There are rumors floating around that the B1G may be looking to respond to the SEC's move by adding USC and a group of other P12 schools. Should the ACC consider the same, either by trying to beat the B1G to the punch or by considering leftovers?

Hypothetically, what if the ACC added USC, Stanford, Washington, Oregon and Arizona, along with Notre Dame? The twenty team league could have one division. Each school could play 9 conference games with four permanent opponents, and a six year rotation in which each school plays all other schools home and home.

Basketball would likely require the establishment of four divisions. Alternatively, the west coast schools could establish a separate conference (or simply preserve the P12) for basketball and Olympic sports.

Simple answer

YES!!!

Yes they should but the California Schools have an agreement that if they leave the Pac 12, they all go together. So you have to take Cal and Stanford with USC and UCLA.

Really I think you'd have to make them a pod of 6 to get them to jump. 4 Cali plus Oregon and Washington. Then we'd need 4 more to fill out to 24 so they'd have a division of 6.

I don't think the 4-team CFP with P4 champs only is going to come about so assume ND doesn't Join.

So, something like:
West
Wash, Ore, Cal, Stan, USC UCLA
North
BC, Cuse, Pitt, Louisville, WVU, Cincinnati
East
VT, UVA, UNC, Duke, NCSU, WF
South
Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami, TCU, Houston

Unless of course you want to make a division out of the B12 left overs too.
So, something like:
West
Wash, Ore, Cal, Stan, USC UCLA
North
BC, Cuse, Pitt, Louisville, VT, UVA
South
UNC, Duke, Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami
South West
NCSU, WF, TCU, Houston, OSU, Kansas

**** yes!

By my estimate, if the ACC were to add USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Notre Dame, and Navy (football-only), it roughly doubles the media rights (est. $43M/yr each), which bumps the total ACC payout above $50M. That's not including ACCN subscriptions on the West Coast (so maybe another $5M?)

There's still no catching the SEC - not even the Big Ten will be able to keep up now - but at some point you get close enough where it doesn't matter.

If you care, here's how I got my numbers:
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/...ac-12.html

No. Maybe a scheduling agreement to get some west coast exposure.

(07-29-2021 11:33 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  No. Maybe a scheduling agreement to get some west coast exposure.

Thinking small is what has gotten the ACC in their current predicament.

Honestly, ACC members should be looking at joining the Pac 12. The PAC 12 has their TV package rights coming up in a couple years, and the ACC has them coming up in 2036. Nothing means more money to conferences than being able to take their product on the open market.

There's a much better chance for big money if eight schools can figure out a way to get out of the ACC and join the PAC.

(07-29-2021 01:13 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  Honestly, ACC members should be looking at joining the Pac 12. The PAC 12 has their TV package rights coming up in a couple years, and the ACC has them coming up in 2036. Nothing means more money to conferences than being able to take their product on the open market.

There's a much better chance for big money if eight schools can figure out a way to get out of the ACC and join the PAC.

One thing this whole OU and Texas saga has shown, is GoR seems to have teeth. At minimum it scares schools enough not to get too froggy.

(07-29-2021 01:14 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 01:13 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  Honestly, ACC members should be looking at joining the Pac 12. The PAC 12 has their TV package rights coming up in a couple years, and the ACC has them coming up in 2036. Nothing means more money to conferences than being able to take their product on the open market.

There's a much better chance for big money if eight schools can figure out a way to get out of the ACC and join the PAC.

One thing this whole OU and Texas saga has shown, is GoR seems to have teeth. At minimum it scares schools enough not to get too froggy.

Yep, it appears to. It will be interesting to see however if its challenged over this Big 12 move. It doesn't appear the Big 12 is just going to roll over, and I guarantee that TX and OU have no intention of playing in the Big 12 until 2025.

It will probably be settled without anything that actually undermines the GOR, but there is some chance that we'd get some clarity if it actually does end up challenged. We haven't seen that yet.

If a conference that is just relying on a GOR to hold it together......it is a failed conference.

That is the long and the short of it. Any conference just relying on that will regret it eventually.

(07-29-2021 01:41 PM)nole Wrote:  If a conference that is just relying on a GOR to hold it together......it is a failed conference.

