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(09-20-2021 03:20 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 02:20 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  League affiliation only plays a small role in getting multiple bids unless the league is so inept it hurts you rather than having a neutral impact (like the CAA does). You really have to have a special season, regardless of which mid-major league you're in, to get an at-large bid. Especially now that NIL and transfer portal rules help P5's more than ever before.

I definitely don't want to think small either, and do not only want but EXPECT to get back to the place we were in in 2006 and even under Keatts where we were a legit threat for an at-large bid with just 1-2 more quality wins. But it doesn't matter to me much which league we try to do that as long as its not the CAA.

The A-Sun and SoCon both intrigue me because they tend to be quality baseball conferences. If Charleston balks at the SoCon and we can being along with us to the A-Sun we'll have them and Liberty as good rivals in baseball. And the SoCon would offer even better matchups there. But I'd gladly settle for the Big South.

There is nothing about the Big South that appeals to me at all. ASUN possibly, but Liberty isn't long for that conference. They still have a bad mix of small private schools and larger publics. They already have E/W divisions with six teams in each. It is interesting that UNCW just competed with Jacksonville in a volleyball tournament that included Jacksonville.
I'm glad im not the only one that noticed that.
We also had a M soccer match with them this year.

Its about the same drive to Towson as it is to Jacksonvile and North Florida
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(09-20-2021 04:32 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 03:20 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 02:20 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  League affiliation only plays a small role in getting multiple bids unless the league is so inept it hurts you rather than having a neutral impact (like the CAA does). You really have to have a special season, regardless of which mid-major league you're in, to get an at-large bid. Especially now that NIL and transfer portal rules help P5's more than ever before.

I definitely don't want to think small either, and do not only want but EXPECT to get back to the place we were in in 2006 and even under Keatts where we were a legit threat for an at-large bid with just 1-2 more quality wins. But it doesn't matter to me much which league we try to do that as long as its not the CAA.

The A-Sun and SoCon both intrigue me because they tend to be quality baseball conferences. If Charleston balks at the SoCon and we can being along with us to the A-Sun we'll have them and Liberty as good rivals in baseball. And the SoCon would offer even better matchups there. But I'd gladly settle for the Big South.

There is nothing about the Big South that appeals to me at all. ASUN possibly, but Liberty isn't long for that conference. They still have a bad mix of small private schools and larger publics. They already have E/W divisions with six teams in each. It is interesting that UNCW just competed with Jacksonville in a volleyball tournament that included Jacksonville.
I'm glad im not the only one that noticed that.
We also had a M soccer match with them this year.

Its about the same drive to Towson as it is to Jacksonvile and North Florida

Interesting that UNCW and CoC both recently joined the ASUN as affiliate members for Beach Volleyball.
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(09-20-2021 03:20 PM)82hawk Wrote:  There is nothing about the Big South that appeals to me at all.

It's not the CAA and would significantly reduce travel costs, so I'd take it. We could easily look to jump ship to a new conference a few years later, if need be. It's the way of the collegiate landscape at this point. With JMU, Charleston and Elon likely all departing from the CAA in short order, there's absolutely nothing the CAA will offer us going forward. Not that it has offered us much of any positives the last few years anyways.

But I fully agree that the A-Sun and SoCon are strongly preferable options to the Big South.
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(09-20-2021 09:39 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 03:20 PM)82hawk Wrote:  There is nothing about the Big South that appeals to me at all.

It's not the CAA and would significantly reduce travel costs, so I'd take it. We could easily look to jump ship to a new conference a few years later, if need be. It's the way of the collegiate landscape at this point. With JMU, Charleston and Elon likely all departing from the CAA in short order, there's absolutely nothing the CAA will offer us going forward. Not that it has offered us much of any positives the last few years anyways.

But I fully agree that the A-Sun and SoCon are strongly preferable options to the Big South.

UNCW has good long term upside as a conference mate for several conferences superior to the Big South. Big South basketball is an embarrassment. The ASUN smoke seems to be supported by a few games against ASUN teams very recently, and their very aggressive plan requires a large influx of schools. Any southern conference has got to be looking to the future, and they have to take into account future losses they may suffer. UNCW has to be considered a pretty good candidate. I'd rate us a 2.5* for those seeking a good basketball and academic school.

