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RE: UNCW and and the CAA
(11-18-2021 12:50 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 12:08 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 10:43 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 09:58 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 07:57 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Point still stands, if you include double the space.... The population for Sq mile is only slightly more which is what i expected. Again, when comparing the two media markets is important, and there isn't a discernable difference between the two. However, as was accurately pointed out facilities, and certainly access to a nice in city arena helps.
It means they have 500,000 more people in the area that are possible donors or fans of the athletic program than UNCW and that is huge . I think UNCW must at some point have a real plan for facilities and a vision for the future about who and what UNCW sports are . Is UNCW a baseball school or a basketball school ? Is football something that is actually going to happen or just something fans talk about ? What level does UNCW aspire to in the world of D1 sports ? The first and most glaring deal is facilities because they are not close to being at a competitive level . A conference like the A10 right now for UNCW is a pipedream and not reality .

From all i've heard, football is far too costly to start based on the benefits it will bring and the complete overhaul of the entire athletic teams that would be required. UNCW can be both a baseball and basketball school IMO. I don't think we can solely focus on baseball because the income just isn't there, but baseball has the potential to replace the connection to the university we are missing without football. Tailgating, family atmosphere, great game day experience. But we have to be creative and intentional in creating that atmosphere. As far as facilities, we are real close to a new basketball arena.

I agree about football at this time but I have heard zero about a new basketball arena . Trask has not been maintained very well and the upfit from a few years ago was just a failure . Seems like it would be easier to remodel Trask than build a new building ?
Baseball has new indoor facility that is great but the field needs to be redone and the stadium is outdated,needs a combined clubhouse/locker room that is in line with a D1 program . I was recently at High Point U and all of their facilities are better than anything at UNCW-except the baseball facility . Money is always tight a UNCW but baseball seems like the easiest and cheapest place to start and it is the best program at UNCW . Conference realignment would be so much easier with a plan in place with funding and not just a wish list drawing .

I'm sure we'd have a lot nicer facilities if tuition, room and board was $55k/year. We're nothing like HPU and I think that is a good thing.

That is another subject but they are a Big South member and have excellent facilities . There are plenty of other schools that have better facilites than UNCW in this area that are comparable to a UNCW type school . UNCW plays Coastal tonight in basketball is another one-not a fan of their basketball arena myself but everything they have is pretty much better and newer than UNCW , The point is these schools have a plan and are executing it . If UNCW has a master plan it is a well kept secret .
11-18-2021 01:28 PM
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RE: UNCW and and the CAA
(11-18-2021 01:28 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 12:50 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 12:08 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 10:43 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 09:58 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  It means they have 500,000 more people in the area that are possible donors or fans of the athletic program than UNCW and that is huge . I think UNCW must at some point have a real plan for facilities and a vision for the future about who and what UNCW sports are . Is UNCW a baseball school or a basketball school ? Is football something that is actually going to happen or just something fans talk about ? What level does UNCW aspire to in the world of D1 sports ? The first and most glaring deal is facilities because they are not close to being at a competitive level . A conference like the A10 right now for UNCW is a pipedream and not reality .

From all i've heard, football is far too costly to start based on the benefits it will bring and the complete overhaul of the entire athletic teams that would be required. UNCW can be both a baseball and basketball school IMO. I don't think we can solely focus on baseball because the income just isn't there, but baseball has the potential to replace the connection to the university we are missing without football. Tailgating, family atmosphere, great game day experience. But we have to be creative and intentional in creating that atmosphere. As far as facilities, we are real close to a new basketball arena.

I agree about football at this time but I have heard zero about a new basketball arena . Trask has not been maintained very well and the upfit from a few years ago was just a failure . Seems like it would be easier to remodel Trask than build a new building ?
Baseball has new indoor facility that is great but the field needs to be redone and the stadium is outdated,needs a combined clubhouse/locker room that is in line with a D1 program . I was recently at High Point U and all of their facilities are better than anything at UNCW-except the baseball facility . Money is always tight a UNCW but baseball seems like the easiest and cheapest place to start and it is the best program at UNCW . Conference realignment would be so much easier with a plan in place with funding and not just a wish list drawing .

I'm sure we'd have a lot nicer facilities if tuition, room and board was $55k/year. We're nothing like HPU and I think that is a good thing.

That is another subject but they are a Big South member and have excellent facilities . There are plenty of other schools that have better facilites than UNCW in this area that are comparable to a UNCW type school . UNCW plays Coastal tonight in basketball is another one-not a fan of their basketball arena myself but everything they have is pretty much better and newer than UNCW , The point is these schools have a plan and are executing it . If UNCW has a master plan it is a well kept secret .

Agree with the larger point. I'm annoyed by HPU though. They've rebuilt everything, so facilities are nice for athletes and students in general, but the value just isn't there....they're the anthesis of esse quam videri.
11-18-2021 01:35 PM
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RE: UNCW and and the CAA
(11-17-2021 08:20 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 07:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 05:44 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 04:50 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 02:25 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Nope
Charleston/Metro population
208,089
US: 213th

Wilmington/Metro
282,573
US: 167th
per 2021 census.

That’s just not the case-better do a little more digging.
LOL i pulled census numbers, simple google search. Sounds you are the one that needs to counter with some other facts sir, i didn't make it up.

There is a huge difference between the population of a city/county and a metro area. Charleston is more than just Charleston proper. It's a huge area with a lot of people. The area surrounding Wilmington is farmland and woods when you leave it.

Charleston

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/3100...etro-area/
802,122 Population
2,590.2 square miles
309.7 people per square mile

Wilmington

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/3100...etro-area/

297,533 Population
1,063.5 square miles
279.8 people per square mile
So you are counting all the surrounding areas for Charleston, but not including the "Farmland" in population in Leland, Ogden, Hampstead all suburb Wilmington..... Got it. Makes perfect sense. At least be consistent with what you are counting. You are counting double the square miles in the Charleston figure. Hell at that rate why don't you count Jacksonville and Myrtle beach in Wilmington's. SMH

My 129 vs 150 reference earlier is media markets. When you get over 100 you are splitting hairs. Charleston is a bit larger of a city, but it's close.

(11-18-2021 08:27 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Charleston businesses and alums definitely do a better job of supporting CofC than Wilmington and UNCW alums do here, that’s for sure.

The 800K includes Charleston, Berkeley, and Dorchester Counties. But CofC has a much smaller portion they can get from that. Probably 95% of our fan base comes from within 15 miles of campus. Sure, that’s 300-400K people, but Charleston is such a spread out market compared to ILM.

3 minor league teams (all very successful) plus Carolina/Clemson fans compared to being almost the only game in town. There is still a TON of room to grow in our market for CofC.

Just in the Charleston area we have close to 25K alumni. But probably only 20% of them are engaged in athletics. It doesn’t help when the demographics are over 2/3 female.

But they have gotten a lot more students engaged over the first four home games. Student section was close to filled even for Loyola on a Saturday afternoon.

Even at the UNC game this week probably 1/4 of the crowd was for UNC. So many middle and high school kids have grown up watching Duke and Carolina games here because of the constant exposure while we have our couple of big games every season.

In my season ticket section (where you don’t have to make a donation) it was all UNC folks.

We started getting sellouts the last year of Grant before COVID. I think we had 2 or 3 that season. With this year’s team more are certainly possible.
11-18-2021 10:30 PM
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