Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Why Big XII should invite Boise State
Author Message
NeighSayer Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 179
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation: 15
I Root For: Boise State
Location:
Post: #21
RE: Why Big XII should invite Boise State
(07-28-2021 10:32 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Boise St screwed over the BE/AAC and San Diego State. They thought they were getting a favored dream deal out of the MWC. Then they watched as the AAC put a stranglehold on the access bowl and got a media contract that pays multiples of what they get. Boise has been trying to pimp themselves to the AAC ever since we dropped to 11 teams, with no luck. They bring no eyeballs, and they cause trouble. And some members havent forgiven them for what they did.

So many falsehoods in this post, it is mind-blowing. The AAC pulled a bait-and-switch on Boise State/SDSU when they promised a western wing to the conference in 2011 and added Temple, Tulane, and Eastern Carolina in 2012 instead. BTW, when the Broncos returned to the MWC, we made it part of our contract that SDSU be allowed to return as well if they wanted, so we helped them, not “screwed them over.”

While the AAC has done well in getting the Access Bowl, Boise State snagged it in 2014, and it seems one or two other G5s outside of the AAC have earned the bid as well—so not exactly a “strangehold.”

I’m surprised Boise State explored membership in the AAC again after their two-faced dealings with us a decade ago, but that’s Harsin for you. After having a consultant show that a move back to the AAC was a loser, we backed off late last year. https://boisedev.com/news/2021/07/22/boi...onference/

Finally, AAC members hardly get “multiples” of Boise State’s take in the MWC. Each AAC school stands at about $7 million per year. Boise State brings in around $6 million. Given we’d have to park our olys in a lesser conference and have to fly back east 4-5 times per year, and take a reduced cut for being football only, the finances don’t add up to make an AAC move even a little appealing.
(This post was last modified: 07-29-2021 02:58 PM by NeighSayer.)
07-29-2021 02:02 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
TyBull Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,142
Joined: May 2007
Reputation: 54
I Root For: USF / GA Tech
Location:
Post: #22
RE: Why Big XII should invite Boise State
I do not get the love with Boise State.
What have they done for the MWC?
07-29-2021 02:11 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
UofMstateU Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 39,085
Joined: Dec 2009
Reputation: 3551
I Root For: Memphis
Location:
Post: #23
RE: Why Big XII should invite Boise State
(07-29-2021 02:11 PM)TyBull Wrote:  I do not get the love with Boise State.
What have they done for the MWC?

Taking most of the money in the conference while not delivering the access bowl other than year 1 by a sliver.
07-29-2021 02:22 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
NeighSayer Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 179
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation: 15
I Root For: Boise State
Location:
Post: #24
RE: Why Big XII should invite Boise State
(07-29-2021 02:11 PM)TyBull Wrote:  I do not get the love with Boise State.
What have they done for the MWC?

Boise State delivers a TV contract that raises the conference coffers above MAC territory, where it would otherwise dwell. And no, we don’t keep the money we bring in all to ourselves. We make close to $6M, while our conference mates make around $4M. Without Boise State in the MWC, the’d be around $1M.

BTW, extra payments were originally set up on a merit system…teams that played more games on a major network made extra money. Eventually, the teams in the Mountain division were pulling in more money than those in the West (because the play Boise State more regularly), so the conference decided to cede a $1.8M extra payment to Boise State and split the rest. I preferred the merit system…but the presidents voted for the welfare system.
07-29-2021 02:56 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
UofMstateU Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 39,085
Joined: Dec 2009
Reputation: 3551
I Root For: Memphis
Location:
Post: #25
RE: Why Big XII should invite Boise State
(07-29-2021 02:02 PM)NeighSayer Wrote:  
(07-28-2021 10:32 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Boise St screwed over the BE/AAC and San Diego State. They thought they were getting a favored dream deal out of the MWC. Then they watched as the AAC put a stranglehold on the access bowl and got a media contract that pays multiples of what they get. Boise has been trying to pimp themselves to the AAC ever since we dropped to 11 teams, with no luck. They bring no eyeballs, and they cause trouble. And some members havent forgiven them for what they did.

