there is not other way to put it. I did not make multiple threads saying the vaccine had failed I made one single thread pointing out the fact the vaccines were underpreforming in Israel but still beneficial for the older and vulnerable.

But that has already been stated a thousand times, half of them directly to you and yet here you still are lying about it.

That pretty much says it all about you.

You are right, you only made one thread of the many you posted about Israel in.

Now 4 in 100k was a terrible surge when you were talking about Israel, but you consider it an inconsequential difference here. How do you justify the difference other than one supports your argument and the other doesn't?

You consider 4 in 100k hospitalization "underperforming". What level of hospitalization performance did you gather from the initial Pfizer and Moderna data, and how did you calculate it? In order for something to be underperforming you have to have a standard to compare it to. (here is a hint, that standard can't be "percentage of hospitalized patients vaccinated, that number is meaningless).

You consider 9 in 100k inconsequential, but refuse to acknowledge to demographic makeup of the unvaccinated population of Ireland that makes that number look better.

It's like you are wearing blinders and can only see what supports your argument and ignore everything else.

Anyway, I'm done with you.
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(09-17-2021 02:49 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 02:21 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 09:58 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  As you are well aware the only reason the difference is so low is because 90% of eligible adults have been vaccinated, which means 1M+ of the 1.5M unvaccinated are under 14 with the lowest hospitalization rate. The ratio would be around 24 in 100k excluding the under 14 population. Your argument again locks into a single thing with no ability to take in context.

I do like how the hypocrisy of your vaccine arguments is easy to point out. You made multiple threads declaring the failure of the vaccine in Israel because the 60% of hospitalized Israelis were vaccinated. The total hospitalization rate for Israel then was 4 in 100k and you were declaring it a surge and a complete failure of the vaccine. Now you consider 5 in 100k a trivial number.

So which is it? Is 4 in 100k the end of the world and the complete failure of the vaccine in Israel, or is it a trivial benefit in Ireland? It can’t be both.

I consistently fall back to analyzing rates to determine effectiveness, your arguments continue to fall back to whichever argument of convenience you think supports your position with no regard to intellectual honesty.



Well you are just flat out lying and there is not other way to put it. I did not make multiple threads saying the vaccine had failed I made one single thread pointing out the fact the vaccines were underpreforming in Israel but still beneficial for the older and vulnerable.

But that has already been stated a thousand times, half of them directly to you and yet here you still are lying about it.

That pretty much says it all about you.

You are right, you only made one thread of the many you posted about Israel in.

Now 4 in 100k was a terrible surge when you were talking about Israel, but you consider it an inconsequential difference here. How do you justify the difference other than one supports your argument and the other doesn't?

You consider 4 in 100k hospitalization "underperforming". What level of hospitalization performance did you gather from the initial Pfizer and Moderna data, and how did you calculate it? In order for something to be underperforming you have to have a standard to compare it to. (here is a hint, that standard can't be "percentage of hospitalized patients vaccinated, that number is meaningless).

You consider 9 in 100k inconsequential, but refuse to acknowledge to demographic makeup of the unvaccinated population of Ireland that makes that number look better.

It's like you are wearing blinders and can only see what supports your argument and ignore everything else.

Anyway, I'm done with you.

but muh NanDoodle!
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Look for the MDOH to drop this chart soon like they did the bed availability data set.
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(09-17-2021 02:49 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 02:21 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 09:58 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  As you are well aware the only reason the difference is so low is because 90% of eligible adults have been vaccinated, which means 1M+ of the 1.5M unvaccinated are under 14 with the lowest hospitalization rate. The ratio would be around 24 in 100k excluding the under 14 population. Your argument again locks into a single thing with no ability to take in context.

I do like how the hypocrisy of your vaccine arguments is easy to point out. You made multiple threads declaring the failure of the vaccine in Israel because the 60% of hospitalized Israelis were vaccinated. The total hospitalization rate for Israel then was 4 in 100k and you were declaring it a surge and a complete failure of the vaccine. Now you consider 5 in 100k a trivial number.

So which is it? Is 4 in 100k the end of the world and the complete failure of the vaccine in Israel, or is it a trivial benefit in Ireland? It can’t be both.

I consistently fall back to analyzing rates to determine effectiveness, your arguments continue to fall back to whichever argument of convenience you think supports your position with no regard to intellectual honesty.



Well you are just flat out lying and there is not other way to put it. I did not make multiple threads saying the vaccine had failed I made one single thread pointing out the fact the vaccines were underpreforming in Israel but still beneficial for the older and vulnerable.

But that has already been stated a thousand times, half of them directly to you and yet here you still are lying about it.

That pretty much says it all about you.

You are right, you only made one thread of the many you posted about Israel in.

Now 4 in 100k was a terrible surge when you were talking about Israel, but you consider it an inconsequential difference here. How do you justify the difference other than one supports your argument and the other doesn't?

