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RE: Should the conference do anything if NMSU gets grabbed by the MWC?
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(07-27-2021 04:57 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I'm pretty confident if the Sun Belt had to search for a new member or two their first thought would be to try and poach a CUSA school or two. Which might lead to CUSA taking NMSU if that were to happen and if they said no we'd probably reinvite NMSU to the Belt. Not sure how receptive they'd be due to the history.

I think there is bad blood with the SBC and NMSU. I don' think the SBC ever forgave NMSU for leaving to join the WAC. When NMSU gave it's presentation for full membership, there were reports that the SBC commish and others had already made up their minds and were very dismissive. I don't think the SBC would ever invite NMSU back.

Dang. I didnt even think about that. When was that like 2005? Crazy how the tables have turned. FWIW alot of SBC fans wish we invited yall for full membership.

Who was the Commish back then? Wasn't it the snake oil salesman Benson? That probably had a lot to do with it too. Not sure who all is still around from that time frame, and whether time has healed any wounds.

I don't believe there is any animosity on NMSU's part, but I could see the SBC having some heartburn over it as PP stated above.

GO AGGIES!!!!

Yes, it was Benson. I agree that NMSU never held any animosity. They genuinely wanted back in the SBC as a full member. And they gave a really good proposal touting Aggie Vision, offering to pay travel subsidies and were very professional. Idaho, on the other hand, really dropped the ball with their proposal. They were not prepared at all.
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RE: Should the conference do anything if NMSU gets grabbed by the MWC?
(07-28-2021 10:14 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
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(07-28-2021 08:45 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 04:57 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I'm pretty confident if the Sun Belt had to search for a new member or two their first thought would be to try and poach a CUSA school or two. Which might lead to CUSA taking NMSU if that were to happen and if they said no we'd probably reinvite NMSU to the Belt. Not sure how receptive they'd be due to the history.

I think there is bad blood with the SBC and NMSU. I don' think the SBC ever forgave NMSU for leaving to join the WAC. When NMSU gave it's presentation for full membership, there were reports that the SBC commish and others had already made up their minds and were very dismissive. I don't think the SBC would ever invite NMSU back.

Dang. I didnt even think about that. When was that like 2005? Crazy how the tables have turned. FWIW alot of SBC fans wish we invited yall for full membership.

Who was the Commish back then? Wasn't it the snake oil salesman Benson? That probably had a lot to do with it too. Not sure who all is still around from that time frame, and whether time has healed any wounds.

I don't believe there is any animosity on NMSU's part, but I could see the SBC having some heartburn over it as PP stated above.

GO AGGIES!!!!

Yes, it was Benson. I agree that NMSU never held any animosity. They genuinely wanted back in the SBC as a full member. And they gave a really good proposal touting Aggie Vision, offering to pay travel subsidies and were very professional. Idaho, on the other hand, really dropped the ball with their proposal. They were not prepared at all.

I am not sure I would call it animosity on the part of most SBC folks, rather it was leeriness that since we left once we might leave again. So, why take a chance.
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RE: Should the conference do anything if NMSU gets grabbed by the MWC?
(07-28-2021 10:11 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
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(07-28-2021 08:45 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 04:57 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I'm pretty confident if the Sun Belt had to search for a new member or two their first thought would be to try and poach a CUSA school or two. Which might lead to CUSA taking NMSU if that were to happen and if they said no we'd probably reinvite NMSU to the Belt. Not sure how receptive they'd be due to the history.

I think there is bad blood with the SBC and NMSU. I don' think the SBC ever forgave NMSU for leaving to join the WAC. When NMSU gave it's presentation for full membership, there were reports that the SBC commish and others had already made up their minds and were very dismissive. I don't think the SBC would ever invite NMSU back.

Dang. I didnt even think about that. When was that like 2005? Crazy how the tables have turned. FWIW alot of SBC fans wish we invited yall for full membership.

You are correct. The response form the fanbases was positive towards NMSU. I think Benson was the one spewing venom. I think he felt burned when NMSU left, but how could they not? At the time, the WAC was on equal footing with the MWC.

Benson was the WAC comish who got NMSU to join in the first place. He wasn't with the SBC.
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RE: Should the conference do anything if NMSU gets grabbed by the MWC?
Correct, then he bolted the WAC just as everyone left and football shut down. That’s when we were looking for full membership in the SBC the second time.