So many falsehoods in this post, it is mind-blowing. The AAC pulled a bait-and-switch on Boise State/SDSU when they promised a western wing to the conference in 2011 and added Temple, Tulane, and Eastern Carolina in 2012 instead. BTW, when the Broncos returned to the MWC, we made it part of our contract that SDSU be allowed to return as well if they wanted, so we helped them, not “screwed them over.”

Boise St announced the deal to go back to the MWC without even discussing it with San Diego St. The AAC told San Diego St that without another western team, we couldnt take them, but held off on making any statement until we worked with the Mountain West to ensure they would take them back. There was certainly no original deal between the MWC and Boise that included San Diego St in your move back to the MWC, because for a few days/weeks, San Diego st was in limbo. And seeing how Boise St d*cked over the teams in the BE, everyone knew you'd have no problem doing it to San Diego St.


Quote:While the AAC has done well in getting the Access Bowl, Boise State snagged it in 2014, and it seems one or two other G5s outside of the AAC have earned the bid as well—so not exactly a “strangehold.”

Boise got it by a sliver in the first year, and Western Michigan got it one year when Navy lost to Army in the last game of the season. So yea, pretty much a stranglehold. It hasnt even been close since Western Michigan.


Quote:I’m surprised Boise State explored membership in the AAC again after their two-faced dealings with us a decade ago, but that’s Harsin for you. After having a consultant show that a move back to the AAC was a loser, we backed off late last year. https://boisedev.com/news/2021/07/22/boi...onference/

Because we make a lot more money than you do, are trending up, and arent letting you guys sniff a post season bowl that doesnt have the name Idaho Potato in it. Also, under the new playoff system, the AAC will have a stranglehold on an autobid. So I get why your guy is pimping you hard. But you might also notice that Boise is having severe issues getting any kind of traction with the AAC. You werent as smart as you thought you were ten years ago.

Quote:Finally, AAC members hardly get “multiples” of Boise State’s take in the MWC. Each AAC school stands at about $7 million per year. Boise State brings in around $6 million. Given we’d have to park our olys in a lesser conference and have to fly back east 4-5 times per year, and take a reduced cut for being football only, the finances don’t add up to make an AAC move even a little appealing.

Our tv contract is backloaded, so we are startiung off higher in total disbursements, and will continue to pull away over the decade. Which is why Boise is pimping itself so hard at us.
(This post was last modified: 07-29-2021 03:24 PM by UofMstateU.)
07-29-2021 03:22 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
UpStreamRedTeam Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,844
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: 115
I Root For: Rutgers
Location:
Post: #26
RE: Why Big XII should invite Boise State
(07-29-2021 09:30 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  In my order:

1.BYU
2. Houston
3. Cincinnati
4. Memphis
should all get a call before Boise State. Why? As of 2021 Boise is the #101 TV market with only a lil over 300K watching TV.

Houston is #8 at 2.5M viewers
Cincinnati #36 at 925K viewers
Memphis is #51 at 619K viewers

(One could also make the case for UCF, however the BIG12 would have to show serious interest in traveling to Florida in all sports outside of Football. The expense may outweigh the TV market.)

So why is BYU #1 on my list....Becuase Big 12 officials have stated that they will consider fan base size as part of the criteria when examining potential expansion candidates. BYU has ranked among the top 30 nationally in football attendance nine times in 10 years, according to the NCAA. The Cougars have finished in the top 20 in attendance in men's basketball for six consecutive seasons. No other Big 12 expansion candidate can come close to those achievements.

BYU’s LaVell Edwards Stadium has a capacity of 63,470, and the Cougars have averaged 59,951 fans per game since the 2010 season. Those figures put BYU No. 3 among Big 12 member schools, only behind Texas (100,119 and 97,529, respectively) and Oklahoma (82,112 and 85,064, respectively).

