I would guess the ACC left behinds would in the same predicament as the 8 in the b12
at this point i wouldn’t be shocked if this happened in like the next five minutes
espn and sec pooling all the big names together might just be a bad thing ?

i would wonder if the leftovers from both the b12 and ACC would combine to for a new A conference

(07-29-2021 10:54 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  i would wonder if the leftovers from both the b12 and ACC would combine to for a new A conference

If your question is what happens to the 12 teams in the ACC were Clemson and FSU to somehow leave, the short answer is nothing. The ACC will continue to exist. To kill the ACC you have to break up the grouping of VT/UVa/UNC/NC State/Duke/WF/GT. That's a tough nut to crack.

If that 12 member ACC wanted to add someone they would look at TCU, ISU, Kansas, Cincy, USF, and UCF. The additions would not be about making money but maintaining exposure or increasing exposure.

UNC has a long term demographic problem maintaining football and they already had to cut their stadium from 63K to 50K. UVa is not as far along as UNC is toward becoming a de facto "girls" school but they are headed that way and long term women just don't support college sports like men. Carolina would rather have a 11-2 football team in an inferior conference than be perpetually 7-5 in the Big 10.

ACC schools have ALWAYS been behind the top B10 schools in athletic revenue - always. TV money can't close the gap on Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State and their 105-110 K seat football stadiums.

(07-29-2021 10:27 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  I would guess the ACC left behinds would in the same predicament as the 8 in the b12
at this point i wouldn’t be shocked if this happened in like the next five minutes
espn and sec pooling all the big names together might just be a bad thing ?

I would imagine UNC and maybe UVA could go to B1G. Duke goes to BE and puts football wherever it will cause them the least distraction? They are a New Jersey school anyway. Maybe BC/Cuse does that as well?

The rest I can see staying together and making an arrangement with the B12 or AAC+ if it comes to fruition.

As much as I don't like UNC, it would be kind of sad to see the history of tobacco road obliterated over a sport they haven't cared about for the majority of their history.

Someone on another thread said UNC leaving for B1G would be the end of college athletics, I tend to agree.

Depends on how stupid the big ten is. My guess is really stupid. If those two left the big ten would prolly try and poach unc and uva who would prolly remain committed to the acc. I know miami would throw itself at the big ten with the other two fla powers making sec money. Would the big ten deny a big football brand that gets them into a huge market, makes them more cash, and more or less fits their academic profile, all over aau status. With Delaney Miami joins instantly. With warren who knows prolly not.

Edit: I bring up miami specifically because as long as they stayed the conference would have enough football brand power to survive

(07-29-2021 11:01 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 10:54 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  i would wonder if the leftovers from both the b12 and ACC would combine to for a new A conference

If your question is what happens to the 12 teams in the ACC were Clemson and FSU to somehow leave, the short answer is nothing. The ACC will continue to exist. To kill the ACC you have to break up the grouping of VT/UVa/UNC/NC State/Duke/WF/GT. That's a tough nut to crack.

i see your point, still with 12 teams is enough but would espn reduce their payouts
12 plus 8 = 20 mega conference...

(07-29-2021 11:05 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:01 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 10:54 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  i would wonder if the leftovers from both the b12 and ACC would combine to for a new A conference

If your question is what happens to the 12 teams in the ACC were Clemson and FSU to somehow leave, the short answer is nothing. The ACC will continue to exist. To kill the ACC you have to break up the grouping of VT/UVa/UNC/NC State/Duke/WF/GT. That's a tough nut to crack.

i see your point, still with 12 teams is enough but would espn reduce their payouts
12 plus 8 = 20 mega conference...

The ACC without Clemson and FSU is not going to vote to add West Virginia, Baylor, or Kansas State.

Unless ESPN offers a monstrous bribe this is who can get the necessary 10 votes out of 13 when Clemson and FSU are removed:

1. Kansas
2. Iowa State
3. Cincy
4. TCU
5. Houston
6. Navy

Past these 5 are schools that should be able to get the votes and don't have some associated poison pill:

1. USF (It's Miami's call)

These are borderline for the reasons stated:

1. Texas Tech - the vast distance
2. Oklahoma State - academic questions and booster questions
3. UCF - Reputation of being America's largest community college is an issue - Miami would have to explicitly approve.
4. Tulane - dropped P-5 sports down twice in the last 70 years
5. Rice - only here is some Texas strategy were to occur

The ACC is a very different place if Clemson and FSU are not here and in a money arms race with Florida, South Carolina, Auburn, and Alabama.

You spelled Clempson wrong

(07-29-2021 11:13 AM)esayem Wrote:  You spelled Clempson wrong

sorry, no disrespect intended...

FSU and Clemson are not going to the SEC. The SEC doesn't need another School in Florida or South Carolina. This is just fantasy, ESPN doesn't have a desire to kill the ACC.

(07-29-2021 11:13 AM)esayem Wrote:  You spelled Clempson wrong

No YOU spulled Clem and Son wrong.

I mean no disrespect, but would the ACC core possibly be HAPPY to see some of the football-first schools so they could return to running the league like a country club like they did for 30 years before the addition of FSU?

Let Clemson, FSU, Miami, and Louisville go pursue the SEC and the other 10 can be a more academic focused league.

My guess is the remaining 10 schools (less Miami and Louisville) will choose to de-emphasize football.

If the ACC dropped to 12 but added this is what I would expect at 15:

North - ISU/Louis/Pitt/Syr/BC
Central - TCU/GT/VT/UVa/Navy
South - Miami/Duke/WF/UNC/NC State

I would see that playing 4 division foes and two designated cross overs so for instance VT would have TCU/GT/UVA/Navy/WF/Pitt every year. Syr would have ISU/Louis/Pitt/BC/UVa/UNC

At 18 I would expect something like adding Cincy to the North, adding Houston or Kansas to the Central, and adding USF or UCF to the South.

Again this is all with no Clemson and FSU in the voting.

(07-29-2021 11:36 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  My guess is the remaining 10 schools (less Miami and Louisville) will choose to de-emphasize football.

And allow Duke to win again?

State, VT, and GT can't afford to do that. But if Clemson and FSU are in an 18 school SEC - ACC football will have already been deemphasized.

(07-29-2021 10:27 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  I would guess the ACC left behinds would in the same predicament as the 8 in the b12
at this point i wouldn’t be shocked if this happened in like the next five minutes
espn and sec pooling all the big names together might just be a bad thing ?

The 12 ACC teams left would enjoy spending Clemson and Florida State's media income for the next 15 years, and that is after pocketing about $100 million from each to cover their exit fees.

(07-29-2021 11:48 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 10:27 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  I would guess the ACC left behinds would in the same predicament as the 8 in the b12
at this point i wouldn’t be shocked if this happened in like the next five minutes
espn and sec pooling all the big names together might just be a bad thing ?

The 12 ACC teams left would enjoy spending Clemson and Florida State's media income for the next 15 years, and that is after pocketing about $100 million from each to cover their exit fees.

Actually the revenue would be coming from ESPN as compensation unlike the MD deal where they went to Fox.

Florida St and Clemson should have joined the SEC in 1990.

(07-29-2021 11:56 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Florida St and Clemson should have joined the SEC in 1990.

They’d be out a lot of hardware

(07-29-2021 11:13 AM)esayem Wrote:  You spelled Clempson wrong

Clempson- just Auburn, with a lake.