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RE: Should the conference do anything if NMSU gets grabbed by the MWC?
Wright Waters extended an invitation to NMSU to join the Sun Belt (to start up a FBS football conference) when the Big West shutdown football; due to the usual suspect screwing NMSU over the first time.
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The MWC will not want NMSUs garbage football program and the WCC will not want a for profit bottom tier academic school like GCU.
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RE: Should the conference do anything if NMSU gets grabbed by the MWC?
I don't see anyone wanting NMSU so not seeing them being anywhere other than the WAC for the foreseeable future.
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(07-29-2021 11:47 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  I don't see anyone wanting NMSU so not seeing them being anywhere other than the WAC for the foreseeable future.

Sadly you are correct here. The only way we would get consideration for any other conference is if they were totally decimated. And even then if UNM or UTEP is a part of that conference they will not be on board with us joining.
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(07-29-2021 11:47 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  I don't see anyone wanting NMSU so not seeing them being anywhere other than the WAC for the foreseeable future.

Sadly you are correct here. The only way we would get consideration for any other conference is if they were totally decimated. And even then if UNM or UTEP is a part of that conference they will not be on board with us joining.

Why would UTEP block it, don't those two play each other all the time due to proximity? They're out on an island in C-USA so I don't see them having an issue with adding a travel partner school.

With that being said, UTEP to the WAC actually makes more sense...
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RE: Should the conference do anything if NMSU gets grabbed by the MWC?
(07-30-2021 02:05 PM)DetroitKat Wrote:  Why would UTEP block it, don't those two play each other all the time due to proximity? They're out on an island in C-USA so I don't see them having an issue with adding a travel partner school.

With that being said, UTEP to the WAC actually makes more sense...

Why wouldn't UTEP block it? They are in a league seen as a 'step up' from the one in which NMSU resides; they already get them in non-conference play across all sports (which saves a flight in non-league play); they recruit against NMSU so anything they can get an advantage on (i.e. being in a 'better league') is an edge, etc.

UTEP would probably look 'west' but not Western Athletic Conference. They would want to be in the Mountain West with all their old rivals if they left C-USA.

I am sure that C-USA would not have much problem seeing them go (though they have when good in hoops, provided great crowds & solid postseason tournament crowds) as they are a flight from everyone and it shrinks the size of the league a fair share. In the same vein, C-USA adding NMSU would keep the league "that big" if UTEP were to leave.
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RE: Should the conference do anything if NMSU gets grabbed by the MWC?
Though not impossible. still, highly unlikely NMSU gets a MWC invite. Forget about the SBC or C-USA. It is all about money, TV Dollars. And Las Cruses/NMSU adds no significant value in that perspective. It would add Travel cost to the SBC/C-USA so they have nothing to gain and everything to lose by adding NMSU. As far as the MWC, UNM will do what ever it can to keep you out. And I do not see any MWC team getting raided by anyone else. Boise can think they are all that and a bag of chips, but in reality they are an isolated school with poor academics compared to power 5 schools and no one wants them either. Air Force Academy is the only Attractive school in the MWC for the Big 12/AAC and even so, its not an ideal candidate due to travel/fan support. But for the sake of NMSU getting an MWC invite it would take the BIG 12 Raiding 3-4 AAC teams and hope for the dominoes to fall just right. But more than likely if that happens, the AAC would raid C-USA/SBC schools rather than MWC schools. The chances of NMSU getting in the MWC are slim, but compared to "None" a week or two ago, I guess that is something.
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The rumors I saw on the news last night indicated that the Big 12 and Pac 12 have talked. If as was suggested in another post the ultimate goal for the big tv money is a Power 4 then this may be the start of it. If you want to take away tv money from the SEC a bigger conference is probably what it is going to take. A straight merger would form a twenty team conference with schools covering two thirds of the country. Break it into two divisions of ten and then a conference championship. In football each school would play nine conference games. That leaves three games to schedule. One of those could be a cross division game leaving two games to try to schedule against the other conferences. This wouldn't leave much room for anyone else to be invited to join one of these four.
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RE: Should the conference do anything if NMSU gets grabbed by the MWC?
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(07-30-2021 09:05 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  
(07-29-2021 11:47 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  I don't see anyone wanting NMSU so not seeing them being anywhere other than the WAC for the foreseeable future.

Sadly you are correct here. The only way we would get consideration for any other conference is if they were totally decimated. And even then if UNM or UTEP is a part of that conference they will not be on board with us joining.

Why would UTEP block it, don't those two play each other all the time due to proximity? They're out on an island in C-USA so I don't see them having an issue with adding a travel partner school.