Big 12 expansion candidate Memphis plays at the 61,008-seat Liberty Bowl and seen a big jump in attendance before COVID drawing 43,802 fans per game.

Seating capacity at other expansion hopefuls: Boise State (37,000), Cincinnati (40,000), Central Florida (44,206), Colorado State (34,400), Connecticut (40,642) and Houston (40,000).

BYU’s Marriott Center (19,100) is larger than any arena in the Big 12, ahead of Texas (16,540) and Kansas (16,300). Over the past six seasons (before COVID), BYU averaged 16,137 fans per men’s basketball game, slightly behind Kansas (16,429) and ahead of the rest of the Big 12, including Iowa State (13,585) and Texas (11,805).

BYU also has a reputation for drawing large crowds for road games throughout the country. BYU’s fan base size in 2011, was 710,000.( probably has grown) While not a scientific poll, an online survey — the Commoncensus Sports Map Project — reported in 2012 that BYU was the most popular college team in Utah with 28,419 votes. According to the survey, the Cougars were also the No. 2 most popular team in Tempe, Arizona; No. 3 in Tucson, Arizona; No. 3 in the Pacific Northwest; No. 4 in Los Angeles; No. 5 in Dallas-Fort Worth; No. 5 in San Diego; No. 6 in the Bay Area; and No. 9 in Houston.

Also Chip Patterson of CBS Sports covered the BYU angle from Iowa State President Steven Leath's meeting with Iowa State Daily streamed on Facebook Live in 2016. Patterson quotes Leath as saying, "It's a school of integrity. They play by the rules, quality program, and people that have been there had great experiences and we should consider BYU."

IMHO it comes down to the next TV deal(2026 and beyond), does adding 2, 4 or 6 help with the most with next TV contract! I think that is what the BIG12 has to decide especially if the BIG and ACC do not want to expand.

In fairness, at least Orlando is a direct flight and can help with Florida recruiting. That's more than you can say for WVU.
07-29-2021 03:54 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Dawgxas Offline
#FreeDeb025

Posts: 6,874
Joined: Jan 2015
I Root For: Louisiana Tech
Location:
Post: #27
RE: Why Big XII should invite Boise State
(07-29-2021 02:02 PM)NeighSayer Wrote:  
(07-28-2021 10:32 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Boise St screwed over the BE/AAC and San Diego State. They thought they were getting a favored dream deal out of the MWC. Then they watched as the AAC put a stranglehold on the access bowl and got a media contract that pays multiples of what they get. Boise has been trying to pimp themselves to the AAC ever since we dropped to 11 teams, with no luck. They bring no eyeballs, and they cause trouble. And some members havent forgiven them for what they did.

So many falsehoods in this post, it is mind-blowing. The AAC pulled a bait-and-switch on Boise State/SDSU when they promised a western wing to the conference in 2011 and added Temple, Tulane, and Eastern Carolina in 2012 instead. BTW, when the Broncos returned to the MWC, we made it part of our contract that SDSU be allowed to return as well if they wanted, so we helped them, not “screwed them over.”

While the AAC has done well in getting the Access Bowl, Boise State snagged it in 2014, and it seems one or two other G5s outside of the AAC have earned the bid as well—so not exactly a “strangehold.”

I’m surprised Boise State explored membership in the AAC again after their two-faced dealings with us a decade ago, but that’s Harsin for you. After having a consultant show that a move back to the AAC was a loser, we backed off late last year. https://boisedev.com/news/2021/07/22/boi...onference/

Finally, AAC members hardly get “multiples” of Boise State’s take in the MWC. Each AAC school stands at about $7 million per year. Boise State brings in around $6 million. Given we’d have to park our olys in a lesser conference and have to fly back east 4-5 times per year, and take a reduced cut for being football only, the finances don’t add up to make an AAC move even a little appealing.

