Atlanta Journal Constitution finally gets around to talking about SEC expansion. Has a timeline with some history of how the SEC came about. Didn't know about the machinations before the 1933 season when they split from the Southern Conference leaving behind mostly current ACC schools along with a few long time Southern Conference schools. https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-bulld...57TF6T7TU/


"SEC TIMELINE

1894 – First league formed was based in Atlanta and was called Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association (SIAA). It included seven teams: Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Sewanee and Vanderbilt.

1895 – SIAA expands to 19 teams with additions of Central (later Eastern Kentucky), Clemson, Cumberland, Kentucky, Louisiana (LSU), Mercer and Mississippi A&M (later Miss. State).

1920 – After SIAA had grown to (loosely) include 30 schools, 14 colleges break away to form the Southern Conference. That league included Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, N.C. State, Tennessee, Virginia, Virginia Tech and Washington & Lee.

1922 – The Southern Conference grows to 20 members by adding Florida, LSU, South Carolina, Tulane, Vanderbilt and Virginia Military Institute (VMI).

1923 – Southern Conference adds Sewanee.

1928 – Southern Conference adds Duke to top out at 22 teams.

1932 – In December, the original SEC is formed with 13 teams: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Sewanee, Tennessee, Tulane and Vanderbilt.

1940 – Sewanee withdraws from SEC.

1964 – Georgia Tech withdraws from SEC.

1966 – Tulane withdraws from SEC, which now features 10 teams and plays a six-game conference schedule.

1990 – Arkansas (Southwest Conference) and South Carolina (Independent) are voted into league.

1992 – Arkansas and South Carolina begin competition with Eastern and Western Divisions and conference championship game.

2011 – Texas A&M (Big 12) and Missouri (Big 12) are accepted as the SEC’s 13th and 14th members, respectively.

2012 – A&M and Missouri begin SEC play.

2014 – SEC Network is launched.

July 29, 2021 – Oklahoma (Big 12) and Texas (Big 12) are invited to join league. Will enter SEC play in 2025 unless Big 12 grant-of-rights agreement is changed."

Sewanee and Cumberland are currently D-III, correct?

Cumberland KY is NAIA, Mid-South Conference.

(08-01-2021 12:18 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  Cumberland KY is NAIA, Mid-South Conference.

Cumberland, TN. It is NAIA. Its best known for the 1916 game against Georgia Tech. They shortened the quarters to end it quicker. Final 222-0.

When did Ole Miss come into play before the SEC was formed in 1932??? There was no mention of them till the OP stated the original SEC consisting of 13 teams, but before that no mention of them. Just curious.

Both Cumberlands are NAIA and it's the one in Tennessee in the above timeline. It's also the one that attempted to move to D2 a few years ago. Sewanee is in the D3 Southern Athletic Association.

(08-01-2021 01:41 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  When did Ole Miss come into play before the SEC was formed in 1932??? There was no mention of them till the OP stated the original SEC consisting of 13 teams, but before that no mention of them. Just curious.

From wiki. Mississippi was in the SIAA in 1898-1921 then joined the SoCon in 1922.

(08-01-2021 12:18 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  Cumberland KY is NAIA, Mid-South Conference.

(08-01-2021 01:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-01-2021 12:18 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  Cumberland KY is NAIA, Mid-South Conference.

Cumberland, TN. It is NAIA. Its best known for the 1916 game against Georgia Tech. They shortened the quarters to end it quicker. Final 222-0.

Was just about to ask about that

(08-01-2021 11:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  Atlanta Journal Constitution finally gets around to talking about SEC expansion. Has a timeline with some history of how the SEC came about. Didn't know about the machinations before the 1933 season when they split from the Southern Conference leaving behind mostly current ACC schools along with a few long time Southern Conference schools. https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-bulld...57TF6T7TU/


"SEC TIMELINE

1894 – First league formed was based in Atlanta and was called Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association (SIAA). It included seven teams: Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Sewanee and Vanderbilt.

1895 – SIAA expands to 19 teams with additions of Central (later Eastern Kentucky), Clemson, Cumberland, Kentucky, Louisiana (LSU), Mercer and Mississippi A&M (later Miss. State).

1911 - SAIAA forms with Johns Hopkins, Georgetown, UNC, NC State, VT, UVa, and Washington and Lee, MD and Duke join in 1916 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Atlantic_Intercollegiate_Athletic_Association

1920 – After SIAA had grown to (loosely) include 30 schools, 14 colleges break away to form the Southern Conference. SAIAA that had grown to 16 had 5 exit.
That league included Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, N.C. State, Tennessee, Virginia, Virginia Tech and Washington & Lee. The AJC is conflating the SAIAA with the SIAA.
Daily Tar Heel article https://www.newspapers.com/clip/7779842/...-tar-heel/

1922 – The Southern Conference grows to 20 members by adding Florida, LSU, South Carolina, Tulane, Vanderbilt and Virginia Military Institute (VMI).

1923 – Southern Conference adds Sewanee.

1928 – Southern Conference adds Duke to top out at 22 teams.

1932 – In December, the original SEC is formed with 13 teams: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Sewanee, Tennessee, Tulane and Vanderbilt.

1940 – Sewanee withdraws from SEC.

1952 - SoCon bans MD and Clemson from bowls

1953 - ACC leaves SoCon

1964 – Georgia Tech withdraws from SEC.

1965 - Florida inquires about ACC membership, VT petitions again for membership in ACC

1966 – Tulane withdraws from SEC, which now features 10 teams and plays a six-game conference schedule.

1968 - SEC turns down FSU petition to join SEC.

1971 - South Carolina leaves ACC.

1978 - GT voted into ACC.

1989 - ACC and SEC begin to tussle over FSU.