With that being said, UTEP to the WAC actually makes more sense...

UTEP/NMSU aren’t like Michigan/MSU or Texas/OU where rivals actually see the value of being in the same conference. Maybe it’s because UTEP/NMSU share the same small market. Honestly I don’t think that makes a difference in anyway. Including recruiting.

What it really boils down to is that UTEP has always seen itself and marketed itself as a step above NMSU in regards to athletics. And there was a time where there was a substantial difference from the competitiveness standpoint. But over the years that gap has closed. So while it would make absolute sense for UTEP, NMSU and even UNM to be in the same conference those two schools don’t want it, have never wanted it and will do whatever they can to keep it from happening.
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RE: Should the conference do anything if NMSU gets grabbed by the MWC?
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(07-27-2021 05:43 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  The issue with NMSU is that if UTEP goes MWC (and NMSU doesn’t) - there’s no reason for CUSA to expand to bring Aggies in. It serves no benefit in trying to tighten the league geography which can be served by bringing up a Sun Belt institution or even a James Madison.

Losing NMSU will not impact the WAC in any stretch as it relates to expansion plans or not. As Moccia says, 12 or 14 is better than 13! :)

I'm not so sure any Sun Belt school other than maybe us would consider CUSA. I'm not even sure we would go for it at this point. The JMU board seems to be pretty anti anything subAAC as well.

Or if Texas State, UTEP, North Texas, Rice, and New Mexico State joined forces and could convince at least 3 southwestern based FCS schools to move to FBS, they could resurrect the Big West or old Southwest Conference, and have a reasonably tight footprint.
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(09-17-2021 05:26 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 06:54 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 05:43 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  The issue with NMSU is that if UTEP goes MWC (and NMSU doesn’t) - there’s no reason for CUSA to expand to bring Aggies in. It serves no benefit in trying to tighten the league geography which can be served by bringing up a Sun Belt institution or even a James Madison.

Losing NMSU will not impact the WAC in any stretch as it relates to expansion plans or not. As Moccia says, 12 or 14 is better than 13! :)

I'm not so sure any Sun Belt school other than maybe us would consider CUSA. I'm not even sure we would go for it at this point. The JMU board seems to be pretty anti anything subAAC as well.

Or if Texas State, UTEP, North Texas, Rice, and New Mexico State joined forces and could convince at least 3 southwestern based FCS schools to move to FBS, they could resurrect the Big West or old Southwest Conference, and have a reasonably tight footprint.
How in the hell would they “resurrect” the Big West when it’s already got 11 members, 2 of which are California schools that play FCS football? Considering it’s got Hawaii in it, doesn’t seem like the footprint would be too “tight”.
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(09-17-2021 10:54 AM)SammyH Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 05:26 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 06:54 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 05:43 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  The issue with NMSU is that if UTEP goes MWC (and NMSU doesn’t) - there’s no reason for CUSA to expand to bring Aggies in. It serves no benefit in trying to tighten the league geography which can be served by bringing up a Sun Belt institution or even a James Madison.

Losing NMSU will not impact the WAC in any stretch as it relates to expansion plans or not. As Moccia says, 12 or 14 is better than 13! :)

I'm not so sure any Sun Belt school other than maybe us would consider CUSA. I'm not even sure we would go for it at this point. The JMU board seems to be pretty anti anything subAAC as well.

Or if Texas State, UTEP, North Texas, Rice, and New Mexico State joined forces and could convince at least 3 southwestern based FCS schools to move to FBS, they could resurrect the Big West or old Southwest Conference, and have a reasonably tight footprint.
How in the hell would they “resurrect” the Big West when it’s already got 11 members, 2 of which are California schools that play FCS football? Considering it’s got Hawaii in it, doesn’t seem like the footprint would be too “tight”.

Yeah, I didn't realize the Big West Conference namesake was still around.
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(09-17-2021 05:26 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 06:54 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 05:43 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  The issue with NMSU is that if UTEP goes MWC (and NMSU doesn’t) - there’s no reason for CUSA to expand to bring Aggies in. It serves no benefit in trying to tighten the league geography which can be served by bringing up a Sun Belt institution or even a James Madison.

Losing NMSU will not impact the WAC in any stretch as it relates to expansion plans or not. As Moccia says, 12 or 14 is better than 13! :)

I'm not so sure any Sun Belt school other than maybe us would consider CUSA. I'm not even sure we would go for it at this point. The JMU board seems to be pretty anti anything subAAC as well.

