(07-30-2021 11:53 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 11:47 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 09:56 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  Real Appalachian Conference:
Clemson
Tennessee
Appalachian St.
Virginia Tech
Marshall
Virginia
West Virginia
Pitt
Penn St.
Army

Army is nowhere near Appalachia. Replace them with Ohio U and Wake Forest.


And if you're counting schools within one county of Appalachia, you add Cincinnati and Kentucky.

Sure it is https://www.arc.gov/map/subregions-in-appalachia/

Do you know where West Point is?

West Point is on the Hudson River. About 20 miles from both Connecticut and New Jersey.

Cincinnati is about 5 miles from technical "Appalachia" on that map (in reality, it's about 10 miles away).

(07-30-2021 11:55 AM)Statefan Wrote:  The Appalachian Mountain Chain runs from Newfoundland down to Alabama. The Atlantic Ocean separated the part that is in Scotland.

The Appalachian Regional Commission defined the area from socio-economic parameters in 1965

There is more to Appalachia than a set of KY or WVa hillbiliies living so far up the holler that the milk man has to bring the sun over the mountain in the morning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachia...ey-map.png

The Long Range in Newfoundland
The Chic Chocs in Quebec and New Brunswick
The Notre Dames in Quebec
Mt. Kathadan in Maine
The White and Green Mountains of NY/VT
The Berkshires of Mass/VT/NY
The Catskills in NY
The Blue Ridge from NY to NC
The Alleghany from PA to KY
The Unkas in NC and TN
The Great Smokies in NC and TN
The Cumberlands in TN, Ga, and Alabama

These are all part of the Appalachian Orogeny

So are the Caledonians in Norway
Scottish Highlands in UK
Atlas Mountains in Morocco

The Ouachita's in Oklahoma/Arkansas as well as the Chisos Mountains in the Big Bend Region of Texas.

(07-30-2021 02:21 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 11:55 AM)Statefan Wrote:  The Appalachian Mountain Chain runs from Newfoundland down to Alabama. The Atlantic Ocean separated the part that is in Scotland.

The Appalachian Regional Commission defined the area from socio-economic parameters in 1965

There is more to Appalachia than a set of KY or WVa hillbiliies living so far up the holler that the milk man has to bring the sun over the mountain in the morning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachia...ey-map.png

The Long Range in Newfoundland
The Chic Chocs in Quebec and New Brunswick
The Notre Dames in Quebec
Mt. Kathadan in Maine
The White and Green Mountains of NY/VT
The Berkshires of Mass/VT/NY
The Catskills in NY
The Blue Ridge from NY to NC
The Alleghany from PA to KY
The Unkas in NC and TN
The Great Smokies in NC and TN
The Cumberlands in TN, Ga, and Alabama

These are all part of the Appalachian Orogeny

So are the Caledonians in Norway
Scottish Highlands in UK
Atlas Mountains in Morocco

The Ouachita's in Oklahoma/Arkansas as well as the Chisos Mountains in the Big Bend Region of Texas.

Not the same orogeny.

(07-30-2021 01:46 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 11:53 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 11:47 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 09:56 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  Real Appalachian Conference:
Clemson
Tennessee
Appalachian St.
Virginia Tech
Marshall
Virginia
West Virginia
Pitt
Penn St.
Army

Army is nowhere near Appalachia. Replace them with Ohio U and Wake Forest.


And if you're counting schools within one county of Appalachia, you add Cincinnati and Kentucky.

Sure it is https://www.arc.gov/map/subregions-in-appalachia/

Do you know where West Point is?

West Point is on the Hudson River. About 20 miles from both Connecticut and New Jersey.

Cincinnati is about 5 miles from technical "Appalachia" on that map (in reality, it's about 10 miles away).

The Appalachian Trail runs about 8 miles south of West Point NY. I know where West Point is, but you don't seem to know where the Appalachians are located. If your assertion that Cincy belongs in this conference?

Oh gosh, I didn't realize this was a serious rumor. If I was a WVU fan & people were telling me I'd be demoted to FCS call-ups & ex-MAC members, I'd be outraged at the AD.

