(08-02-2021 08:24 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(08-02-2021 03:59 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The ACC's big bowl problem is called Duke, WF, Boston College.

When the SEC looks for a bowl, the bowl knows that the chance of ever getting stuck with Vandy is damn near zero.

When the ACC looks for a bowl the bowl know that is probably a 10-15 % chance to get WF, Duke, or BC.

Because of the small alumni and football fan bases, they can only put so many butts into the seats even if they are 11-1.

You are also dealing with a socio-economic class of alums and fans that don't match regular football fans and in turn many will not change certain holiday plans if that plan is substantially better than going to the Orange or Sugar Bowl. Meaning if a Duke clan has plans to be in Europe at the same time, they are likely not cancelling their trip as a FSU, Clemson, UNC, or VT fan might.

Some consolation…the more that the CFP expands, the value of bowls wane. The ACC always struggled with contracting with top bowls.

I would also point out if the CFP expands to 6, 8, 10 or 12 some of the big name Bowls may jump to hosting those matchups on an annual bassis and the current Bowl system might be transformed to what we see today, However it does appears that the ACC will be in decent position to strengthen Bowl in the next round as the BIG12 may implode or become the new BIG EAST (last in P5).

(08-02-2021 02:45 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-02-2021 02:30 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 08:04 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  ACC should get the Sugar Bowl spot that the Big12 will vacate

Why wouldn't that become an SEC vs. B1G bowl? They may have to drop the Outback bowl or some lower bowl but I don't see why the Sugar wouldn't want the 2 biggest conferences in their bowl.

...because Big Ten #1 is tied into the Rose Bowl and the SEC would want better than Big Ten #2 (or, in reality, #3)?

...the ACC #1 is tied to the Orange Bowl. So why wouldn't they want the B1G #2 or #3 over the ACC #2 or #3?

(08-02-2021 01:26 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-02-2021 12:56 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 04:43 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  There are many components of ACC revenue shortfalls - bad Orange Bowl contract, too many small schools, not enough top 25 match-ups, etc. - but the thing we often think about first is the poorly-negotiated TV contract with ESPN. How much is that one deal costing each ACC team? I dug and calculated and dug some more, and I think I have a reasonable estimate: $6.6M per school, per year.

Here's how I came to that conclusion:
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/...worth.html

Keep in mind that the SEC not only is getting market rate (while the ACC is not), but it also has more T1 match-ups than the ACC thanks to more brand-name teams - so it's a two-sided problem which needs to be attacked from both sides, IMO.

Ok, before I answer this please read the above two post! I think for all the crap folks gave the ACC over the years about not having a TV network....It may be time for some to eat CROW. What I saw last week was what all the SEC and Big12 homers say was going to happen to ACC. However that is not what happened. What DID happen was FOX not cave to OU and basically told them to play Noon games, quit whinning and like it (11AM local) and I also heard that ESPN told Texas that their LHN would not be renewed. So Texas adn OU not wanting to be involved with a conference heading in the wrong direction took their ball and joined the SEC sandbox where they will be able to get the TV money they want.

Boy does Commish John Swofford look way better than Bowlsby. I bet FSU fans are happy they only flirted with the BIG12 and decided not to leave the ACC.

Ok to answer your question...to fix the ACC Contract only a few options can really help until we can reup after 2036.

1. Add Comcast as a carrier for ACC Network in 2021 FB season to cash in.
2. 2021 “look-ins”: we need to cash in.
3. 2026 “look-ins”: we need to cash in.
4. Do not renew the sublicensed agreement for ESPN games to RSN after 2026-27.
--Add 2027-28 games to ACC Network to strengthen inventory. (MFB & MBB)

IMHO if you look at the per-school payouts for fiscal 2020 the ACC is about to move into 3rd place. Something people would have scoffed at a mere five years ago when speaking of the ACC.

In terms of per-school payouts for fiscal 2020:

— Big Ten: $54.3 million
— SEC: $45.5 million
— Big 12: $37 million to $40.5 million
— Pac-12: $33.6 million
— ACC: $30.9 million to $37 million (and $10.8 million to Notre Dame)

Bottomline the ACC will jump to 3rd when Comcast carries the ACC Network! We have come a long way and have to keep fighting the fight, but the foundation for long term success has been accomplished!

What planet are you on?

It boils down to this. The SEC has $15 million a year more than the ACC......BEFORE the SEC expansion. That figure is expected to rise to a $40 million a year revenue gap.


There is NO win in there for Swofford or the ACC. The ACC is falling behind.....and it's getting worse, not better.

Bottom line for FSU is Bowden should've let y'all join the SEC when he had the chance. Unless ESPN decides to handle the buyout you're chained to Tobacco Road and a bunch of Northern schools.

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(08-03-2021 09:13 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-02-2021 02:45 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-02-2021 02:30 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 08:04 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  ACC should get the Sugar Bowl spot that the Big12 will vacate

Why wouldn't that become an SEC vs. B1G bowl? They may have to drop the Outback bowl or some lower bowl but I don't see why the Sugar wouldn't want the 2 biggest conferences in their bowl.

...because Big Ten #1 is tied into the Rose Bowl and the SEC would want better than Big Ten #2 (or, in reality, #3)?

...the ACC #1 is tied to the Orange Bowl. So why wouldn't they want the B1G #2 or #3 over the ACC #2 or #3?

I assume the choice is between ACC #1 or #2 (moving the ACC tie-in to the Sugar) versus B1G #2 or #3 (but keeping the Rose for them).