Boise State knew the AAC would be a net loser for them, plus being tied up in very long term deal and all ESPN deal, it offers little appeal to any MWC.

Boise is definitely one of the top contenders for the Big 12. No other G5 program can come close to Boise’s on the field accomplishments.

BYU and Boise addition would both add value to the Big 12
07-29-2021 04:39 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
maybeimhere Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,171
Joined: Sep 2017
Reputation: 61
I Root For: Houston
Location:
Post: #28
RE: Why Big XII should invite Boise State
(07-29-2021 04:39 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(07-29-2021 02:02 PM)NeighSayer Wrote:  
(07-28-2021 10:32 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Boise St screwed over the BE/AAC and San Diego State. They thought they were getting a favored dream deal out of the MWC. Then they watched as the AAC put a stranglehold on the access bowl and got a media contract that pays multiples of what they get. Boise has been trying to pimp themselves to the AAC ever since we dropped to 11 teams, with no luck. They bring no eyeballs, and they cause trouble. And some members havent forgiven them for what they did.

So many falsehoods in this post, it is mind-blowing. The AAC pulled a bait-and-switch on Boise State/SDSU when they promised a western wing to the conference in 2011 and added Temple, Tulane, and Eastern Carolina in 2012 instead. BTW, when the Broncos returned to the MWC, we made it part of our contract that SDSU be allowed to return as well if they wanted, so we helped them, not “screwed them over.”

While the AAC has done well in getting the Access Bowl, Boise State snagged it in 2014, and it seems one or two other G5s outside of the AAC have earned the bid as well—so not exactly a “strangehold.”

I’m surprised Boise State explored membership in the AAC again after their two-faced dealings with us a decade ago, but that’s Harsin for you. After having a consultant show that a move back to the AAC was a loser, we backed off late last year. https://boisedev.com/news/2021/07/22/boi...onference/

Finally, AAC members hardly get “multiples” of Boise State’s take in the MWC. Each AAC school stands at about $7 million per year. Boise State brings in around $6 million. Given we’d have to park our olys in a lesser conference and have to fly back east 4-5 times per year, and take a reduced cut for being football only, the finances don’t add up to make an AAC move even a little appealing.

Boise State knew the AAC would be a net loser for them, plus being tied up in very long term deal and all ESPN deal, it offers little appeal to any MWC.

Boise is definitely one of the top contenders for the Big 12. No other G5 program can come close to Boise’s on the field accomplishments.

BYU and Boise addition would both add value to the Big 12

Horse Hockey. This isn't 2005 anymore. Multiple AAC schools have done more over the last decade than the Broncos, led the way by UCF.
07-29-2021 05:01 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
THUNDERStruck73 Offline
Complete Jackass
*

Posts: 13,166
Joined: Feb 2012
Reputation: 981
I Root For: Herd, Our Lady, & Heels
Location: Huntington, WV
Post: #29
RE: Why Big XII should invite Boise State
(07-29-2021 09:30 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  In my order:

1.BYU
2. Houston
3. Cincinnati
4. Memphis
should all get a call before Boise State. Why? As of 2021 Boise is the #101 TV market with only a lil over 300K watching TV.

Houston is #8 at 2.5M viewers
Cincinnati #36 at 925K viewers
Memphis is #51 at 619K viewers

(One could also make the case for UCF, however the BIG12 would have to show serious interest in traveling to Florida in all sports outside of Football. The expense may outweigh the TV market.)

So why is BYU #1 on my list....Becuase Big 12 officials have stated that they will consider fan base size as part of the criteria when examining potential expansion candidates. BYU has ranked among the top 30 nationally in football attendance nine times in 10 years, according to the NCAA. The Cougars have finished in the top 20 in attendance in men's basketball for six consecutive seasons. No other Big 12 expansion candidate can come close to those achievements.

BYU’s LaVell Edwards Stadium has a capacity of 63,470, and the Cougars have averaged 59,951 fans per game since the 2010 season. Those figures put BYU No. 3 among Big 12 member schools, only behind Texas (100,119 and 97,529, respectively) and Oklahoma (82,112 and 85,064, respectively).

