The Pac-12 will always be top 6. What they are concerned about is getting that 2nd school in nearly every year. One of the reasons for Scott's ouster was his refusal to improve the football schedule which saw Oregon, Stanford and Washington successively knocked out of the playoff with predictably difficult back to back late start Saturday Night then Friday Night road games for the conference favorites. Also his refusal to look at tweaking the CCG to have the strongest two schools play. The AD's think he cost the Pac-12 two or three Playoff appearances.

Getting the scheduling right, much like the SEC does for Alabama and other contenders is critical. Making the top 6 conference by ranking is not even in question, ever.

(08-01-2021 10:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The Pac-12 will always be top 6. What they are concerned about is getting that 2nd school in nearly every year. One of the reasons for Scott's ouster was his refusal to improve the football schedule which saw Oregon, Stanford and Washington successively knocked out of the playoff with predictably difficult back to back late start Saturday Night then Friday Night road games for the conference favorites. Also his refusal to look at tweaking the CCG to have the strongest two schools play. The AD's think he cost the Pac-12 two or three Playoff appearances.

Getting the scheduling right, much like the SEC does for Alabama and other contenders is critical. Making the top 6 conference by ranking is not even in question, ever.

Except for last year?

(08-01-2021 10:23 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-01-2021 10:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The Pac-12 will always be top 6. What they are concerned about is getting that 2nd school in nearly every year. One of the reasons for Scott's ouster was his refusal to improve the football schedule which saw Oregon, Stanford and Washington successively knocked out of the playoff with predictably difficult back to back late start Saturday Night then Friday Night road games for the conference favorites. Also his refusal to look at tweaking the CCG to have the strongest two schools play. The AD's think he cost the Pac-12 two or three Playoff appearances.

Getting the scheduling right, much like the SEC does for Alabama and other contenders is critical. Making the top 6 conference by ranking is not even in question, ever.

Except for last year?

LOL, Covid year. Cincy and Coastal did well. I would throw that year out pretty much completely. It was too unequal. You wont see that again. The G5 will have to play SEC, B1G and P12 schools who played all internal.

You guys underrated the Pac-12 in basketball too, and they took home more credits than the rest.

(08-01-2021 10:23 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-01-2021 10:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The Pac-12 will always be top 6. What they are concerned about is getting that 2nd school in nearly every year. One of the reasons for Scott's ouster was his refusal to improve the football schedule which saw Oregon, Stanford and Washington successively knocked out of the playoff with predictably difficult back to back late start Saturday Night then Friday Night road games for the conference favorites. Also his refusal to look at tweaking the CCG to have the strongest two schools play. The AD's think he cost the Pac-12 two or three Playoff appearances.

Getting the scheduling right, much like the SEC does for Alabama and other contenders is critical. Making the top 6 conference by ranking is not even in question, ever.

Except for last year?

Last year the Pac-12 barely played a half season schedule. Four schools played a total of four games each. Washington went 3-1, which won the Pac-12 North title but missed the CCG with a covid outbreak. Clearly an incomplete season and not a typical season.

The Conference of Champions is far better overall than some who post on this board are willing to admit.

Bill Walton and Bill Dazzle say it is so — and so it is.

(08-01-2021 10:36 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(08-01-2021 10:23 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-01-2021 10:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The Pac-12 will always be top 6. What they are concerned about is getting that 2nd school in nearly every year. One of the reasons for Scott's ouster was his refusal to improve the football schedule which saw Oregon, Stanford and Washington successively knocked out of the playoff with predictably difficult back to back late start Saturday Night then Friday Night road games for the conference favorites. Also his refusal to look at tweaking the CCG to have the strongest two schools play. The AD's think he cost the Pac-12 two or three Playoff appearances.

Getting the scheduling right, much like the SEC does for Alabama and other contenders is critical. Making the top 6 conference by ranking is not even in question, ever.

Except for last year?

LOL, Covid year. Cincy and Coastal did well. I would throw that year out pretty much completely. It was too unequal. You wont see that again. The G5 will have to play SEC, B1G and P12 schools who played all internal.

You guys underrated the Pac-12 in basketball too, and they took home more credits than the rest.

Since the BCS era, Pac 12 champ would have missed twice as would the Big 10 champ (although once was the year Ohio St. was on probation). ACC would have missed 4 out of 23 years. Big 12 and SEC would have made it every year.