That is the long and the short of it. Any conference just relying on that will regret it eventually.

Well that is the only thing holding the ACC together in reality.

(07-29-2021 02:10 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 01:41 PM)nole Wrote:  If a conference that is just relying on a GOR to hold it together......it is a failed conference.

That is the long and the short of it. Any conference just relying on that will regret it eventually.

Well that is the only thing holding the ACC together in reality.

Well, that and not having anywhere else to go right now.

(07-29-2021 01:41 PM)nole Wrote:  If a conference that is just relying on a GOR to hold it together......it is a failed conference.

That is the long and the short of it. Any conference just relying on that will regret it eventually.

Well every league not named the SEC or Big Ten is a failed conference...

(07-29-2021 07:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 02:10 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 01:41 PM)nole Wrote:  If a conference that is just relying on a GOR to hold it together......it is a failed conference.

That is the long and the short of it. Any conference just relying on that will regret it eventually.

Well that is the only thing holding the ACC together in reality.

Well, that and not having anywhere else to go right now.

If the ACC did not have a GOR, the B1G would undoubtedly be kicking the tires on ACC schools right now. UNC and UVA would be its most likely targets since 1) neither state has a school in either the SEC or B1G, and 2) these two schools best fit the profile of academically strong state flagships.

(07-29-2021 11:58 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:33 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  No. Maybe a scheduling agreement to get some west coast exposure.

Thinking small is what has gotten the ACC in their current predicament.

Call it what you like but I don't see how this would generate more income for the ACC schools. I don't even see enough money to cover the added expense of sending teams across 4 time zones. I see a lot of burden being placed on athletes traveling vast distance for a 2 hour event.

This feels like the panic mode of the oBE and AAC. "Let's add San Diego State!" The ACC isn't in a great position but we don't need panic mode yet.

(07-28-2021 12:41 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Yes they should but the California Schools have an agreement that if they leave the Pac 12, they all go together. So you have to take Cal and Stanford with USC and UCLA.

Really I think you'd have to make them a pod of 6 to get them to jump. 4 Cali plus Oregon and Washington. Then we'd need 4 more to fill out to 24 so they'd have a division of 6.

I don't think the 4-team CFP with P4 champs only is going to come about so assume ND doesn't Join.

So, something like:
West
Wash, Ore, Cal, Stan, USC UCLA
North
BC, Cuse, Pitt, Louisville, WVU, Cincinnati
East
VT, UVA, UNC, Duke, NCSU, WF
South
Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami, TCU, Houston

Unless of course you want to make a division out of the B12 left overs too.
So, something like:
West
Wash, Ore, Cal, Stan, USC UCLA
North
BC, Cuse, Pitt, Louisville, VT, UVA
South
UNC, Duke, Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami
South West
NCSU, WF, TCU, Houston, OSU, Kansas

For our sins, we are condemned to play NCSU twice a year in basketball? Fair enough.

(07-29-2021 01:13 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  Honestly, ACC members should be looking at joining the Pac 12. The PAC 12 has their TV package rights coming up in a couple years, and the ACC has them coming up in 2036. Nothing means more money to conferences than being able to take their product on the open market.

There's a much better chance for big money if eight schools can figure out a way to get out of the ACC and join the PAC.

I don’t see how the PAC would be better, they have their fair share of problems as well. The SEC or B1G absolutely but not the PAC. The PACN is a bust & their tv contract isn’t much better. Would it really be better being one of a few east coast schools playing in a western conference? Or would it be better to bring a few of them in where the ACCN is actually better & it would allow you to renegotiate the tv contract. With the ‘ninja’ gone the ACC might actually stand a chance against ESPN & no GOR entanglements to worry about.

FSU & Clemson should have broke off with Texas & Oklahoma the last time around & started a new conference. If I remember correctly, this was rumored.


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I think a scheduling alliance might be a good idea. I don't know whether a full merger would be good. I suppose they could do it like in baseball with the American League and the National League. Each league would play their own schedule and playoff within their own league and then a championship game between the ACC league and the PAC 12 League. It might make more money.