1990 - ACC votes to admit FSU

1990 – Arkansas (Southwest Conference) and South Carolina (Independent) are voted into league.

1992 – Arkansas and South Carolina begin competition with Eastern and Western Divisions and conference championship game.

2011 – Texas A&M (Big 12) and Missouri (Big 12) are accepted as the SEC’s 13th and 14th members, respectively.

2012 – A&M and Missouri begin SEC play.

2014 – SEC Network is launched.

July 29, 2021 – Oklahoma (Big 12) and Texas (Big 12) are invited to join league. Will enter SEC play in 2025 unless Big 12 grant-of-rights agreement is changed."

FIFY - The SEC and ACC have the same father.

(08-01-2021 02:08 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  

(08-01-2021 12:18 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  Cumberland KY is NAIA, Mid-South Conference.

(08-01-2021 01:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-01-2021 12:18 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  Cumberland KY is NAIA, Mid-South Conference.

Cumberland, TN. It is NAIA. Its best known for the 1916 game against Georgia Tech. They shortened the quarters to end it quicker. Final 222-0.

Was just about to ask about that

Yes. Cumberland (TN) is best known for losing 222-0 to a Georgia Tech team coached by John Heisman. That will never be matched again.

IIRC, the one in Kentucky is now known as Cumberlands. It was formerly known as Cumberland College. When they became a university, they took the name University of the Cumberlands. The one in Tennessee was already known as Cumberland University.

The one in TN was part of the forerunner to the SEC.

There has been two intertwined conference tracks in the South since football began. One is a Gulf Coast and the other is a Tidewater Atlantic track. They overlap for a time, and then separate, and then come back together, and then separate. There is more than one "southern" culture and this exemplifies that difference. It will be interesting to see how long the SEC can live with Texas and OU from a cultural standpoint, although they may not be that different now.

(08-01-2021 03:10 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-01-2021 11:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  Atlanta Journal Constitution finally gets around to talking about SEC expansion. Has a timeline with some history of how the SEC came about. Didn't know about the machinations before the 1933 season when they split from the Southern Conference leaving behind mostly current ACC schools along with a few long time Southern Conference schools. https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-bulld...57TF6T7TU/


"SEC TIMELINE

1894 – First league formed was based in Atlanta and was called Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association (SIAA). It included seven teams: Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Sewanee and Vanderbilt.

1895 – SIAA expands to 19 teams with additions of Central (later Eastern Kentucky), Clemson, Cumberland, Kentucky, Louisiana (LSU), Mercer and Mississippi A&M (later Miss. State).

1911 - SAIAA forms with Johns Hopkins, Georgetown, UNC, NC State, VT, UVa, and Washington and Lee, MD and Duke join in 1916 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Atlantic_Intercollegiate_Athletic_Association

1920 – After SIAA had grown to (loosely) include 30 schools, 14 colleges break away to form the Southern Conference. SAIAA that had grown to 16 had 5 exit.
That league included Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, N.C. State, Tennessee, Virginia, Virginia Tech and Washington & Lee. The AJC is conflating the SAIAA with the SIAA.
Daily Tar Heel article https://www.newspapers.com/clip/7779842/...-tar-heel/

1922 – The Southern Conference grows to 20 members by adding Florida, LSU, South Carolina, Tulane, Vanderbilt and Virginia Military Institute (VMI).

1923 – Southern Conference adds Sewanee.

1928 – Southern Conference adds Duke to top out at 22 teams.

1932 – In December, the original SEC is formed with 13 teams: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Sewanee, Tennessee, Tulane and Vanderbilt.

1940 – Sewanee withdraws from SEC.

1952 - SoCon bans MD and Clemson from bowls

1953 - ACC leaves SoCon

1964 – Georgia Tech withdraws from SEC.

1965 - Florida inquires about ACC membership, VT petitions again for membership in ACC

1966 – Tulane withdraws from SEC, which now features 10 teams and plays a six-game conference schedule.

1968 - SEC turns down FSU petition to join SEC.

1971 - South Carolina leaves ACC.

1978 - GT voted into ACC.

1989 - ACC and SEC begin to tussle over FSU.

1990 - ACC votes to admit FSU

1990 – Arkansas (Southwest Conference) and South Carolina (Independent) are voted into league.

1992 – Arkansas and South Carolina begin competition with Eastern and Western Divisions and conference championship game.

2011 – Texas A&M (Big 12) and Missouri (Big 12) are accepted as the SEC’s 13th and 14th members, respectively.

2012 – A&M and Missouri begin SEC play.

2014 – SEC Network is launched.

July 29, 2021 – Oklahoma (Big 12) and Texas (Big 12) are invited to join league. Will enter SEC play in 2025 unless Big 12 grant-of-rights agreement is changed."

FIFY - The SEC and ACC have the same father.

This was a history of the SEC, not the ACC. The ACC's history can include its members' history in the SoCon, SIAA, and SAIAA, but the trajectory of the SEC since its formation in December 1932 is separate from that of the ACC. There's no reason to include the history of the ACC or the SoCon after the SEC split off.

The SAIAA is an interesting topic all its own. Today, it would be seen more as a scheduling alliance than a traditional conference.

(08-01-2021 05:08 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  The SAIAA is an interesting topic all its own. Today, it would be seen more as a scheduling alliance than a traditional conference.

Why is that?

Nerd, just because you represent a cultural isolate is no reason to cast aspersions on history. And the AJC's article had errors. Did you write their article?

(08-01-2021 06:17 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Nerd, just because you represent a cultural isolate is no reason to cast aspersions on history. And the AJC's article had errors. Did you write their article?

I'm interested to know what cultural isolate you're referring to.