If we are ready to commit to FCS football, i'd say the SoCon would be very interested.
If we want to remain non-football, i'd say we are very attractive to the ASUN.
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(09-21-2021 12:48 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:39 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 03:20 PM)82hawk Wrote:  There is nothing about the Big South that appeals to me at all.

It's not the CAA and would significantly reduce travel costs, so I'd take it. We could easily look to jump ship to a new conference a few years later, if need be. It's the way of the collegiate landscape at this point. With JMU, Charleston and Elon likely all departing from the CAA in short order, there's absolutely nothing the CAA will offer us going forward. Not that it has offered us much of any positives the last few years anyways.

But I fully agree that the A-Sun and SoCon are strongly preferable options to the Big South.

UNCW has good long term upside as a conference mate for several conferences superior to the Big South. Big South basketball is an embarrassment. The ASUN smoke seems to be supported by a few games against ASUN teams very recently, and their very aggressive plan requires a large influx of schools. Any southern conference has got to be looking to the future, and they have to take into account future losses they may suffer. UNCW has to be considered a pretty good candidate. I'd rate us a 2.5* for those seeking a good basketball and academic school.

If we are ready to commit to FCS football, i'd say the SoCon would be very interested.
If we want to remain non-football, i'd say we are very attractive to the ASUN.
While i agree that the Big South isn't a powerhouse, saying it's an embarrassment is an oversell, unless you think the CAA is as well. Once you get to the bottom 10 conferences, you are literally arguing over who is the tallest midget. Winthrop is a better team than the CAA has had in several years, and has been consistently there. I'm with 08, reducing travel and maybe being near the top of the big south would help the department from a finances perspective and make us more attractive to better options in years to come. not the #1 choice, but a better one than our current situation especially if there is a possibility to bring an Elon or CoC with.
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(09-21-2021 01:09 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  While i agree that the Big South isn't a powerhouse, saying it's an embarrassment is an oversell, unless you think the CAA is as well. Once you get to the bottom 10 conferences, you are literally arguing over who is the tallest midget. Winthrop is a better team than the CAA has had in several years, and has been consistently there.

While your point is valid, conference resources are not as equal as the results. If they were Kelsey wouldnt have left Winthrop where success was just about guaranteed to join the CAA and CofC. The CAA is still ahead in the pecking order (for now)
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(09-21-2021 01:09 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 12:48 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:39 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 03:20 PM)82hawk Wrote:  There is nothing about the Big South that appeals to me at all.

It's not the CAA and would significantly reduce travel costs, so I'd take it. We could easily look to jump ship to a new conference a few years later, if need be. It's the way of the collegiate landscape at this point. With JMU, Charleston and Elon likely all departing from the CAA in short order, there's absolutely nothing the CAA will offer us going forward. Not that it has offered us much of any positives the last few years anyways.

But I fully agree that the A-Sun and SoCon are strongly preferable options to the Big South.

UNCW has good long term upside as a conference mate for several conferences superior to the Big South. Big South basketball is an embarrassment. The ASUN smoke seems to be supported by a few games against ASUN teams very recently, and their very aggressive plan requires a large influx of schools. Any southern conference has got to be looking to the future, and they have to take into account future losses they may suffer. UNCW has to be considered a pretty good candidate. I'd rate us a 2.5* for those seeking a good basketball and academic school.

If we are ready to commit to FCS football, i'd say the SoCon would be very interested.
If we want to remain non-football, i'd say we are very attractive to the ASUN.
While i agree that the Big South isn't a powerhouse, saying it's an embarrassment is an oversell, unless you think the CAA is as well. Once you get to the bottom 10 conferences, you are literally arguing over who is the tallest midget. Winthrop is a better team than the CAA has had in several years, and has been consistently there. I'm with 08, reducing travel and maybe being near the top of the big south would help the department from a finances perspective and make us more attractive to better options in years to come. not the #1 choice, but a better one than our current situation especially if there is a possibility to bring an Elon or CoC with.