(07-27-2021 08:42 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 08:34 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  As has already been said, TV network guys have a vested interest in lowballing the neo Big 12 conference. Nobody wants to get into a bidding war, which is exactly what is going to happen regardless. That putative 11-12 team conference will get close to 20 million per year.

So in other words the remaining 8 schools by your estimate would be making half of what they made with Texas and Oklahoma....that is a comfort...

That is better than the MWC and the AAC!

In the modern world, with the increasing separation of the P5 from the G5, and the likely dropping of the B12 to only near P strength, much like the Big East of 2004-11, the P12 will have much less difficulty, as will the ACC in having a top 4 conference champion. Both the ACC and P12 are likely to end Divisions to place the best two schools in the Championship game, the P12 may even go down to 8 conference games to reduce the number of losses their better teams take, in a strategy similar to the SEC and ACC. All these factors will make it harder for either the coaches poll or the committee to rank any G5 conference winner ahead of them. The B12 without Oklahoma and Texas (they do have up years and NCs) will have a much harder time being ranked above the P12 champion as well.

Yes the P12 is much better than many posters, internalizing ESPN propaganda, state. But I still think Bill Walton sucks as an analyst. While he is a great cheerleader for the P12, he completely fails to give good insight and promotion of the top NBA level talent that is in the league year in and year out, instead giving long winded talks about players in the distant past. This comes at the cost of the players on the court. Before the Tournament none of you knew about Z Will, E Mobley or Duarte. I blame Bill Walton for a lot of that, for not focusing on those guys and putting them front and center. He prefers to go on about Kareem and others in the distant past, and coaches long retired. It would be like the color analyst of the Alabama-Auburn game going on about Bear Bryant and the great players in the 1971 Iron Bowl ignoring the NFL talent on the field; their names only occasionally crossing his lips.

Our lists might be premature as the Big XII expansion race has taken another twist with an unexpected candidate throwing their hat in the ring:
https://www.clarionledger.com/story/spor...917523002/

(08-01-2021 10:46 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  The Conference of Champions is far better overall than some who post on this board are willing to admit.

IMO the PAC is about as stable as the B1G and SEC, meaning very damn stable.

PAC has excellent, flagship level institutions and totally dominates its area, no competitors. Even with all its problems, the PAC has been grossing over $500m. That shows its underlying strength. Also, PAC football has never been anything but strong, it just has a perception problem due to lack of CFP participants.

Still, you can't float by on fundamentals forever. The PAC needs to get its act together under the new commissioner or else the gap with the B1G and SEC will get worse.

the big 12 needs to separate itself from the aac while they can, so I’d throw out invites to Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, UCF, USF and Tulane right now to get to 14. Than, I’d think about Colorado state and BYU for 16.

(08-02-2021 12:07 PM)bluesox Wrote:  the big 12 needs to separate itself from the aac while they can, so I’d throw out invites to Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, UCF, USF and Tulane right now to get to 14. Than, I’d think about Colorado state and BYU for 16.

I say the earliest the invites go out is once July 2025 is confirmed exit date for OU/UT. If they settle sooner, the invites can go out earlier. But they need OU/UT to either commit to the existing GoR timeline or reach a settlement earlier.

If the timeline remains the same, I think we will see two invites go out. Inevitably, an AAC team will be involved and needs 27 months notice before getting out. So I think they have to tell candidates to have their applications submitted by Dec 2021, with approval by Jan 22, to open Fall play in 2025.

Could be as soon as four months out I feel, with two teams getting invited and no more. Could be four though.

(08-02-2021 12:18 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(08-02-2021 12:07 PM)bluesox Wrote:  the big 12 needs to separate itself from the aac while they can, so I’d throw out invites to Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, UCF, USF and Tulane right now to get to 14. Than, I’d think about Colorado state and BYU for 16.

I say the earliest the invites go out is once July 2025 is confirmed exit date for OU/UT. If they settle sooner, the invites can go out earlier. But they need OU/UT to either commit to the existing GoR timeline or reach a settlement earlier.

If the timeline remains the same, I think we will see two invites go out. Inevitably, an AAC team will be involved and needs 27 months notice before getting out. So I think they have to tell candidates to have their applications submitted by Dec 2021, with approval by Jan 22, to open Fall play in 2025.

Could be as soon as four months out I feel, with two teams getting invited and no more. Could be four though.

Think Big 12 doesn't act until they reach agreement on a date with UT/OU and the Pac 12 either expands or tells people no.

This notion that the B12 is going to be able to stand part at eight teams without a serious reduction in their television contract is a batshit crazy theory that has no chance of actually happening for any length of time.

