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RE: UNCW and and the CAA
JMU is as good as gone. They have several good options to go FBS and there is no reason to stay in the CAA at this point. So, what does the CAA do with 9 full time members and 11 football members? Is there an option that can bring strength to both sports?

IMO, they have got to put together a N/S division setup this time around or the CAA will fall apart. William and Mary will be the lone VA school after the heyday when there were 5 teams from Virginia and the CAA was a powerhouse. There is a pretty tight geographic core for the northern schools of NU, Hofstra, Drexel, Delaware and Towson. 400 miles is the longest distance between Towson and NU. Then there are schools to the south of W&M, Elon, UNCW and Cofc with the longest distance of 467 miles of CofC to Williamsburg.

We would need to add two schools in the South and one school in the North for basketball. And one school for football. I would love to see Campbell and UNCG added in the South. Campbell is on the rise as a university and they've been a good long term rival for UNCW in basketball. UNCG has risen in basketball although it remains to be seen how they do with Miller gone. These schools would move the synergy of the CAA to North Carolina with UNCW, Elon, UNCG and Campbell. That could replace the rivalries that used to exist in Virginia to bring some excitement to the conference. The CAA basketball tournament could also be held at the Greensboro Coliseum, which could lead to a really good crowd with Elon and UNCG right there, and Campbell, UNCW and William and Mary all less than four hours away. Potentially bringing back crowds like we used to see in Richmond.

North. New Hampshire could be invited to become a full member since they are already a CAA football school. Maybe UMBC which only has basketball or maybe Stony Brook which is already in CAA football.

North - Hofstra, Stony Brook/UMBC/NH, NU, Delaware, Towson, Drexel
South - CofC, UNCW, Elon, Campbell, UNCG, William and Mary
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Stony Brook would have to be the North team in any realignment.

After UNH football they bring little to the table. Bad men's hoops, no baseball program and they have no market whatsoever.

Hell, even Albany would be a better choice.
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(09-11-2021 10:59 PM)geewizNU Wrote:  Stony Brook would have to be the North team in any realignment.

After UNH football they bring little to the table. Bad men's hoops, no baseball program and they have no market whatsoever.

Hell, even Albany would be a better choice.


Lol, I made the assumption that a school that was THE state school would have a decent following. The North division would need to add a school that is already playing CAA football or one that doesn't have football. Stony Brook makes the most sense from a geographical standpoint. And after searching schools, there weren't many basketball only schools that would potentially move.

IMO, allowing football only membership was a huge mistake. Make these schools choose the best conference for all their sports and the CAA would end up being the best choice for schools like Richmond and Rhode Island. I doubt either would drop football in favor of staying in the A10 just for basketball.
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UNCG's Athletic Director resigned earlier this month. No reason was given for her resignation, but she had been there for 12 years, had been given a raise and an extension in May, and had just hired a replacement for Wes Miller.

New Hampshire has never gone to the NCAA Tournament in Men's Basketball. They had a coach, Gerry Friel, who was there for many years, but could not win consistently. He was let go and a succession of coaches has come and gone without anyone breaking through. Late in Friel's tenure, they were averaging 411 fans per game.

UNCG has a good baseball stadium in the middle of campus. It has hosted the NCAA Women's Soccer Championship. If it could be persuaded to join the CAA, it would be a good addition for UNCW, Elon, and CofC.

If the ACC moves its headquarters from Greensboro, Greensboro would be more open to hosting other conferences' tournaments. The CAA could play in Greensboro every 4-5 years.
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(09-11-2021 08:30 PM)82hawk Wrote:  JMU is as good as gone. They have several good options to go FBS and there is no reason to stay in the CAA at this point. So, what does the CAA do with 9 full time members and 11 football members? Is there an option that can bring strength to both sports?

