1. Implode Big 12. DONE

2. Dissolve ACC(against it's will) into the SEC. ONGOING

3. Quadruple DOG DARE the B1G and Pac-12 to sign with Fox, but swoop in at last second to pick every one off. ONGOING

4. Break off from NCAA in all sports. ONGOING

5. Profit from massive boost in ESPN+ subscribers. POSSIBLE

Anyone disagree?

1) Agree.

2) Disagree. The ACC GOR lasts until 2035-36.

3) Disagree. The B1G owns 49% of the BTN with FOX having 51%. The PAC-12 is in a weaker position but the B1G will be sending inquiries to certain PAC-12 schools about joining the conference.

4) Disagree with the all sports but football will be run by the conferences instead of the NCAA. And eventually the Men’s basketball tournament will be nominally be governed by the NCAA but at least 10 leagues will not get auto bids.

5) Disagree with ESPN+ controlling the sports streaming, but streaming platforms are the wave of the future.

E$PN's real end game is to make sure to keep Amazon out of college sports broadcasting. The mere thought of Amazon (Jeff Bezos) competing with them really scares E$PN!!!!

(07-29-2021 01:18 AM)RutgersMike Wrote:  1) Agree.

2) Disagree. The ACC GOR lasts until 2035-36.

3) Disagree. The B1G owns 49% of the BTN with FOX having 51%. The PAC-12 is in a weaker position but the B1G will be sending inquiries to certain PAC-12 schools about joining the conference.

4) Disagree with the all sports but football will be run by the conferences instead of the NCAA. And eventually the Men’s basketball tournament will be nominally be governed by the NCAA but at least 10 leagues will not get auto bids.

5) Disagree with ESPN+ controlling the sports streaming, but streaming platforms are the wave of the future.

Who said that the ACC GOR had to be renewed?? E$PN has to know that 2035-2036 is an important date.

I don't see anything in the ACC happening for another 10 years or so. That GOR is too iron clad.

What is the value of a GOR?

(07-29-2021 07:46 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  I don't see anything in the ACC happening for another 10 years or so. That GOR is too iron clad.

If Clemson, FSU, and/or UNC get the call and subsequently decide to leave for the SEC, they are gone. If that is what The Mouse desires, they are gone. They will announce their departure like OU and Texas and the lawyers and accountants will clean up the mess.

Mark it down.

You forgot world domination and the enslavement of all free peoples of the world…but those might just be in the next 5 Year Plan.

ESPN wants west coast schools to be in their inventory for football. It would be hard to get any PAC 12 schools, but a few of the MWC and BYU would be a nice prize into a power conference.

It sounds tin-foil hat like, but I could see some form of what was posted happening, because it's basically Darwinist Capitalism playing out.

I don't think you'd see SEC + ACC, though, because a lot of them are redundant.

But the principle of TWO POWER GROUPS forming on ideological lines makes much sense as how it plays out.

The ideological lines to me would be: AAU member schools joining the Big Ten Network confederation backed by Fox.

As the SEC expands with ACC schools: Clemson &, Florida State, then Va Tech and NC State..

The AAU schools gravitate to the Big Ten: UNC, Virginia, Duke, Ga Tech.

SEC eyes the northeast with Syracuse, Pitt, Cincinnati, Boston College, etc...

So Notre Dame chooses sides and goes Big Ten with Kansas.


The Pac-12 joins the Big Ten.. so the SEC keeps growing, and you end up with two groups of 32.


That's a logical end to it. Like how we ended up with Coke vs Pepsi; Mac vs Windows; Apple vs Android;

(07-29-2021 07:46 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  I don't see anything in the ACC happening for another 10 years or so. That GOR is too iron clad.

Being rolled into a New Southern Conference with the SEC would not really be a "happening" from the standpoint of expansion.

It's been that way before so it would be a return to how things used to be. UNC and Duke controlling an entire conference is something that did not develop until the 1970's - it has not always been this way.

Even if that happens, it is only a matter of 20 or so years before the Southern Conference would again re-split based on some cultural aspect of life or sport. A construct like the Old SoCon exists in an environment where there is some strong Yankee/Midwest opposition. Without an outside rival of equal strength, it will wander apart.

While money and ESPN are all at play, I think part of the issue is UM's, Wisky's and Minnesota's attempted power play to end football for 2020.

(07-29-2021 11:38 AM)JSchmack Wrote:  It sounds tin-foil hat like, but I could see some form of what was posted happening, because it's basically Darwinist Capitalism playing out.

I don't think you'd see SEC + ACC, though, because a lot of them are redundant.

But the principle of TWO POWER GROUPS forming on ideological lines makes much sense as how it plays out.

The ideological lines to me would be: AAU member schools joining the Big Ten Network confederation backed by Fox.

As the SEC expands with ACC schools: Clemson &, Florida State, then Va Tech and NC State..

The AAU schools gravitate to the Big Ten: UNC, Virginia, Duke, Ga Tech.

SEC eyes the northeast with Syracuse, Pitt, Cincinnati, Boston College, etc...

So Notre Dame chooses sides and goes Big Ten with Kansas.


The Pac-12 joins the Big Ten.. so the SEC keeps growing, and you end up with two groups of 32.


That's a logical end to it. Like how we ended up with Coke vs Pepsi; Mac vs Windows; Apple vs Android;

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(07-29-2021 11:38 AM)JSchmack Wrote:  It sounds tin-foil hat like, but I could see some form of what was posted happening, because it's basically Darwinist Capitalism playing out.

I don't think you'd see SEC + ACC, though, because a lot of them are redundant.

But the principle of TWO POWER GROUPS forming on ideological lines makes much sense as how it plays out.

The ideological lines to me would be: AAU member schools joining the Big Ten Network confederation backed by Fox.

As the SEC expands with ACC schools: Clemson &, Florida State, then Va Tech and NC State..

The AAU schools gravitate to the Big Ten: UNC, Virginia, Duke, Ga Tech.

SEC eyes the northeast with Syracuse, Pitt, Cincinnati, Boston College, etc...

So Notre Dame chooses sides and goes Big Ten with Kansas.


The Pac-12 joins the Big Ten.. so the SEC keeps growing, and you end up with two groups of 32.


That's a logical end to it. Like how we ended up with Coke vs Pepsi; Mac vs Windows; Apple vs Android;

Remember, AAU is a fiction and NC State and VT are not in AAU because they are in the South plus a handful of votes they could not swing. The academic profile of ISU and Kansas, and Mizzou, and Oregon are nearly the same as VT and State.

The end game will be two elite conferences: the SEC and B1G. The B1G will raid the PAC-12 for the California 4, Oregon, and Washington. The SEC will raid the ACC in about a decade for ND (Olympic sports and scheduling agreement), UVA, UNC, Florida State, and Clemson. Schools like WVU and UConn will back fill the ACC, and schools like Kansas and Oklahoma State will backfill the PAC-12. We will continue to have March Madness but college football will have 2 power conferences and 2 tweener leagues.