If no ACC invite, WVU needs to join the XII/AAC merger. They are smack-dab in the middle of the conference w/ Cinci, Temple, & ECU. Maybe they could form an alliance w/ the XII & top AAC members & kick out the conference's dead-weight.

Suckers.

(07-30-2021 02:29 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 02:21 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 11:55 AM)Statefan Wrote:  The Appalachian Mountain Chain runs from Newfoundland down to Alabama. The Atlantic Ocean separated the part that is in Scotland.

The Appalachian Regional Commission defined the area from socio-economic parameters in 1965

There is more to Appalachia than a set of KY or WVa hillbiliies living so far up the holler that the milk man has to bring the sun over the mountain in the morning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachia...ey-map.png

The Long Range in Newfoundland
The Chic Chocs in Quebec and New Brunswick
The Notre Dames in Quebec
Mt. Kathadan in Maine
The White and Green Mountains of NY/VT
The Berkshires of Mass/VT/NY
The Catskills in NY
The Blue Ridge from NY to NC
The Alleghany from PA to KY
The Unkas in NC and TN
The Great Smokies in NC and TN
The Cumberlands in TN, Ga, and Alabama

These are all part of the Appalachian Orogeny

So are the Caledonians in Norway
Scottish Highlands in UK
Atlas Mountains in Morocco

The Ouachita's in Oklahoma/Arkansas as well as the Chisos Mountains in the Big Bend Region of Texas.

Not the same orogeny.

As a person with a geology degree that he doesn't use at all...I appreciate the orogeny talk quite a bit.

Had a great trip in college to just outside Schenectady to visit some fossil filled parts of the taconic orogeny and grabbed some cool ones (mostly sponges and such).

We know at the MAC level it starts to get to be about academics and travel Keeping the conference together.

At the L8/AAC level in the eyes of WVU it is also becoming about academics and travel because the TV deal money is all going to be 5-10 mil per anyways.

PAC/L8 merger (to far)
B1G (not AAU)
SEC (to little)
ACC (FB to weak)
AAC (deal is only 6 mil per)

WVU would want to hold in the XII until the end, try to get everyone's exit fees and then vote with Baylor to dissolve it. Then found a new regional conference with better academics.

WVU is also not as large as UCF/UC/UH and would profile better with mid sized public universities. UConn, Del, Ohio are similar.

The stupidity in this thread is just mind boggling.

If you want to have some real fun, try to create a conference using schools that are within 10 miles of the Appalachian Trail. That would be fun. Travel would be on the trail, all teams would start a the southern point and make their way north. It would be like the PGA tour, or IBU World Cup. Each school would host all of the games that
weekend, but only one weekend of games per school.

(07-30-2021 11:55 AM)Statefan Wrote:  These are all part of the Appalachian Orogeny

Rocks don't attend football games. If an "Appalachian Conference" doesn't mean the descendants of the early pioneer small landholder culture of the Appalachian region of the US, where you could raise as much pork on an acre of sweet chestnut as you could on an acre of corn, and the acre didn't have to be flat ... it doesn't mean a regional grouping of US society.

Jax State is located at the southern terminus of the Appalachian mountain chain in the foothills. 1&2 highest points in Alabama located only a few miles from campus. And so Jax State would be the southern most school in an conference made up of Appalachian schools.

(07-30-2021 07:18 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 11:55 AM)Statefan Wrote:  These are all part of the Appalachian Orogeny

Rocks don't attend football games. If an "Appalachian Conference" doesn't mean the descendants of the early pioneer small landholder culture of the Appalachian region of the US, where you could raise as much pork on an acre of sweet chestnut as you could on an acre of corn, and the acre didn't have to be flat ... it doesn't mean a regional grouping of US society.

It has been 90 years since the Chestnut blight. But I get that you want Appalachian to mean what you want it to mean. I realize that from a mental construct standpoint that Pa Germans, and New Englanders are not part of the Appalachians.

(07-30-2021 11:55 AM)Statefan Wrote:  The Appalachian Mountain Chain runs from Newfoundland down to Alabama. The Atlantic Ocean separated the part that is in Scotland.