IMO, they have got to put together a N/S division setup this time around or the CAA will fall apart. William and Mary will be the lone VA school after the heyday when there were 5 teams from Virginia and the CAA was a powerhouse. There is a pretty tight geographic core for the northern schools of NU, Hofstra, Drexel, Delaware and Towson. 400 miles is the longest distance between Towson and NU. Then there are schools to the south of W&M, Elon, UNCW and Cofc with the longest distance of 467 miles of CofC to Williamsburg.
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We would need to add two schools in the South and one school in the North for basketball. And one school for football. I would love to see Campbell and UNCG added in the South. Campbell is on the rise as a university and they've been a good long term rival for UNCW in basketball. UNCG has risen in basketball although it remains to be seen how they do with Miller gone. These schools would move the synergy of the CAA to North Carolina with UNCW, Elon, UNCG and Campbell. That could replace the rivalries that used to exist in Virginia to bring some excitement to the conference. The CAA basketball tournament could also be held at the Greensboro Coliseum, which could lead to a really good crowd with Elon and UNCG right there, and Campbell, UNCW and William and Mary all less than four hours away. Potentially bringing back crowds like we used to see in Richmond.

North. New Hampshire could be invited to become a full member since they are already a CAA football school. Maybe UMBC which only has basketball or maybe Stony Brook which is already in CAA football.

North - Hofstra, Stony Brook/UMBC/NH, NU, Delaware, Towson, Drexel
South - CofC, UNCW, Elon, Campbell, UNCG, William and Mary

It will be interesting to see if JMU gets an FBS invite this go round. They won't turn it down this time

I would love to get UMBC as northern school #6 and help get the CAA refocused on mid Atlantic basketball

At this point Campbell makes a lot of sense for us as a southern division member of the CAA. UNCG would be awesome too, but they would be foolish to leave the stable and successful SoCon for this hot mess. Would William and Mary want another VA school like Hampton or even Radford? I would go with Winthrop but if W&M wants a 2nd VA school to replace JMU I fell like you gotta honor that
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I agree I dont think the conference will ignore football so a football only member would make the most sense to bring in for divisions. I just struggle to see why W&M would have any interest in staying in the CAA without JMU. I cant see them desiring being the lone VA school. I think the caa dissolves completely personally. And the remnants form back with some reshuffling of the AE, PL, SoCon, ASun, Big South type of conferences. I think the CAA football side will keep going as is which was basically just renamed from before (Yankee Conference) but is still essentially the AE football programs plus CAA programs.

With the lack of media deal, I just struggle to see how the CAA can expand or how stretching the coast as a league, can survive. Its not like any of the remaining schools are making huge money in athletics. I would be ok with a north south split and expansion to that, but just doesnt feel like we have a commish in charge to jump on that. I feel like the conference will wait and see again and fall further/completely
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(09-13-2021 10:21 AM)dan10 Wrote:  I agree I dont think the conference will ignore football so a football only member would make the most sense to bring in for divisions. I just struggle to see why W&M would have any interest in staying in the CAA without JMU. I cant see them desiring being the lone VA school. I think the caa dissolves completely personally. And the remnants form back with some reshuffling of the AE, PL, SoCon, ASun, Big South type of conferences. I think the CAA football side will keep going as is which was basically just renamed from before (Yankee Conference) but is still essentially the AE football programs plus CAA programs.

With the lack of media deal, I just struggle to see how the CAA can expand or how stretching the coast as a league, can survive. Its not like any of the remaining schools are making huge money in athletics. I would be ok with a north south split and expansion to that, but just doesnt feel like we have a commish in charge to jump on that. I feel like the conference will wait and see again and fall further/completely

If I were the AEast and I wanted to kill the CAA:

Once JMU is gone, I would get Delaware, Towson, and W&M to join the AEast. Hartford is going D3 and likely only has 1 or 2 more years left in that AEast. Their departure will leave the AEast at 9. By adding Delaware, Towson, and W&M, the AEast can sponsor football and take control of the Eastern FCS league.
This 12 team AEast would have very sensical divisions

North (Upstate NY/New England)
Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, UMass Lowell, Albany, Binghamton