There is no upside in the Big South, we have nothing in common with any of the schools besides the fact they are all universities. UNCW is the fastest growing school in the UNC system and are best days are in front of us. I can't say that about any school in the Big South. Ten of the twelve schools have less than 7,000 students and the other two have 10k and 12k. UNCW is at 18k and growing quickly. That would be like waving a white flag and giving up.
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(09-21-2021 01:25 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 01:09 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 12:48 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:39 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 03:20 PM)82hawk Wrote:  There is nothing about the Big South that appeals to me at all.

It's not the CAA and would significantly reduce travel costs, so I'd take it. We could easily look to jump ship to a new conference a few years later, if need be. It's the way of the collegiate landscape at this point. With JMU, Charleston and Elon likely all departing from the CAA in short order, there's absolutely nothing the CAA will offer us going forward. Not that it has offered us much of any positives the last few years anyways.

But I fully agree that the A-Sun and SoCon are strongly preferable options to the Big South.

UNCW has good long term upside as a conference mate for several conferences superior to the Big South. Big South basketball is an embarrassment. The ASUN smoke seems to be supported by a few games against ASUN teams very recently, and their very aggressive plan requires a large influx of schools. Any southern conference has got to be looking to the future, and they have to take into account future losses they may suffer. UNCW has to be considered a pretty good candidate. I'd rate us a 2.5* for those seeking a good basketball and academic school.

If we are ready to commit to FCS football, i'd say the SoCon would be very interested.
If we want to remain non-football, i'd say we are very attractive to the ASUN.
While i agree that the Big South isn't a powerhouse, saying it's an embarrassment is an oversell, unless you think the CAA is as well. Once you get to the bottom 10 conferences, you are literally arguing over who is the tallest midget. Winthrop is a better team than the CAA has had in several years, and has been consistently there. I'm with 08, reducing travel and maybe being near the top of the big south would help the department from a finances perspective and make us more attractive to better options in years to come. not the #1 choice, but a better one than our current situation especially if there is a possibility to bring an Elon or CoC with.

There is no upside in the Big South, we have nothing in common with any of the schools besides the fact they are all universities. UNCW is the fastest growing school in the UNC system and are best days are in front of us. I can't say that about any school in the Big South. Ten of the twelve schools have less than 7,000 students and the other two have 10k and 12k. UNCW is at 18k and growing quickly. That would be like waving a white flag and giving up.
Beggar's can't be choosers. You can paint any good picture of the school you want, fact of the matter is we are stuck in a conference that makes no sense where travel drains us financially. And our best and most revenue driving sport has sucked for 5 years. Yes, I'd love to go to the So Con or literally just about any other option we have discussed, but we have to be realistic about where we are at. A move to the Big South and out athletic department would definitely be in better financial shape in 5 years than if we stayed in the CAA just based on travel savings alone.
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As I recall, the ASun has an elaborate concept/plan to add a bunch of schools, then split itself into two conferences - one that plays football and one that doesn't - each of which would have an automatic bid. If their commissioner has laid out a vision of what that might look like after all of the pieces are put into place , leadership at UNCW , Charleston, and whoever else, might be seeing a future that we are not yet able to see.

Interesting developments...
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(09-21-2021 02:52 PM)70shawk Wrote:  As I recall, the ASun has an elaborate concept/plan to add a bunch of schools, then split itself into two conferences - one that plays football and one that doesn't - each of which would have an automatic bid. If their commissioner has laid out a vision of what that might look like after all of the pieces are put into place , leadership at UNCW , Charleston, and whoever else, might be seeing a future that we are not yet able to see.

Interesting developments...

Any conference splitting and new auto bids for mid and lower major conference raises and eyebrow to me.

The $$ conferences do not want any more auto bids so Im incredibly skeptical of that portion of his plan
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You also have to realize how small some of the schools are in the Big South. I don’t think CofC would want to play in the same conference with Charleston Southern who still has their 900 seat gym. Going in there for a game is like going back to the 80s. I remember the last time CofC played CSU there (going back to when Doug Wojcik was coach), they only gave us 20 tickets.