(08-03-2021 09:49 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-03-2021 09:13 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-02-2021 02:45 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-02-2021 02:30 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 08:04 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  ACC should get the Sugar Bowl spot that the Big12 will vacate

Why wouldn't that become an SEC vs. B1G bowl? They may have to drop the Outback bowl or some lower bowl but I don't see why the Sugar wouldn't want the 2 biggest conferences in their bowl.

...because Big Ten #1 is tied into the Rose Bowl and the SEC would want better than Big Ten #2 (or, in reality, #3)?

...the ACC #1 is tied to the Orange Bowl. So why wouldn't they want the B1G #2 or #3 over the ACC #2 or #3?

I assume the choice is between ACC #1 or #2 (moving the ACC tie-in to the Sugar) versus B1G #2 or #3 (but keeping the Rose for them).

Since the ACC is supposed to own the Orange Bowl now. That could be a possibility.

(08-02-2021 12:56 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  IMHO if you look at the per-school payouts for fiscal 2020 the ACC is about to move into 3rd place. Something people would have scoffed at a mere five years ago when speaking of the ACC.

In terms of per-school payouts for fiscal 2020:

— Big Ten: $54.3 million
— SEC: $45.5 million
— Big 12: $37 million to $40.5 million
— Pac-12: $33.6 million
— ACC: $30.9 million to $37 million (and $10.8 million to Notre Dame)

Bottomline the ACC will jump to 3rd when Comcast carries the ACC Network! We have come a long way and have to keep fighting the fight, but the foundation for long term success has been accomplished!

You make a good point. The ACC Network launched just in time for Covid-19. We haven't yet had the chance to register the difference having our own network can make.

In the short term a Comcast deal should help. Cable television is not a growth technology, though. There was much talk about being ready for the streaming era when the ACC Network was announced. We will see how ready people are.

Ultimately, network partners need to protect their investment and promote the games. Meanwhile, the ACC needs a divisionless format to get more from its matchups. Perhaps the collapse of the NCAA helps this happen.

(07-27-2021 08:04 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  ACC should get the Sugar Bowl spot that the Big12 will vacate

Not sure about that. I can see the Sugar being a BIG #1 vs SEC #1 (after playoffs)
In fact if the BIG8 stays together I can see a scenario in the next Bowl Contract that

Goes like this:
Sugar BIG#1 vs SEC#1
Rose Pac#1 vs BIG#2 or BIG8
Orange ACC#1 or ND vs SEC#2 or BIG8

With OU & Texas gone from the BIG12 I do not see the Sugar re upping with the new BIG8.. Again that is if the PAC doesn't add any of the BIG8 teams between now and 2025.

(08-03-2021 03:02 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 08:04 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  ACC should get the Sugar Bowl spot that the Big12 will vacate

Not sure about that. I can see the Sugar being a BIG #1 vs SEC #1 (after playoffs)
In fact if the BIG8 stays together I can see a scenario in the next Bowl Contract that

Goes like this:
Sugar BIG#1 vs SEC#1
Rose Pac#1 vs BIG#2 or BIG8
Orange ACC#1 or ND vs SEC#2 or BIG8

With OU & Texas gone from the BIG12 I do not see the Sugar re upping with the new BIG8.. Again that is if the PAC doesn't add any of the BIG8 teams between now and 2025.

Huge assumption on your part that the Big Ten would be willing to put the Sugar Bowl ahead of the Rose Bowl, imo.

(08-03-2021 03:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-03-2021 03:02 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 08:04 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  ACC should get the Sugar Bowl spot that the Big12 will vacate

Not sure about that. I can see the Sugar being a BIG #1 vs SEC #1 (after playoffs)
In fact if the BIG8 stays together I can see a scenario in the next Bowl Contract that

Goes like this:
Sugar BIG#1 vs SEC#1
Rose Pac#1 vs BIG#2 or BIG8
Orange ACC#1 or ND vs SEC#2 or BIG8

With OU & Texas gone from the BIG12 I do not see the Sugar re upping with the new BIG8.. Again that is if the PAC doesn't add any of the BIG8 teams between now and 2025.

Huge assumption on your part that the Big Ten would be willing to put the Sugar Bowl ahead of the Rose Bowl, imo.

Well do you think the ROSE BOWL would DUMP the PAC for SEC#1 vs BIG#1? I am guessing probably not...

Of Course with the expansion coming this might all be for not anyway as the Sugar, Rose, OB ect, might be hosting annual playoff games so the Las Vegas bowl with SEC vs BIG might be the best "non playoff bowl"...Time will tell, IIWII!

(08-03-2021 04:15 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(08-03-2021 03:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-03-2021 03:02 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 08:04 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  ACC should get the Sugar Bowl spot that the Big12 will vacate

Not sure about that. I can see the Sugar being a BIG #1 vs SEC #1 (after playoffs)
In fact if the BIG8 stays together I can see a scenario in the next Bowl Contract that

Goes like this:
Sugar BIG#1 vs SEC#1
Rose Pac#1 vs BIG#2 or BIG8
Orange ACC#1 or ND vs SEC#2 or BIG8

With OU & Texas gone from the BIG12 I do not see the Sugar re upping with the new BIG8.. Again that is if the PAC doesn't add any of the BIG8 teams between now and 2025.

Huge assumption on your part that the Big Ten would be willing to put the Sugar Bowl ahead of the Rose Bowl, imo.

Well do you think the ROSE BOWL would DUMP the PAC for s SEC#1 vs BIG#1? I am guessing probably not...

Of Course with the expansion coming this might all be for not anyway as the Sugar, Rose, OB ect, might be hosting annual playoff games so the Las Vegas bowl wiith SEC vs BIG might be the best "non playoff bowl"...Time will tell, IIWII!

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