South (NYC to VA)
Stony Brook, NJIT, Delaware, Towson, UMBC, W&M

With JMU out of the picture, there is just not a good VA Centric solution for W&M in the CAA. This southern AEast division can be presented as the next best alternative

The CAA would be left a jumbled mess with 3 northern non football privates (Drexel, Hofstra, and Northeastern), 2 southern non football publics (UNCW and CoC) and 1 southern FCS private (Elon).
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(09-13-2021 11:41 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 10:21 AM)dan10 Wrote:  I agree I dont think the conference will ignore football so a football only member would make the most sense to bring in for divisions. I just struggle to see why W&M would have any interest in staying in the CAA without JMU. I cant see them desiring being the lone VA school. I think the caa dissolves completely personally. And the remnants form back with some reshuffling of the AE, PL, SoCon, ASun, Big South type of conferences. I think the CAA football side will keep going as is which was basically just renamed from before (Yankee Conference) but is still essentially the AE football programs plus CAA programs.

With the lack of media deal, I just struggle to see how the CAA can expand or how stretching the coast as a league, can survive. Its not like any of the remaining schools are making huge money in athletics. I would be ok with a north south split and expansion to that, but just doesnt feel like we have a commish in charge to jump on that. I feel like the conference will wait and see again and fall further/completely

If I were the AEast and I wanted to kill the CAA:

Once JMU is gone, I would get Delaware, Towson, and W&M to join the AEast. Hartford is going D3 and likely only has 1 or 2 more years left in that AEast. Their departure will leave the AEast at 9. By adding Delaware, Towson, and W&M, the AEast can sponsor football and take control of the Eastern FCS league.
This 12 team AEast would have very sensical divisions

North (Upstate NY/New England)
Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, UMass Lowell, Albany, Binghamton

South (NYC to VA)
Stony Brook, NJIT, Delaware, Towson, UMBC, W&M

With JMU out of the picture, there is just not a good VA Centric solution for W&M in the CAA. This southern AEast division can be presented as the next best alternative

The CAA would be left a jumbled mess with 3 northern non football privates (Drexel, Hofstra, and Northeastern), 2 southern non football publics (UNCW and CoC) and 1 southern FCS private (Elon).

Except overall the AE SUCKS in all sports, including their football members. A N/S CAA division setup would be better in every aspect AND would provide a geographic footprint that would cut costs and promote rivalries.

The SoCon is a decent basketball conference, but I think UNCG would love to be in an athletic conference with UNCW, CofC, Elon, Campbell and William and Mary along with the cache of being in a conference with the academics of William and Mary, Drexel, Hofstra, NU and Delaware.

That's also a conference setup that should have long term stability and the ability to expand much more easily than now. The N/S battle would be over. Each division could add schools if needed without interrupting the entire conference and causing a squabble between northern and southern schools. There could also be an arrangement to strengthen the SOS with interplay each year based on the top tier schools from each conference, leading to the opportunity for at large bids.
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(09-13-2021 04:47 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 11:41 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 10:21 AM)dan10 Wrote:  I agree I dont think the conference will ignore football so a football only member would make the most sense to bring in for divisions. I just struggle to see why W&M would have any interest in staying in the CAA without JMU. I cant see them desiring being the lone VA school. I think the caa dissolves completely personally. And the remnants form back with some reshuffling of the AE, PL, SoCon, ASun, Big South type of conferences. I think the CAA football side will keep going as is which was basically just renamed from before (Yankee Conference) but is still essentially the AE football programs plus CAA programs.