Or if Texas State, UTEP, North Texas, Rice, and New Mexico State joined forces and could convince at least 3 southwestern based FCS schools to move to FBS, they could resurrect the Big West or old Southwest Conference, and have a reasonably tight footprint.

The problem is that there is a lot of gatekeeping.
The old Southwest conferences schools dont want to share a conference with UNT. In the years prior to TXST's move up, UNT did not want the Bobcats in a conference with them. (plenty of posts on GoMeanGreen about it).

Likewise, TXST likely does not want to be in a conference with Lamar and Sam Houston.
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RE: Should the conference do anything if NMSU gets grabbed by the MWC?
With seven weeks having passed since the OP things are a bit clearer now. We know the AAC is making a play for four MWC schools. I don't see anyone from the MWC switching conferences by themselves; either all or none will go. I also think the likely outcome is that the MWC schools will pass on the AAC offer.

But if Aresco gets enough help from ESPN to somehow pull his hoped-for rabbit out of the hat, the MWC will be down to just eight members and because Hawaii is football-only at least one new FBS school will have to be added for all sports. Moreover the MWC won't be so attractive at that point that it can grab any school it wants from CUSA or the Sun Belt. In that scenario I think the MWC's first call would go to UTEP, but if the Miners declined to join a weakened MWC then the next call would almost certainly go to NMSU.

Personally I would be happy to have NMSU in the MWC under those circumstances. As for the WAC, losing NMSU would be a blow but certainly not threatening to the conference's stability since there would still be 12 members and all seven FCS football-playing schools would still be on board. Also the divisions would be balanced at six each so the WAC really wouldn't have to do anything other than try to keep UTRGV on course to become the eighth football-playing member.
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(09-17-2021 03:13 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 05:26 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 06:54 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 05:43 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  The issue with NMSU is that if UTEP goes MWC (and NMSU doesn’t) - there’s no reason for CUSA to expand to bring Aggies in. It serves no benefit in trying to tighten the league geography which can be served by bringing up a Sun Belt institution or even a James Madison.

Losing NMSU will not impact the WAC in any stretch as it relates to expansion plans or not. As Moccia says, 12 or 14 is better than 13! :)

I'm not so sure any Sun Belt school other than maybe us would consider CUSA. I'm not even sure we would go for it at this point. The JMU board seems to be pretty anti anything subAAC as well.

Or if Texas State, UTEP, North Texas, Rice, and New Mexico State joined forces and could convince at least 3 southwestern based FCS schools to move to FBS, they could resurrect the Big West or old Southwest Conference, and have a reasonably tight footprint.

The problem is that there is a lot of gatekeeping.
The old Southwest conferences schools dont want to share a conference with UNT. In the years prior to TXST's move up, UNT did not want the Bobcats in a conference with them. (plenty of posts on GoMeanGreen about it).

Likewise, TXST likely does not want to be in a conference with Lamar and Sam Houston.


I agree, but the way college athletics has evolved since then would probably require such feelings to be re-evaluated. I did see that North Texas is on the Mountain West Conference's "Next to be Invited" list along with Tulsa.
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(09-17-2021 12:46 PM)All4One Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 10:54 AM)SammyH Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 05:26 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 06:54 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 05:43 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  The issue with NMSU is that if UTEP goes MWC (and NMSU doesn’t) - there’s no reason for CUSA to expand to bring Aggies in. It serves no benefit in trying to tighten the league geography which can be served by bringing up a Sun Belt institution or even a James Madison.

Losing NMSU will not impact the WAC in any stretch as it relates to expansion plans or not. As Moccia says, 12 or 14 is better than 13! :)

I'm not so sure any Sun Belt school other than maybe us would consider CUSA. I'm not even sure we would go for it at this point. The JMU board seems to be pretty anti anything subAAC as well.

Or if Texas State, UTEP, North Texas, Rice, and New Mexico State joined forces and could convince at least 3 southwestern based FCS schools to move to FBS, they could resurrect the Big West or old Southwest Conference, and have a reasonably tight footprint.
How in the hell would they “resurrect” the Big West when it’s already got 11 members, 2 of which are California schools that play FCS football? Considering it’s got Hawaii in it, doesn’t seem like the footprint would be too “tight”.

Yeah, I didn't realize the Big West Conference namesake was still around.

Good lord. This is just about too much... The namesake? By namesake, you mean the CONFERENCE?
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