Big 12 expansion candidate Memphis plays at the 61,008-seat Liberty Bowl and seen a big jump in attendance before COVID drawing 43,802 fans per game.

Seating capacity at other expansion hopefuls: Boise State (37,000), Cincinnati (40,000), Central Florida (44,206), Colorado State (34,400), Connecticut (40,642) and Houston (40,000).

BYU’s Marriott Center (19,100) is larger than any arena in the Big 12, ahead of Texas (16,540) and Kansas (16,300). Over the past six seasons (before COVID), BYU averaged 16,137 fans per men’s basketball game, slightly behind Kansas (16,429) and ahead of the rest of the Big 12, including Iowa State (13,585) and Texas (11,805).

BYU also has a reputation for drawing large crowds for road games throughout the country. BYU’s fan base size in 2011, was 710,000.( probably has grown) While not a scientific poll, an online survey — the Commoncensus Sports Map Project — reported in 2012 that BYU was the most popular college team in Utah with 28,419 votes. According to the survey, the Cougars were also the No. 2 most popular team in Tempe, Arizona; No. 3 in Tucson, Arizona; No. 3 in the Pacific Northwest; No. 4 in Los Angeles; No. 5 in Dallas-Fort Worth; No. 5 in San Diego; No. 6 in the Bay Area; and No. 9 in Houston.

Also Chip Patterson of CBS Sports covered the BYU angle from Iowa State President Steven Leath's meeting with Iowa State Daily streamed on Facebook Live in 2016. Patterson quotes Leath as saying, "It's a school of integrity. They play by the rules, quality program, and people that have been there had great experiences and we should consider BYU."

IMHO it comes down to the next TV deal(2026 and beyond), does adding 2, 4 or 6 help with the most with next TV contract! I think that is what the BIG12 has to decide especially if the BIG and ACC do not want to expand.

I’d say that if the ACC loses Clemson and FSU, UCF starts looking pretty attractive to the ACC.
07-29-2021 06:46 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
NeighSayer Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 179
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation: 15
I Root For: Boise State
Location:
Post: #30
RE: Why Big XII should invite Boise State
(07-29-2021 03:22 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Boise St announced the deal to go back to the MWC without even discussing it with San Diego St. The AAC told San Diego St that without another western team, we couldnt take them, but held off on making any statement until we worked with the Mountain West to ensure they would take them back. There was certainly no original deal between the MWC and Boise that included San Diego St in your move back to the MWC, because for a few days/weeks, San Diego st was in limbo. And seeing how Boise St d*cked over the teams in the BE, everyone knew you'd have no problem doing it to San Diego St.

The 12/31/2012 term sheet for Boise State's reentering the MWC proves you are wrong. See Section 5(e). It specifically gave a month for SDSU to decide whether it wanted to return to the MWC, and the MWC was not allowed to add any other school until SDSU declined during that period. Boise State would not have included that proviso unless it was working closely with the Aztecs. When SDSU saw that there were no other western partners, they too returned to the MWC.

2012 Term Sheet

Quote:Because we make a lot more money than you do, are trending up, and arent letting you guys sniff a post season bowl that doesnt have the name Idaho Potato in it. Also, under the new playoff system, the AAC will have a stranglehold on an autobid. So I get why your guy is pimping you hard. But you might also notice that Boise is having severe issues getting any kind of traction with the AAC. You werent as smart as you thought you were ten years ago.

I already provided you a link with proof positive that Boise State backed off from the AAC because it was not financially viable. I think things have worked out rather well in the MWC since our return...a Fiesta Bowl victory, a regional conference, and the ability to bid out our home games in a separate TV deal from the rest of the conference. Oh, and we haven't played in an Idaho bowl game since 2005. A name like Boise State tends to get interest from all kinds of other bowl options.