As a CofC fan I think we still have “bigger” aspirations. Sure we’ve made one NCAA tournament in over 2 decades, but I don’t think our AD would have brought in the Battery to renovate the stadium and probably make it the nicest mid-major soccer stadium if they didn’t have aspirations.

Every USL game we basically get a free 2 hour commercial with our stadium. We haven’t hosted a MLS team yet with no preseason or US Open Cup, but it’s a big talking point. Plus the Charleston Classic on our court every year. Not that we wouldn’t have that in a new league, but how many other schools our size have both of those carrots?
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(09-21-2021 08:58 PM)sctvman Wrote:  You also have to realize how small some of the schools are in the Big South. I don’t think CofC would want to play in the same conference with Charleston Southern who still has their 900 seat gym. Going in there for a game is like going back to the 80s. I remember the last time CofC played CSU there (going back to when Doug Wojcik was coach), they only gave us 20 tickets.

As a CofC fan I think we still have “bigger” aspirations. Sure we’ve made one NCAA tournament in over 2 decades, but I don’t think our AD would have brought in the Battery to renovate the stadium and probably make it the nicest mid-major soccer stadium if they didn’t have aspirations.

Every USL game we basically get a free 2 hour commercial with our stadium. We haven’t hosted a MLS team yet with no preseason or US Open Cup, but it’s a big talking point. Plus the Charleston Classic on our court every year. Not that we wouldn’t have that in a new league, but how many other schools our size have both of those carrots?

Ignore the Big South talk here. The idea that UNCW or CofC are "beggars" is ridiculous. If word gets out that we are looking to move, both schools will be courted. As was stated, CofC didn't take the successful coach from Wofford because you're beggars. And UNCW isn't either. I'm not willing to toss out a move to the A10 for UNCW and CofC together. The good thing about the A10 is that they give 75% of their NCAA shares to the school that earns them, so there is no great financial loss to other schools if we both came on board. And there is not doubt that both schools have a great deal of upside as non-football schools going forward.

If the ASUN vision is legit, it would be a great place to go as well.

But the Big South? No way on earth.
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(09-21-2021 08:58 PM)sctvman Wrote:  You also have to realize how small some of the schools are in the Big South. I don’t think CofC would want to play in the same conference with Charleston Southern who still has their 900 seat gym. Going in there for a game is like going back to the 80s. I remember the last time CofC played CSU there (going back to when Doug Wojcik was coach), they only gave us 20 tickets.

As a CofC fan I think we still have “bigger” aspirations. Sure we’ve made one NCAA tournament in over 2 decades, but I don’t think our AD would have brought in the Battery to renovate the stadium and probably make it the nicest mid-major soccer stadium if they didn’t have aspirations.

Every USL game we basically get a free 2 hour commercial with our stadium. We haven’t hosted a MLS team yet with no preseason or US Open Cup, but it’s a big talking point. Plus the Charleston Classic on our court every year. Not that we wouldn’t have that in a new league, but how many other schools our size have both of those carrots?
They play in a conference with NU who has a who plays in what it sounds to be like a similar arena
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(09-21-2021 09:22 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 08:58 PM)sctvman Wrote:  You also have to realize how small some of the schools are in the Big South. I don’t think CofC would want to play in the same conference with Charleston Southern who still has their 900 seat gym. Going in there for a game is like going back to the 80s. I remember the last time CofC played CSU there (going back to when Doug Wojcik was coach), they only gave us 20 tickets.

As a CofC fan I think we still have “bigger” aspirations. Sure we’ve made one NCAA tournament in over 2 decades, but I don’t think our AD would have brought in the Battery to renovate the stadium and probably make it the nicest mid-major soccer stadium if they didn’t have aspirations.

Every USL game we basically get a free 2 hour commercial with our stadium. We haven’t hosted a MLS team yet with no preseason or US Open Cup, but it’s a big talking point. Plus the Charleston Classic on our court every year. Not that we wouldn’t have that in a new league, but how many other schools our size have both of those carrots?

