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Exclamation The Athletic: Big 12, Pac 12 commissioners scheduled to meet Tuesday: Sources
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Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby is scheduled to meet with new Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff on Tuesday, multiple sources told The Athletic.

Their meeting is expected to be a key first step in talks about whether the two conferences would benefit from strategically working together during college sports’ new phase of realignment.

Kliavkoff was unavailable for comment. Bowlsby and the Big 12 declined comment.

Discussions on a pact between the two could go in several different directions. One option would be a scheduling alliance between Big 12 and Pac-12 members. Bowlsby acknowledged this possibility on Monday during his appearance at a Texas Senate committee meeting on the future of college sports in Texas. Pursuing a merger with another conference is another possibility.

“I think there are options for us to partner with other conferences,” Bowlsby said Monday. “There may be opportunity for mergers. There may be opportunities to add members. There may be other opportunities that are currently unforeseen.”

One other possible solution Bowlsby floated while testifying in Austin on Monday would be the Big 12 working with another conference to aggregate their negotiating rights for the next TV deal.

“At this point, all options are on the table and nothing is a bad option,” one Big 12 source said. “We have to explore everything now. It’s not that we’re in panic mode, but let’s keep talking and keep finding out what’s out there.”

Another Big 12 source expects the Bowlsby-Kliavkoff meeting to be more of an “information download” for the Pac-12’s new commissioner to gain a better sense of what the Big 12’s eight remaining members can bring to the table.

“Time is our friend right now, so it’s not like something has to happen by Sept. 1,” the source said. “It’s a matter of starting to work through this and see what it looks like. We’ve got a runway.”

Bowlsby said Monday that these types of partnership opportunities must be explored before the Big 12 would shift its focus to expansion as the answer to replacing Texas and Oklahoma when the two schools exit the conference.

“We haven’t had formal conversations on candidate members,” Bowlsby said. “We think there’s a sequence at which we need to act, and that includes some of the collaborations that I mentioned earlier.”

The Big 12 is estimating the loss of Texas and Oklahoma will mean roughly a 50 percent reduction in the value of its TV rights for its next deal, if not more. While bringing successful Group of 5 members into the Big 12 would help make up for some of that loss, there’s no one or two obtainable expansion candidates that can come close to fully replacing what the conference is losing.

For that reason, an alliance with the Pac-12 might be a more attractive alternative to pitch to their TV partners. The Pac-12’s rights deal expires in 2024, while the Big 12’s contract expires in 2025. At this point, though, it’s unclear whether a scheduling alliance is considered an appealing option to Pac-12 leadership.

“It’s going to come down to how do our TV partners look at that from a financial perspective, and who knows?” a source said.

A partnership with the Pac-12 would create obvious travel challenges for West Virginia as the lone East Coast member of the Big 12, but one source said the school’s leaders have not objected to Bowlsby exploring these possibilities if they can help maintain Power 5 status and provide financial security.

Such a move, if achievable, would seriously stabilize the Big 12 and would help the Pac-12 as well. Kliavkoff inherited a number of issues in accepting his new role, including a concerning financial gap the Pac-12 faces relative to the SEC and the Big Ten.

Kliavkoff, whose first day on the job was July 1, has said he’s currently in “listening mode” as he tries to assess and forecast the landscape for his membership during these uncertain times. At Pac-12 media day last week, he acknowledged his conference had already received “significant inbound interest” from schools seeking membership. He has called the concept of scheduling alliances an interesting opportunity that is under discussion, though more speculation up to this point has centered on the Pac-12 aligning with the Big Ten.

All these possibilities merit consideration as the rest of the Power 5 conferences work to determine how they’ll respond to and keep up with the SEC’s expansion move. By working together, the Big 12 and Pac-12 could help each other hold off other conferences from attempting to poach their more valuable members.

“This is going to make for some very strange bedfellows going forward,” Bowlsby said on Monday. “These are unprecedented challenges.”

— The Athletic’s Bruce Feldman contributed reporting.
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RE: The Athletic: Big 12, Pac 12 commissioners scheduled to meet Tuesday: Sources
Good thing for us is that I see no mention of AAC. Best thing for us is hopefully that p5 leagues don’t work with AAC and we move up to get one of the last 2-3 spots in AAC. Keep league in tact to make a possible jump worthwhile.
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RE: The Athletic: Big 12, Pac 12 commissioners scheduled to meet Tuesday: Sources
This will happen eventually, but it will be after the Big Ten takes USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Cal and Stanford.

I don't know why everyone thinks the Big 12 will have any interest in AAC or MWC schools. Out of desperation maybe.
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RE: The Athletic: Big 12, Pac 12 commissioners scheduled to meet Tuesday: Sources
(08-03-2021 11:42 AM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  This will happen eventually, but it will be after the Big Ten takes USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Cal and Stanford.

Repeating my talking points I see except I didn't include Washington due to a B1G insider credible source not listing them as one of the schools that would listen. Also the B1G would not poach an odd number of schools.

I could see a merger happening first then the B1G inviting those schools. In this scenario no programs from the PAC and Big 12 would be homeless.
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RE: The Athletic: Big 12, Pac 12 commissioners scheduled to meet Tuesday: Sources
yes, they would because Colorado would end up in Nebraska's division. 4 divisions of 6.