The Big 12 will be forced to expand by at least two or three teams and I think there’s a better than average chance they’re going to expand by as many as six teams.

If I were in their shoes I would look to expand East and West to weaken competition from both the AAC and the MWC. That is who you were fending off for that number five spot now and don’t ever lose sight of that fact. The time for delusional pipe dreams is over. Iowa State and Kansas are not going to the Big Ten and West Virginia is not going to be saved by the ACC any more than the ACC is going to be saved by Notre Dame.

The remaining Big 12 teams’ fortunes are still all very much tied together, so now is the time to choose wisely and strategically.

I would seriously consider adding Cincinnati, Houston and UCF from the East and BYU, Colorado State and Boise State from the West.

The reason why I think Western expansion is much more attractive this time than it was the last time is because the PAC 12 is looking at dominating the PST primetime television slots out West. I think the Big 12 should look to the Mountain West (plus Independent BYU) to counter them in some of those areas.

That’s going to be of increased importance because ESPN is not sinking billions of dollars into the SEC to not shove them down everyone’s throats in the East. The Big Ten is fine because it will find a lot of time available on Fox Sports Net. However, the ACC, which is tied entirely to ESPN, is going to have a very difficult time getting primetime or even 3:30 PM games on ABC or the Mothership. It’s games will all be relegated to the ACC Network, ESPN 2, ESPN+, etc.

(08-02-2021 12:41 AM)bullet Wrote:  Since the BCS era, Pac 12 champ would have missed twice as would the Big 10 champ (although once was the year Ohio St. was on probation). ACC would have missed 4 out of 23 years. Big 12 and SEC would have made it every year.

Therefore a change in the make-up of the Big12 can be a systemic change in whether the ACC, Pac12, or BigTen is likely to miss out on the top six champions.

So then why is it called the Big 12 and not the Big 8 again?????

(08-02-2021 02:52 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  This notion that the B12 is going to be able to stand part at eight teams without a serious reduction in their television contract is a batshit crazy theory that has no chance of actually happening for any length of time.

The Big 12 will be forced to expand by at least two or three teams and I think there’s a better than average chance they’re going to expand by as many as six teams.

If I were in their shoes I would look to expand East and West to weaken competition from both the AAC and the MWC. That is who you were fending off for that number five spot now and don’t ever lose sight of that fact. The time for delusional pipe dreams is over. Iowa State and Kansas are not going to the Big Ten and West Virginia is not going to be saved by the ACC any more than the ACC is going to be saved by Notre Dame.

The remaining Big 12 teams’ fortunes are still all very much tied together, so now is the time to choose wisely and strategically.

I would seriously consider adding Cincinnati, Houston and UCF from the East and BYU, Colorado State and Boise State from the West.

The reason why I think Western expansion is much more attractive this time than it was the last time is because the PAC 12 is looking at dominating the PST primetime television slots out West. I think the Big 12 should look to the Mountain West (plus Independent BYU) to counter them in some of those areas.

That’s going to be of increased importance because ESPN is not sinking billions of dollars into the SEC to not shove them down everyone’s throats in the East. The Big Ten is fine because it will find a lot of time available on Fox Sports Net. However, the ACC, which is tied entirely to ESPN, is going to have a very difficult time getting primetime or even 3:30 PM games on ABC or the Mothership. It’s games will all be relegated to the ACC Network, ESPN 2, ESPN+, etc.

PAC time zones are not that valuable,which is part of the reason why the Pac-12 is in trouble. Not many people are up watching college football at 11/12:00 o'clock at night. Secondly I am going continue to stand by my point that I think that ESPN is not going to allow the Big12 to force them to pay them 3/4 times what they are worth and simultaneously gut the AAC that they have deemed to be the successor league in their future plans. The silence from ESPN and the AAC along with every athletic departments in the AAC is suspicious. Every viable add that the Big12 has available except for the few mwc teams are directly tied to ESPN through newly signed multi-year agreements. I think that the Big12 is going down a fatal path that is going to end badly for them and any programs that join them in the not to distant future.

L8 knows at this point their is going to be more realignment, if not immediately by the time the ACC GOR is up.

Going to 10 with BYU/CSU now protects against WVU leaving for the ACC. BYU football only because of the no Sunday play thing.

I don't think the L8 feel that adding a 4th Texas school is in their recruiting interests. Cincinnati would rather be in the ACC too, same with UCF/USF.