With the lack of media deal, I just struggle to see how the CAA can expand or how stretching the coast as a league, can survive. Its not like any of the remaining schools are making huge money in athletics. I would be ok with a north south split and expansion to that, but just doesnt feel like we have a commish in charge to jump on that. I feel like the conference will wait and see again and fall further/completely

If I were the AEast and I wanted to kill the CAA:

Once JMU is gone, I would get Delaware, Towson, and W&M to join the AEast. Hartford is going D3 and likely only has 1 or 2 more years left in that AEast. Their departure will leave the AEast at 9. By adding Delaware, Towson, and W&M, the AEast can sponsor football and take control of the Eastern FCS league.
This 12 team AEast would have very sensical divisions

North (Upstate NY/New England)
Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, UMass Lowell, Albany, Binghamton

South (NYC to VA)
Stony Brook, NJIT, Delaware, Towson, UMBC, W&M

With JMU out of the picture, there is just not a good VA Centric solution for W&M in the CAA. This southern AEast division can be presented as the next best alternative

The CAA would be left a jumbled mess with 3 northern non football privates (Drexel, Hofstra, and Northeastern), 2 southern non football publics (UNCW and CoC) and 1 southern FCS private (Elon).

Except overall the AE SUCKS in all sports, including their football members. A N/S CAA division setup would be better in every aspect AND would provide a geographic footprint that would cut costs and promote rivalries.

The SoCon is a decent basketball conference, but I think UNCG would love to be in an athletic conference with UNCW, CofC, Elon, Campbell and William and Mary along with the cache of being in a conference with the academics of William and Mary, Drexel, Hofstra, NU and Delaware.

That's also a conference setup that should have long term stability and the ability to expand much more easily than now. The N/S battle would be over. Each division could add schools if needed without interrupting the entire conference and causing a squabble between northern and southern schools. There could also be an arrangement to strengthen the SOS with interplay each year based on the top tier schools from each conference, leading to the opportunity for at large bids.

It probably be best case scenario. I just think UNCG would be absolutely insane to pay $1M to leave the geographically friendly successful at basketball SoCon for a dysfunctional conference in Flo Sports purgatory
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I agree with both of you. I think our media deal hurts our ability to grow and bring schools in. I dont think the CAA has the pull it once did. While getting those schools and growing would be ideal, I feel like the time to do so passed already and we dont have the leadership to carry forward intelligently. A north south division with crossover would certainly be ideal if the conference can pull it off.

In fact, I think if Joey D was smart he would publicly be clamoring and going after said schools and getting on the offensive (like the sunbelt is doing for football). Get ahead of the movement and show strength instead of sitting back in weakness and letting the cards fall how they will fall.
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(09-14-2021 07:36 AM)dan10 Wrote:  I agree with both of you. I think our media deal hurts our ability to grow and bring schools in. I dont think the CAA has the pull it once did. While getting those schools and growing would be ideal, I feel like the time to do so passed already and we dont have the leadership to carry forward intelligently. A north south division with crossover would certainly be ideal if the conference can pull it off.

In fact, I think if Joey D was smart he would publicly be clamoring and going after said schools and getting on the offensive (like the sunbelt is doing for football). Get ahead of the movement and show strength instead of sitting back in weakness and letting the cards fall how they will fall.

Is Hofstra still being petty about Stony Brook?
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(09-13-2021 04:47 PM)82hawk Wrote:  If I were the AEast and I wanted to kill the CAA:

Once JMU is gone, I would get Delaware, Towson, and W&M to join the AEast. Hartford is going D3 and likely only has 1 or 2 more years left in that AEast. Their departure will leave the AEast at 9. By adding Delaware, Towson, and W&M, the AEast can sponsor football and take control of the Eastern FCS league.

Might be a blessing.

AEast picks up CAA football. CAA gets transformed into a basketball-only league. Pick up more basketball-only schools, divide them into North and South Divisions. Oh, and we get a new Commissioner with imagination.

Many of UNCW's problems would be solved.
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(09-14-2021 09:34 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Is Hofstra still being petty about Stony Brook?

No clue, but probably.
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Looks like the FloSports contract may possibly end up being the death nail for the CAA.
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(09-14-2021 03:44 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  Looks like the FloSports contract may possibly end up being the death naih Flol for the CAA.