You consider 4 in 100k hospitalization "underperforming". What level of hospitalization performance did you gather from the initial Pfizer and Moderna data, and how did you calculate it? In order for something to be underperforming you have to have a standard to compare it to. (here is a hint, that standard can't be "percentage of hospitalized patients vaccinated, that number is meaningless).

You consider 9 in 100k inconsequential, but refuse to acknowledge to demographic makeup of the unvaccinated population of Ireland that makes that number look better.

It's like you are wearing blinders and can only see what supports your argument and ignore everything else.

Anyway, I'm done with you.



Bye 04-cheers
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(09-17-2021 02:56 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Look for the MDOH to drop this chart soon like they did the bed availability data set.
Mississippi Covid Hospitilizations

WHat that chart is showing is that ICU and ventilator use went up even as the covid cases were dropping like a rock. Then, as covid cases continued to plummet, icu and ventilator use dropped.

In other words, ICU and ventilator use had no correlation to the covid cases.
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(09-17-2021 03:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 02:56 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Look for the MDOH to drop this chart soon like they did the bed availability data set.
Mississippi Covid Hospitilizations

WHat that chart is showing is that ICU and ventilator use went up even as the covid cases were dropping like a rock. Then, as covid cases continued to plummet, icu and ventilator use dropped.

In other words, ICU and ventilator use had no correlation to the covid cases.
Most people in the ICU are Pneumonia Patients. Always have been. Get a Medicaid or Medicare Patient in there with Pneumonia and Code them Covid and you make some money. If not you don't make any money. The numbers are dropping like a rock. Most likely due to the Infusions that the state said they were going to be in control of yesterday. No such thing as Coincidences.
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Quote: Results Of 324 033 people with symptoms, 53 270 (16.4%) were positive for SARS-CoV-2 and 21 272 (6.6%) received at least one dose of vaccine. Among participants who tested positive, 2479 (4.7%) were admitted to hospital or died. Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic infection observed ≥14 days after one dose was 60% (95% confidence interval 57% to 64%), increasing from 48% (41% to 54%) at 14-20 days after one dose to 71% (63% to 78%) at 35-41 days. Vaccine effectiveness observed ≥7 days after two doses was 91% (89% to 93%). Vaccine effectiveness against hospital admission or death observed ≥14 days after one dose was 70% (60% to 77%), increasing from 62% (44% to 75%) at 14-20 days to 91% (73% to 97%) at ≥35 days, whereas vaccine effectiveness observed ≥7 days after two doses was 98% (88% to 100%). For adults aged ≥70 years, vaccine effectiveness estimates were observed to be lower for intervals shortly after one dose but were comparable to those for younger people for all intervals after 28 days. After two doses, high vaccine effectiveness was observed against variants with the E484K mutation.

Conclusions Two doses of mRNA covid-19 vaccines were observed to be highly effective against symptomatic infection and severe outcomes. Vaccine effectiveness of one dose was observed to be lower, particularly for older adults shortly after the first dose.

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1943
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Quote: Results Of 324 033 people with symptoms, 53 270 (16.4%) were positive for SARS-CoV-2 and 21 272 (6.6%) received at least one dose of vaccine. Among participants who tested positive, 2479 (4.7%) were admitted to hospital or died. Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic infection observed ≥14 days after one dose was 60% (95% confidence interval 57% to 64%), increasing from 48% (41% to 54%) at 14-20 days after one dose to 71% (63% to 78%) at 35-41 days. Vaccine effectiveness observed ≥7 days after two doses was 91% (89% to 93%). Vaccine effectiveness against hospital admission or death observed ≥14 days after one dose was 70% (60% to 77%), increasing from 62% (44% to 75%) at 14-20 days to 91% (73% to 97%) at ≥35 days, whereas vaccine effectiveness observed ≥7 days after two doses was 98% (88% to 100%). For adults aged ≥70 years, vaccine effectiveness estimates were observed to be lower for intervals shortly after one dose but were comparable to those for younger people for all intervals after 28 days. After two doses, high vaccine effectiveness was observed against variants with the E484K mutation.

Conclusions Two doses of mRNA covid-19 vaccines were observed to be highly effective against symptomatic infection and severe outcomes. Vaccine effectiveness of one dose was observed to be lower, particularly for older adults shortly after the first dose.

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1943
What a bunch of goobly gook. A study from December 2020 to April 2021. The current "vaccines" were made for a version of the Virus that isn't around anymore. That's why the number of cases and hospitilazations dropped off the table at the beginning of this year to the start of Summer with nearly no one "vaccinated" and increased as the number of people got "vaccinated". Pretty simple to see. Show me study from April to August. If our "leaders" had any sense they would be pushing updated versions of the shot, because we have been told there are new "variants". There is more than one type of Flu and if your Flu shot doesn't have the version you are exposed to you are going to get sick, except of course unless you have already been exposed to that strain (T-Cell imunity).
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