Ignore the Big South talk here. The idea that UNCW or CofC are "beggars" is ridiculous. If word gets out that we are looking to move, both schools will be courted. As was stated, CofC didn't take the successful coach from Wofford because you're beggars. And UNCW isn't either. I'm not willing to toss out a move to the A10 for UNCW and CofC together. The good thing about the A10 is that they give 75% of their NCAA shares to the school that earns them, so there is no great financial loss to other schools if we both came on board. And there is not doubt that both schools have a great deal of upside as non-football schools going forward.

If the ASUN vision is legit, it would be a great place to go as well.

But the Big South? No way on earth.
You just completely ignore a few things(as you always do). A, UNCW Athletic department is not in good shape financially. And B, this isn't the early 2000's or even the few years during that guy at State's run. Our premier sport has sucked for the last 4/5 years. I know you seem to think we are back, and hopefully we are. But we are not there yet. Sometimes you have to look in the mirror and call a spade a spade. And Again, no one is saying Big South is a #1 destination. Obviously, the ASUN or SoCON would be better landing spots.
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Again, I'm not saying I truly want to be in the Big South or that it's anywhere close to as good of a league for us as the A-Sun or SoCon. Those 2 leagues are 1a/1b for me from the options available and the Big South is a distant 3rd.

All I'm saying is that I'd still strongly prefer it to the CAA. They play some of their games on ESPN+, no? And if the CAA isn't likely to have JMU, Charleston, or Elon in it, the CAA serves no purpose for us. Sticking around as the lone southern contingent while the CAA struggles to find replacements is simply not an option. Hence why its on the list of 3 leagues I've been told that UNCW is considering, whether folks like that or not.

Hopefully its moot and we end up with the A-Sun or SoCon. Either one is great to me.
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(09-22-2021 03:52 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Again, I'm not saying I truly want to be in the Big South or that it's anywhere close to as good of a league for us as the A-Sun or SoCon. Those 2 leagues are 1a/1b for me from the options available and the Big South is a distant 3rd.

All I'm saying is that I'd still strongly prefer it to the CAA. They play some of their games on ESPN+, no? And if the CAA isn't likely to have JMU, Charleston, or Elon in it, the CAA serves no purpose for us. Sticking around as the lone southern contingent while the CAA struggles to find replacements is simply not an option. Hence why its on the list of 3 leagues I've been told that UNCW is considering, whether folks like that or not.

Hopefully its moot and we end up with the A-Sun or SoCon. Either one is great to me.

If we ever join the Big South, we are never leaving that conference.

We would do fine, even find success in the Big South. But its the bottom level of competition in D1. We would be setting ourselves up for a permanent future with a very low ceiling.

The only reason we should consider the Big South is if there is no other option including staying in the CAA.
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(09-22-2021 06:54 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 08:58 PM)sctvman Wrote:  You also have to realize how small some of the schools are in the Big South. I don’t think CofC would want to play in the same conference with Charleston Southern who still has their 900 seat gym. Going in there for a game is like going back to the 80s. I remember the last time CofC played CSU there (going back to when Doug Wojcik was coach), they only gave us 20 tickets.

As a CofC fan I think we still have “bigger” aspirations. Sure we’ve made one NCAA tournament in over 2 decades, but I don’t think our AD would have brought in the Battery to renovate the stadium and probably make it the nicest mid-major soccer stadium if they didn’t have aspirations.

Every USL game we basically get a free 2 hour commercial with our stadium. We haven’t hosted a MLS team yet with no preseason or US Open Cup, but it’s a big talking point. Plus the Charleston Classic on our court every year. Not that we wouldn’t have that in a new league, but how many other schools our size have both of those carrots?
They play in a conference with NU who has a who plays in what it sounds to be like a similar arena

While Northeastern seemingly plays to no one, they actually play in a hockey arena that has a capacity of around 5,000 for basketball. CSU plays in a gym that looks like a high school gym. We played there in the Buzz Peterson days. It is tiny. Loud, but tiny.
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(09-22-2021 06:57 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
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(09-21-2021 08:58 PM)sctvman Wrote:  You also have to realize how small some of the schools are in the Big South. I don’t think CofC would want to play in the same conference with Charleston Southern who still has their 900 seat gym. Going in there for a game is like going back to the 80s. I remember the last time CofC played CSU there (going back to when Doug Wojcik was coach), they only gave us 20 tickets.