The CAA took a chance and it didn't pay off. This could only be the death knell if the deal is renewed. And don't forget, the remaining CAA schools voted for the Flo Sports deal. We can fix this problem when the deal expires.
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(09-14-2021 11:38 AM)70shawk Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 04:47 PM)82hawk Wrote:  If I were the AEast and I wanted to kill the CAA:

Once JMU is gone, I would get Delaware, Towson, and W&M to join the AEast. Hartford is going D3 and likely only has 1 or 2 more years left in that AEast. Their departure will leave the AEast at 9. By adding Delaware, Towson, and W&M, the AEast can sponsor football and take control of the Eastern FCS league.

Might be a blessing.

AEast picks up CAA football. CAA gets transformed into a basketball-only league. Pick up more basketball-only schools, divide them into North and South Divisions. Oh, and we get a new Commissioner with imagination.

Many of UNCW's problems would be solved.

There's no chance the America Least picks up football. It's a hoops league. It may not be great hoops, but it's hoops nevertheless.

And any imaginary invites of CAA North schools by the AE starts with NU, who was an original member of the league. I don't know if we would go back, but you never know.
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(09-14-2021 09:58 PM)geewizNU Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 11:38 AM)70shawk Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 04:47 PM)82hawk Wrote:  If I were the AEast and I wanted to kill the CAA:

Once JMU is gone, I would get Delaware, Towson, and W&M to join the AEast. Hartford is going D3 and likely only has 1 or 2 more years left in that AEast. Their departure will leave the AEast at 9. By adding Delaware, Towson, and W&M, the AEast can sponsor football and take control of the Eastern FCS league.

Might be a blessing.

AEast picks up CAA football. CAA gets transformed into a basketball-only league. Pick up more basketball-only schools, divide them into North and South Divisions. Oh, and we get a new Commissioner with imagination.

Many of UNCW's problems would be solved.

There's no chance the America Least picks up football. It's a hoops league. It may not be great hoops, but it's hoops nevertheless.

And any imaginary invites of CAA North schools by the AE starts with NU, who was an original member of the league. I don't know if we would go back, but you never know.

If the AEast doesn't send an invite to Delaware and Towson and a 3rd if/when JMU leave they are nuts. #12 for the AEast could be a number of schools. Northeastern would work well too as that #12. Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, UMass Lowell, Northeastern, Albany would make a very tight north division

The AEast has a chance. They may not be able to seal the deal but they would be insane not to try
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I hadn't heard what great opportunities JMU currently has. There is a segment of their fanbase that is desperate to move on and given the very poor currently leadership in the CAA, it is understandable. But, just as it was 10 years ago, you have to have a better place to go. The hard question is whether you are better off leaving for FBS purgatory(i.e, no seat at the big table of the Power 5 conferences) or staying in what will be the new FCS/G5 group. If the CAA were run well and still producing good revenue and exposure, it would be a harder call. I don't think it really is a harder call for them now. Even a terrible league for travel like ODU is dealing with will at least be "new" for them. But, if the SEC, ACC, Big 10, Pac12 form their own championship for football, the networks will only pay significant dollars for that. JMU, ODU, Liberty, UMass, App State are not candidates for that level. If you are not, it is a hard call to decide if it is worth the move. But, the total lack of effort and competence by the current CAA leadership makes it an easier choice for them.

As for William and Mary, I have no idea what they might do. Our house is still in disaster relief from Hurricane Sammy from 2019. We are still trying to get back to the level where we were then, much less be ready for any conference realignment. All schools have to be aware. This might be the last shift for awhile. I guess I would like to see more regional alignments that currently exist. UNCW, as a nonfootball school, may actually have more options in the near future than W&M does. I am worried we might drop down to the Patriot which I would be against. But like the Big 12 schools, if you don't make the first move, your final choices might be limited.
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If that moron convinces the universities to renew with with Flo...

03-pissed I guess more people are drinking that kool aid than I hoped.
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(09-17-2021 12:50 PM)CaliGlowin Wrote:  
(08-03-2021 08:28 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

If that moron convinces the universities to renew with with Flo...

03-pissed I guess more people are drinking that kool aid than I hoped.

CAA Commissioner Joe D’Antonio on realignment:
"Trickle-down effect is always possible."


What a dunce....
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