Quote:Our tv contract is backloaded, so we are startiung off higher in total disbursements, and will continue to pull away over the decade. Which is why Boise is pimping itself so hard at us.

Your TV deal is way too damn long. The MWC will be catching up (and likely surpassing it) when we go to market in 2025-2026. The AAC won't go back to the open market until 2031. By that time, the Big 12 will likely have siphoned off the cream of the conference. Actually, I'd be surprised if the AAC survives to the end of its contract once it's gutted of its top teams. So looking back, the MWC was the much more stable conference and was able to accommodate our financial needs to sustain a top G5 program. Wish Harsin had won a game or two more to return for his second Access Bowl, but his record of 69-19 was serviceable and had us in the race most years.
(This post was last modified: 07-29-2021 09:41 PM by NeighSayer.)
07-29-2021 09:30 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Reverend Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 178
Joined: Jan 2020
Reputation: 51
I Root For: Boise State
Location:
Post: #31
RE: Why Big XII should invite Boise State
(07-28-2021 10:32 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(07-28-2021 10:09 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  Why? So they could have a conference mate demand special treatment the moment they won and start agitating for an invite to the PAC-12. Boise’s historical behavior has made them toxic not to mention their market size is horrible.

Now compare with potential adds both directions
Houston - 2nd Texas 25M DMA = 8 /2.33M (Shared x2- Houston)
UCF - 4th Florida 18.8M DMA = 18/1.49M (Owned)
Temple - 6th Penn 12.7M. DMA = 4/2.75m (shared - Philly)
USF - 4th Florida 18.8M DMA = 12/1.80M (shared - Tampa)
Memphis -17th Tenn 6.34M DMA = 51/619K (Owned)
Colorado St 22nd Colorado 5.02M DMA = 17/1.53M (Shared x2 - Denver)
SDSU 1st California 37.2M DMA = 27/1.13M (Owned)
Fresno State 1st CA 37.2M. DMA = 55/607K (Owned exclusive)
Boise State 39th ID 1.9M. DMA = 102/311K (Owned exclusive)


Boise St screwed over the BE/AAC and San Diego State. They thought they were getting a favored dream deal out of the MWC. Then they watched as the AAC put a stranglehold on the access bowl and got a media contract that pays multiples of what they get. Boise has been trying to pimp themselves to the AAC ever since we dropped to 11 teams, with no luck. They bring no eyeballs, and they cause trouble. And some members havent forgiven them for what they did.
Cute and not true. This is why Boise State didn't go to the AAC. THEY WERE TOLD IT WASN'T WORTH IT!!

https://boisedev.com/news/2021/07/22/boi...rence/?amp

It's all there. Of course, you AAC fans will try to spin it to where it makes you feel better just like the AAC emails to Boise State. Yes, the AAC was the ones who kept asking.
07-29-2021 09:54 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Reverend Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 178
Joined: Jan 2020
Reputation: 51
I Root For: Boise State
Location:
Post: #32
RE: Why Big XII should invite Boise State
(07-29-2021 06:46 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(07-29-2021 09:30 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  In my order:

1.BYU
2. Houston
3. Cincinnati
4. Memphis
should all get a call before Boise State. Why? As of 2021 Boise is the #101 TV market with only a lil over 300K watching TV.

Houston is #8 at 2.5M viewers
Cincinnati #36 at 925K viewers
Memphis is #51 at 619K viewers

(One could also make the case for UCF, however the BIG12 would have to show serious interest in traveling to Florida in all sports outside of Football. The expense may outweigh the TV market.)

So why is BYU #1 on my list....Becuase Big 12 officials have stated that they will consider fan base size as part of the criteria when examining potential expansion candidates. BYU has ranked among the top 30 nationally in football attendance nine times in 10 years, according to the NCAA. The Cougars have finished in the top 20 in attendance in men's basketball for six consecutive seasons. No other Big 12 expansion candidate can come close to those achievements.