The Appalachian Regional Commission defined the area from socio-economic parameters in 1965

There is more to Appalachia than a set of KY or WVa hillbiliies living so far up the holler that the milk man has to bring the sun over the mountain in the morning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachia...ey-map.png

The Long Range in Newfoundland
The Chic Chocs in Quebec and New Brunswick
The Notre Dames in Quebec
Mt. Kathadan in Maine
The White and Green Mountains of NY/VT
The Berkshires of Mass/VT/NY
The Catskills in NY
The Blue Ridge from NY to NC
The Alleghany from PA to KY
The Unkas in NC and TN
The Great Smokies in NC and TN
The Cumberlands in TN, Ga, and Alabama

These are all part of the Appalachian Orogeny

So are the Caledonians in Norway
Scottish Highlands in UK
Atlas Mountains in Morocco

And the Kittatinny Mountains of New Jersey.

But it's amazing the attention to exact technical detail people want to impose here, yet have nothing to say about:

The Big Ten has 14 teams.
The Big 12 has 10, soon to be 8
Only 8 of the Pacific 12 teams are in states bordering the Pacific Ocean, with only 5 on the ocean itself.
The Big East has teams in Wisconsin, Illinois, and Nebraska.
The Atlantic 10 has a team in Ohio and 1 across the Mississippi in Missouri.
The Big South has 1 in New Jersey.
The Southwestern Athletic Conference schools are ENTIRELY in the south EAST.

And how many Ohio Valley schools are actually near the Ohio river?

But now people are demanding a conference name be completely geographically accurate? Yeah, OK.

(07-30-2021 10:59 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 07:18 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 11:55 AM)Statefan Wrote:  These are all part of the Appalachian Orogeny

Rocks don't attend football games. If an "Appalachian Conference" doesn't mean the descendants of the early pioneer small landholder culture of the Appalachian region of the US, where you could raise as much pork on an acre of sweet chestnut as you could on an acre of corn, and the acre didn't have to be flat ... it doesn't mean a regional grouping of US society.

It has been 90 years since the Chestnut blight.

The formative conditions for a settler culture don't change because over a hundred years later they aren't there anymore. And the Appalachian has been a source rather than a recipient of net internal emigration for a long time now, making the formative settler culture more important for the culture today.

Quote: But I get that you want Appalachian to mean what you want it to mean.

It already means multiple things, I just prefer one of the existing meanings to be selected that is not absurd for the context of the present fantasy discussion. Colleges do not attract rocks from the local area to come attend their school.

I do understand the desire to move the discussion away from the geographical understanding most people would understand by "Appalachian" to a question of geology instead, because while it makes it irrelevant to college sports, it turns it into a technical question outside of the social sciences and sidesteps people's bigotry against "ignorant hillbillies".

Quote: I realize that from a mental construct standpoint that Pa Germans, and New Englanders are not part of the Appalachians.

From a social regional standpoint, it was found that the a lot of the PA counties are, in fact, Appalachian. Hence the quip among students of American politics that Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, with Alabama in between.

(07-30-2021 11:45 PM)NJMark Wrote:  ...
The Southwestern Athletic Conference schools are ENTIRELY in the south EAST.
...

Prairie View and Texas Southern are most certainly NOT in the southeast. I would argue that Southern, Grambling, and Alcorn are not either.

I really think that West Va would love an Appalachian Centric conference with as many culturally and physically Appalachian schools as possible.

(07-31-2021 01:12 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I really think that West Va would love an Appalachian Centric conference with as many culturally and physically Appalachian schools as possible.

How much of a TV deal can they squeeze out of it? AAC money?

If its AAC money with significantly less travel costs it could make sense.

What would be the marquee bowl game? Can the App conference sign the Gator bowl for its champion with WVU as the Boise St of the conference?

If WVU wants to make it happen they've got the clout to make a regional conference happen.

(07-31-2021 01:19 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 01:12 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I really think that West Va would love an Appalachian Centric conference with as many culturally and physically Appalachian schools as possible.

How much of a TV deal can they squeeze out of it? AAC money?

If its AAC money with significantly less travel costs it could make sense.

What would be the marquee bowl game? Can the App conference sign the Gator bowl for its champion with WVU as the Boise St of the conference?

If WVU wants to make it happen they've got the clout to make a regional conference happen.

How much money would they need?

Heard news

(08-01-2021 03:03 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Heard news

What is the update?