As a CofC fan I think we still have “bigger” aspirations. Sure we’ve made one NCAA tournament in over 2 decades, but I don’t think our AD would have brought in the Battery to renovate the stadium and probably make it the nicest mid-major soccer stadium if they didn’t have aspirations.

Every USL game we basically get a free 2 hour commercial with our stadium. We haven’t hosted a MLS team yet with no preseason or US Open Cup, but it’s a big talking point. Plus the Charleston Classic on our court every year. Not that we wouldn’t have that in a new league, but how many other schools our size have both of those carrots?

Ignore the Big South talk here. The idea that UNCW or CofC are "beggars" is ridiculous. If word gets out that we are looking to move, both schools will be courted. As was stated, CofC didn't take the successful coach from Wofford because you're beggars. And UNCW isn't either. I'm not willing to toss out a move to the A10 for UNCW and CofC together. The good thing about the A10 is that they give 75% of their NCAA shares to the school that earns them, so there is no great financial loss to other schools if we both came on board. And there is not doubt that both schools have a great deal of upside as non-football schools going forward.

If the ASUN vision is legit, it would be a great place to go as well.

But the Big South? No way on earth.
You just completely ignore a few things(as you always do). A, UNCW Athletic department is not in good shape financially. And B, this isn't the early 2000's or even the few years during that guy at State's run. Our premier sport has sucked for the last 4/5 years. I know you seem to think we are back, and hopefully we are. But we are not there yet. Sometimes you have to look in the mirror and call a spade a spade. And Again, no one is saying Big South is a #1 destination. Obviously, the ASUN or SoCON would be better landing spots.

You have no idea what you're talking about. What makes you think the athletic department is in bad financial shape, because I know for a fact that's no true. Now, they aren't in P5 financial shape, but the financial condition of the athletic department is fine. Take a look at ECU finances if you want to "bad shape".
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Yup. Northeastern hosted Michigan State only a few years ago. Definitely not a small time gym. Their women’s gym (and where they played men’s games last season) is like a HS gym, but not Matthews.

Whenever UNCW started their athletic department in D1 back in the 70s, you guys would have been a SoCon fit if football had been included from the start like Western Carolina, but Wilmington was such a different area back then and UNCW didn’t go over 5,000 students until the early 80s.

Western Carolina was in the SoCon from the beginning because they chose the football path. I don’t know the history, but having football could have been a gold mine for UNCW even in the 80s. There was no D1 between Citadel/Baptist College and Hampton Roads other than East Carolina until Coastal went in I think 1985 or 1986.

The entire path of the university could have been different had UNCW started with a football program.
09-22-2021 09:09 PM
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(09-22-2021 09:09 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Yup. Northeastern hosted Michigan State only a few years ago. Definitely not a small time gym. Their women’s gym (and where they played men’s games last season) is like a HS gym, but not Matthews.

Whenever UNCW started their athletic department in D1 back in the 70s, you guys would have been a SoCon fit if football had been included from the start like Western Carolina, but Wilmington was such a different area back then and UNCW didn’t go over 5,000 students until the early 80s.

Western Carolina was in the SoCon from the beginning because they chose the football path. I don’t know the history, but having football could have been a gold mine for UNCW even in the 80s. There was no D1 between Citadel/Baptist College and Hampton Roads other than East Carolina until Coastal went in I think 1985 or 1986.

The entire path of the university could have been different had UNCW started with a football program.

I don't think much would have changed for us if we had football the entire time except we would be a SoCon stalwart instead of a CAA stalwart.

Unless we had captured lightening in a bottle I don't see an opportunity for us to ever be FBS had we been a football school. We would likely be in a position similar to Western Carolina
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