BYU’s LaVell Edwards Stadium has a capacity of 63,470, and the Cougars have averaged 59,951 fans per game since the 2010 season. Those figures put BYU No. 3 among Big 12 member schools, only behind Texas (100,119 and 97,529, respectively) and Oklahoma (82,112 and 85,064, respectively).

Big 12 expansion candidate Memphis plays at the 61,008-seat Liberty Bowl and seen a big jump in attendance before COVID drawing 43,802 fans per game.

Seating capacity at other expansion hopefuls: Boise State (37,000), Cincinnati (40,000), Central Florida (44,206), Colorado State (34,400), Connecticut (40,642) and Houston (40,000).

BYU’s Marriott Center (19,100) is larger than any arena in the Big 12, ahead of Texas (16,540) and Kansas (16,300). Over the past six seasons (before COVID), BYU averaged 16,137 fans per men’s basketball game, slightly behind Kansas (16,429) and ahead of the rest of the Big 12, including Iowa State (13,585) and Texas (11,805).

BYU also has a reputation for drawing large crowds for road games throughout the country. BYU’s fan base size in 2011, was 710,000.( probably has grown) While not a scientific poll, an online survey — the Commoncensus Sports Map Project — reported in 2012 that BYU was the most popular college team in Utah with 28,419 votes. According to the survey, the Cougars were also the No. 2 most popular team in Tempe, Arizona; No. 3 in Tucson, Arizona; No. 3 in the Pacific Northwest; No. 4 in Los Angeles; No. 5 in Dallas-Fort Worth; No. 5 in San Diego; No. 6 in the Bay Area; and No. 9 in Houston.

Also Chip Patterson of CBS Sports covered the BYU angle from Iowa State President Steven Leath's meeting with Iowa State Daily streamed on Facebook Live in 2016. Patterson quotes Leath as saying, "It's a school of integrity. They play by the rules, quality program, and people that have been there had great experiences and we should consider BYU."

IMHO it comes down to the next TV deal(2026 and beyond), does adding 2, 4 or 6 help with the most with next TV contract! I think that is what the BIG12 has to decide especially if the BIG and ACC do not want to expand.

I’d say that if the ACC loses Clemson and FSU, UCF starts looking pretty attractive to the ACC.

When they're not attractive to the Big 12? OK.
07-29-2021 09:56 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
USAFMEDIC Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,914
Joined: Jun 2010
Reputation: 189
I Root For: MIZZOU/FSU/USM
Location: Biloxi, MS
Post: #33
RE: Why Big XII should invite Boise State
Why not merge with the AAC? We have airplanes. That would be a respectable conference... probably better than the PAC 12.
07-29-2021 10:45 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
PicksUp Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,914
Joined: Mar 2018
Reputation: 135
I Root For: UTEP, Texas
Location:
Post: #34
RE: Why Big XII should invite Boise State
(07-29-2021 05:01 PM)maybeimhere Wrote:  
(07-29-2021 04:39 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(07-29-2021 02:02 PM)NeighSayer Wrote:  
(07-28-2021 10:32 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Boise St screwed over the BE/AAC and San Diego State. They thought they were getting a favored dream deal out of the MWC. Then they watched as the AAC put a stranglehold on the access bowl and got a media contract that pays multiples of what they get. Boise has been trying to pimp themselves to the AAC ever since we dropped to 11 teams, with no luck. They bring no eyeballs, and they cause trouble. And some members havent forgiven them for what they did.

So many falsehoods in this post, it is mind-blowing. The AAC pulled a bait-and-switch on Boise State/SDSU when they promised a western wing to the conference in 2011 and added Temple, Tulane, and Eastern Carolina in 2012 instead. BTW, when the Broncos returned to the MWC, we made it part of our contract that SDSU be allowed to return as well if they wanted, so we helped them, not “screwed them over.”

While the AAC has done well in getting the Access Bowl, Boise State snagged it in 2014, and it seems one or two other G5s outside of the AAC have earned the bid as well—so not exactly a “strangehold.”

