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RE: Does the playoff expand to 12 now?
(07-31-2021 11:20 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-31-2021 12:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  He didn’t really say anything there except they weren’t the ones clamoring for expansion.

Four isn’t going to net them more participants than they’ve had. Sorry, still not jumping undefeated teams from other regions with your two new galoots. He probably wants 8 at this point.

Exactly. The SEC was always just fine with a 4 team playoff. If the other conferences want to stop CFP expansion, the SEC would have zero issue with that.

It going to expand...much like the SEC Vote was going to be 14-0
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RE: Does the playoff expand to 12 now?
Would the SEC be okay with a cap of 4 teams from a conference in a 12 team CFP? I seen 3 proposed somewhere on here and that was an automatic won't happen, but 4 teams is 1/3 of the playoff field, still allows for the opportunity to have all 4 semifinalists, and would leave 3 at-large bids for other conferences and ND. I'm gonna guess no, but hopefully the committee would be wise enough to limit the conferences unofficially to 4 teams without there being an actual rule limiting it.
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RE: Does the playoff expand to 12 now?
(07-31-2021 11:33 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  Would the SEC be okay with a cap of 4 teams from a conference in a 12 team CFP? I seen 3 proposed somewhere on here and that was an automatic won't happen, but 4 teams is 1/3 of the playoff field, still allows for the opportunity to have all 4 semifinalists, and would leave 3 at-large bids for other conferences and ND. I'm gonna guess no, but hopefully the committee would be wise enough to limit the conferences unofficially to 4 teams without there being an actual rule limiting it.

A rule that no first round game could have two schools from the same conference would be an implicit cap at five. I'm not sure they'll put the cap lower than that.

But a rule that no first round game can have two schools from the same conference or from the conference of the second round game it is bracketed against would be an implicit cap at four.

A rule that a conference champion hosts would not cap the total numbers, but it would cap the first round SEC hosts at two (formally, provided the SEC champion earns a first round bye). However, I expect the SEC would indeed veto that one, and the Big Ten would join them.
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RE: Does the playoff expand to 12 now?
I just don't see a response from the PAC, B1G, ACC, or BIGXII being a no vote or some kind of block of an expanded playoff. The SEC went to more BCS championship games and has had more teams in the 4 team playoff than any other conference. So if they stop it from happening they're only hurting themselves.

The only thing I can think of is some how writing in a rule that limits the amount of teams that can come out of a conference. Something like, only the top 4 schools from any given conference is eligible for the new playoff...

But stopping the expansion, not a chance. These conferences want playoff access and playoff money. Expanding beyond a 4 team playoff is the only way this is accomplished.
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RE: Does the playoff expand to 12 now?
I don't see a cap. TV won't want it. It goes along with the idea of no guaranteed bids. The 6 champs requirement is a form of cap. No conference can have more than 7.

And there are a number of years where the SEC or Big 10 would have had 4 teams, so I don't see a cap as low as 4.
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RE: Does the playoff expand to 12 now?
(07-31-2021 11:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  I don't see a cap. TV won't want it. It goes along with the idea of no guaranteed bids. The 6 champs requirement is a form of cap. No conference can have more than 7.

And there are a number of years where the SEC or Big 10 would have had 4 teams, so I don't see a cap as low as 4.

But media partners would like first round games to be interconference games, since a big interconference game after the CCG has been held makes it feel like bowl season. So a rule that all first round games are interconference is more plausible.
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RE: Does the playoff expand to 12 now?
The 12-team format will probably go through eventually, even though there's been a lot of commentary about how dubious it was for Sankey to be in on this proposal while hiding the fact that OU and UT were only weeks away from getting and accepting invitations to join the SEC.

The obvious alternative to capping the number of teams from a conference is to make it an 8-team playoff with 6 autobids. I don't think they'll end up doing that, though.
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RE: Does the playoff expand to 12 now?
(07-31-2021 01:26 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The 12-team format will probably go through eventually, even though there's been a lot of commentary about how dubious it was for Sankey to be in on this proposal while hiding the fact that OU and UT were only weeks away from getting and accepting invitations to join the SEC.

The obvious alternative to capping the number of teams from a conference is to make it an 8-team playoff with 6 autobids. I don't think they'll end up doing that, though.

If I had a say in the matter, which I don't, what you proposed for a playoff is what I would want. Gives the most access and puts the conferences on as close to equal ground as we could ever hope for... that's why I know it will never happen 03-lmfao
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Does the playoff expand to 12 now?
(07-31-2021 11:33 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  Would the SEC be okay with a cap of 4 teams from a conference in a 12 team CFP? I seen 3 proposed somewhere on here and that was an automatic won't happen, but 4 teams is 1/3 of the playoff field, still allows for the opportunity to have all 4 semifinalists, and would leave 3 at-large bids for other conferences and ND. I'm gonna guess no, but hopefully the committee would be wise enough to limit the conferences unofficially to 4 teams without there being an actual rule limiting it.


I had posted that cap suggestion in another thread and you are correct that 3 ultimately wouldn’t fly, but it’s a negotiation and 3 “makes sense” from a competitive balance standpoint.

Limiting to 4 achieves what I think would be palatable to all parties. No one conference should ever have more than half of the at-large bids on offer.

And it disincentivizes SEC from going after more marquee names.

So on second thought, the cap might be doomed if SEC, FSU, Clemson, OSU and Michigan are all planning to hook up l8tr. (But even then it is probably worth positive value to keep your regular season SEC 3 vs 5 matchup as playoff-relevant must-see-TV)
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RE: Does the playoff expand to 12 now?
I think these latest moves increase the chance we see the 4 team playoff stay in place for the duration on the contract and possibly beyond.

The SEC seems to have no problem getting their champ into the field of 4. The others have struggled to make the field since it’s inception (the only thing sparing the ACC from being left out is that the playoff era has resembled the 1992-2004 One Dominant ACC Team Era rather than the parity and struggles of 2004-2012).

I don’t see the SEC helping the others get access.
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RE: Does the playoff expand to 12 now?
(08-01-2021 08:44 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think these latest moves increase the chance we see the 4 team playoff stay in place for the duration on the contract and possibly beyond.

The SEC seems to have no problem getting their champ into the field of 4. The others have struggled to make the field since it’s inception (the only thing sparing the ACC from being left out is that the playoff era has resembled the 1992-2004 One Dominant ACC Team Era rather than the parity and struggles of 2004-2012).

I don’t see the SEC helping the others get access.

Stopping it is kind of a cut off your nose to spite your face type move. That's why the Pac looks silly in this. As long as they keep the 6 autobids, Big 12 is going to continue to be strongly for it. Its a big positive for the G5. SEC will continue to support it.

And its good for everyone in the Big 10 and ACC not named Ohio St., Michigan, Clemson or Florida St.
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