Your last sentence is exactly what will happen. The Big will take the 6 california schools + Colorado, who makes more sense than Arizona, and then the remainders will merge with what's left of the Big 12 after the SEC takes a couple more from that side (Kansas and Oklahoma State. The SEC will have a plains division of Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Mizzou and Kansas. This gives them every major southwest rivalry, restores the Border War, gives the SEC another Blue Blood basketball program and something else they will need in a 24-team model: somebody to finish last.

I only see a couple of G5 programs with even a prayer of being invited to what's to come: UCF, Cincinnati, Houston. And then BYU, who technically isn't a G5. Any others will be acts of pure survival/desperation. Any P5s left hanging by the SEC/Big Ten will band together, not call up G5s, unless they absolutely must to survive.
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RE: The Athletic: Big 12, Pac 12 commissioners scheduled to meet Tuesday: Sources
So take a deep breath DD and understand the B1G currently has 14 teams. So again the B1G isn't going to invite an odd numbers of teams from the PAC 12. Also, I know you're only stating what you think will happen but I got my info from Buckeye Scoop on YouTube who was talking to a B1G insider. The insider told him he had a credible source tell him that USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Colorado are in play and Stanford and California are listening. No mention of Washington. You can go to the six minute mark and start listening if you're interested:





As far as the SEC adding any additional schools from the Big 12, if they don't bring a monetary value to the tv deal they're not gonna get invited. And this comes from people who follow the SEC, not my opinion.

The B1G isn't going to jump from 14 to 24 schools right away. It may eventually happen but not within the next few years. You can go to 20 teams with 4 divisions or pods or whatever.
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RE: The Athletic: Big 12, Pac 12 commissioners scheduled to meet Tuesday: Sources
(08-03-2021 02:37 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  So take a deep breath DD and understand the B1G currently has 14 teams. So again the B1G isn't going to invite an odd numbers of teams from the PAC 12. Also, I know you're only stating what you think will happen but I got my info from Buckeye Scoop on YouTube who was talking to a B1G insider. The insider told him he had a credible source tell him that USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Colorado are in play and Stanford and California are listening. No mention of Washington. You can go to the six minute mark and start listening if you're interested:





As far as the SEC adding any additional schools from the Big 12, if they don't bring a monetary value to the tv deal they're not gonna get invited. And this comes from people who follow the SEC, not my opinion.

The B1G isn't going to jump from 14 to 24 schools right away. It may eventually happen but not within the next few years. You can go to 20 teams with 4 divisions or pods or whatever.


I mean, who could argue with Buckeye Dude. lol

The B1G will also end up taking some ACC and Big 12 programs.

And the SEC will too. It will happen over a period of 5-10 years, not all at once. This stuff NEVER happens all at once.

The SEC will add the Big 12 programs because it will make financial sense by the time we get there, and because it will be a far better fan experience -- the 6 former big 12 schools in a division also allows the SEC West and SEC East to return to their 1992-2013 form and will allow their ACC division to look like, you know, the ACC, while giving them EVERY major southern rivalry under one TV contract.
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RE: The Athletic: Big 12, Pac 12 commissioners scheduled to meet Tuesday: Sources
One thing of note. His insider starts talking about schools to possibly add, and at 6:30 or so as he starts to list them, he begins with "They have to be an AAU member, that's important to the institution" which I interpret as to the conference.

As to anyone taking any team from the ACC, all of those schools signed a grant of rights. No matter where they go, the school's television rights stay with the ACC until 2035.
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RE: The Athletic: Big 12, Pac 12 commissioners scheduled to meet Tuesday: Sources
What isn't gonna happen is some magic call-up for G5 teams.

Since the formation of the CFA in 1977 and the split of Division I football into I-A and I-AA in 1978, the major conferences have added the following teams.

-- Arizona and Arizona State to PAC-10 in 1978 from WAC
-- Utah to Pac-12 in 2012 from Mountain West
-- TCU to Big 12 from Big East/C-USA in 2012.
-- Louisville to ACC from Big East/C-USA in 2014.

In that same time, the following schools were relegated from the club:
-- TCU, SMU, Houston and Rice when Southwest Conference disbanded in 1995 after 8 schools joined the Big 12.
-- USF, UConn, Cincinnati, UCF briefly enjoyed BCS status losing it in the American in 2014.

I suppose it could be argued that schools like Virginia Tech, Boston College, West Virginia, etc., were psuedo call-ups when leaving independence for national success in the Big East, but that's a stretch.

The club isn't going to get bigger, and it's not going to invite new members. If anything, some schools are goinna get the Southwest Conference treatment. Since they can't be kicked out, they'll just be left behind. They will never, ever add G5 members unless it's an act of desperation.
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(08-03-2021 03:10 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  One thing of note. His insider starts talking about schools to possibly add, and at 6:30 or so as he starts to list them, he begins with "They have to be an AAU member, that's important to the institution" which I interpret as to the conference.

As to anyone taking any team from the ACC, all of those schools signed a grant of rights. No matter where they go, the school's television rights stay with the ACC until 2035.


Everything is negotiable, BD. Grant of rights are not ironclad.

And every school I mentioned is AAU. So are schools like Virginia, Iowa State, Duke, UNC.
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RE: The Athletic: Big 12, Pac 12 commissioners scheduled to meet Tuesday: Sources
Then put it this way... those rights will not be relinquished easily. Given how long the date is, they might cost four or five times the $80m the b12 exiles have to cough up. And if UNC tries to take a partial share and repay over time they'll be hamstrung by the difference in finances with the rest of the SEC .
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