I’m surprised Boise State explored membership in the AAC again after their two-faced dealings with us a decade ago, but that’s Harsin for you. After having a consultant show that a move back to the AAC was a loser, we backed off late last year. https://boisedev.com/news/2021/07/22/boi...onference/

Finally, AAC members hardly get “multiples” of Boise State’s take in the MWC. Each AAC school stands at about $7 million per year. Boise State brings in around $6 million. Given we’d have to park our olys in a lesser conference and have to fly back east 4-5 times per year, and take a reduced cut for being football only, the finances don’t add up to make an AAC move even a little appealing.

Boise State knew the AAC would be a net loser for them, plus being tied up in very long term deal and all ESPN deal, it offers little appeal to any MWC.

Boise is definitely one of the top contenders for the Big 12. No other G5 program can come close to Boise’s on the field accomplishments.

BYU and Boise addition would both add value to the Big 12

Horse Hockey. This isn't 2005 anymore. Multiple AAC schools have done more over the last decade than the Broncos, led the way by UCF.

How many schools have 100 wins since Boise joined the MWC? Boise is one of them.

Ill wait for an answer.
07-29-2021 10:46 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
UofMstateU Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 39,085
Joined: Dec 2009
Reputation: 3551
I Root For: Memphis
Location:
Post: #35
RE: Why Big XII should invite Boise State
(07-29-2021 09:54 PM)Reverend Wrote:  
(07-28-2021 10:32 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(07-28-2021 10:09 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  Why? So they could have a conference mate demand special treatment the moment they won and start agitating for an invite to the PAC-12. Boise’s historical behavior has made them toxic not to mention their market size is horrible.

Now compare with potential adds both directions
Houston - 2nd Texas 25M DMA = 8 /2.33M (Shared x2- Houston)
UCF - 4th Florida 18.8M DMA = 18/1.49M (Owned)
Temple - 6th Penn 12.7M. DMA = 4/2.75m (shared - Philly)
USF - 4th Florida 18.8M DMA = 12/1.80M (shared - Tampa)
Memphis -17th Tenn 6.34M DMA = 51/619K (Owned)
Colorado St 22nd Colorado 5.02M DMA = 17/1.53M (Shared x2 - Denver)
SDSU 1st California 37.2M DMA = 27/1.13M (Owned)
Fresno State 1st CA 37.2M. DMA = 55/607K (Owned exclusive)
Boise State 39th ID 1.9M. DMA = 102/311K (Owned exclusive)


Boise St screwed over the BE/AAC and San Diego State. They thought they were getting a favored dream deal out of the MWC. Then they watched as the AAC put a stranglehold on the access bowl and got a media contract that pays multiples of what they get. Boise has been trying to pimp themselves to the AAC ever since we dropped to 11 teams, with no luck. They bring no eyeballs, and they cause trouble. And some members havent forgiven them for what they did.
Cute and not true. This is why Boise State didn't go to the AAC. THEY WERE TOLD IT WASN'T WORTH IT!!

So you screwed people over AND you got bad advice. Nice!

Quote:https://boisedev.com/news/2021/07/22/boi...rence/?amp

It's all there. Of course, you AAC fans will try to spin it to where it makes you feel better just like the AAC emails to Boise State. Yes, the AAC was the ones who kept asking.

Whats there? Desperation.

Also, I really like this quote:
“Boise State has a ‘preferred’ revenue share in the Mountain West Conference,” Alden wrote. “We do not believe it is likely that other conferences would incorporate. "


Cute. Hey, Pac-10. Boise here. Yea I know we are basically a votech school with a tv market the size of a high school, but you're going to want us. Also, we want more piece of the pie then the rest of you guys like we're getting from the MWC. Because we have a blue field.

And you wonder why you're not getting any interest.
(This post was last modified: 07-29-2021 10:56 PM by UofMstateU.)
07-29-2021 10:55 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.