(07-26-2021 09:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  To answer the original question: they want Miami to perform at the level of the 2002 Hurricanes. I truly believe NIL helps no other team more than the Canes. The ACC needs them to step it up and be the flagship football program that it is capable of being.

The original plan was FSU-Clemson or Miami-VaTech battling it out for the title game every season. Louisville and Carolina should be in the mix as well. That is a conference that should be making more dough. Better Performance -> More Money.

My team is currently carrying their weight and then some. The question: is yours?

I disagree about Miami. Miami has always had money problems. It's their dirty little secret.

I think NIL helps Louisville and Syracuse more than anyone else in the conference because they have money which means they can probably raise NIL endorsements from their communities. Syracuse needs to be willing to spend their money though. They've gone cheap on coaches salaries in the past.

Louisville has no problems spending their money and doing what's necessary to attract recruits. NIL might help Louisville more than anyone.

FWIW, Jack Swarbrick, AD at ND, has said that he sees the needs of private schools and public schools as being fundamentally different. He predicted that private schools would eventually need to form a separate league to help them take care of priorities.

Something to keep in mind while we ponder Wake's fate. If Swarbrick was serious at all, now is the time for him to start discussing that future with Duke, Wake, Syracuse, and Miami--and maybe Vanderbilt, USC and Stanford as well.

(07-31-2021 06:23 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  FWIW, Jack Swarbrick, AD at ND, has said that he sees the needs of private schools and public schools as being fundamentally different. He predicted that private schools would eventually need to form a separate league to help them take care of priorities.

Something to keep in mind while we ponder Wake's fate. If Swarbrick was serious at all, now is the time for him to start discussing that future with Duke, Wake, Syracuse, and Miami--and maybe Vanderbilt, USC and Stanford as well.

...and Boston College, Baylor, TCU, Northwestern, etc. Could be a pretty decent league, TBH.

(07-31-2021 06:23 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  FWIW, Jack Swarbrick, AD at ND, has said that he sees the needs of private schools and public schools as being fundamentally different. He predicted that private schools would eventually need to form a separate league to help them take care of priorities.

Something to keep in mind while we ponder Wake's fate. If Swarbrick was serious at all, now is the time for him to start discussing that future with Duke, Wake, Syracuse, and Miami--and maybe Vanderbilt, USC and Stanford as well.

Eastern Magnolia Football League:

Kansas, Vandy, Duke, WF, Army, Navy, Tulane, BC, Rice, SMU (Yes Kansas is public, but they really are bad).

They could resolve to play with real student athletes and people would watch. People would watch any money game they play to see if they can keep the score close like App State and Michigan.

(07-31-2021 07:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 06:23 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  FWIW, Jack Swarbrick, AD at ND, has said that he sees the needs of private schools and public schools as being fundamentally different. He predicted that private schools would eventually need to form a separate league to help them take care of priorities.

Something to keep in mind while we ponder Wake's fate. If Swarbrick was serious at all, now is the time for him to start discussing that future with Duke, Wake, Syracuse, and Miami--and maybe Vanderbilt, USC and Stanford as well.

Eastern Magnolia Football League:

Kansas, Vandy, Duke, WF, Army, Navy, Tulane, BC, Rice, SMU (Yes Kansas is public, but they really are bad).

With KU why snub the Air Force Academy? With Tulsa you are at 12.

(07-31-2021 07:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 07:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 06:23 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  FWIW, Jack Swarbrick, AD at ND, has said that he sees the needs of private schools and public schools as being fundamentally different. He predicted that private schools would eventually need to form a separate league to help them take care of priorities.

Something to keep in mind while we ponder Wake's fate. If Swarbrick was serious at all, now is the time for him to start discussing that future with Duke, Wake, Syracuse, and Miami--and maybe Vanderbilt, USC and Stanford as well.

Eastern Magnolia Football League:

Kansas, Vandy, Duke, WF, Army, Navy, Tulane, BC, Rice, SMU (Yes Kansas is public, but they really are bad).

With KU why snub the Air Force Academy? With Tulsa you are at 12.

Fine by me.

I don’t see all the private schools dropping out with NIL. We’ve seen in the past private schools are willing to become semi-pro teams in large markets. SMU, Miami, and Southern Cal come to mind immediately. With NIL you might see a small private school land a recruit they never would have before.

(07-24-2021 12:58 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:54 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:43 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:41 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Let the record show no contrary opinions from those teams were lodged.

Here is a question. How many votes does it take to nullify the GOR? Or is it all 15 schools?

Why does it have to be nullified? Moving from the ACC to the SEC is moving from the side of Disney that doesn't pay you well to the side of Disney that does pay you well. It's an in-house move with the rights holder.

Yep. In my opinion, ESPN wants to keep Fox(Big 10) out of NC, Va, and or Ga. They really just want the ACC to get ND and one other, then the have 32 teams under control with giant football brands and populace states for their networks.


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This I agree with. If ESPN can get ND under it's umbrella that may pack in the rest of realignment for a long while (In regards to ESPN). NBC is the outlier in all of this. They have one cfb team, with very little interest in getting more. With nbcsports shutting down I wonder what their commitment are to sports (NFL they still have).

NBC sports network is shutting down and moving its content to the USA network. Cable TV is shrinking while internet streaming is growing. NBC has Peacock which is its streaming service. It is just starting up. NBC strategy is a little hard to figure out right now but they have the global IP streaming service Peacock ready and looking for content. Whether they decide to put more sports on the service is anybody's guess but the price of content is going to be going up. There are huge companies like Apple and Amazon who really need content for their streaming services which means that there could be a big bidding war for the next college contracts coming up.

(07-24-2021 10:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Posing a question here: the ACC is going to have to come up with some sort of rules regarding NIL and the like correct? As diverse as the ACC membership is, I find it hard to believe that everyone is going to see eye to eye. If the conference veers toward more rigid standards would members who wanted more freedom have a legal claim to challenge the GOR and exit fees?

I doubt they will have rules regarding NIL because it is so new, nobody knows what impact it is going to have. Maybe in a few years they might but i doubt they will do anything this year or next.

(07-25-2021 03:52 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  At the end of the day, the ACC is hanging on because of Clemson and FSU. If they decide to leave for another conference then the ACC falls apart. Y’all better start thinking about how to keep those schools happy or you’ll end up like the B12. If I were Clemson and FSU I’d be asking for 1.5 shares of money or I’ll call the B10.

Apparently, Virginia and North Carolina are the targets for both the B1G and SEC. I have read this several times and it does make sense in that both of these flagship schools for their states are new markets. Clemson shares the state with South Carolina and FSU shares things with Florida. I do get it though that Clemson and FSU are the leaders in football.

(07-26-2021 09:24 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 10:48 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  You idiots who keep adding UConns name to the equation like they are relevant. The ACC and the new commissioner isn’t going to take a school that doesn’t bring NOTHING to the table especially when he would like the conference to prioritize football first and foremost which UConn can not even do. So please stop bringing them up as if they have a shot in hell of joining.

I agree in principal. The reality is, that if ESPN is willing to make it financially attractive we would take a community college tomorrow. Whoever ESPN is willing to pay for is who we will add.

i have to agree that UConn is probably not the first priority for the ACC but if ESPN will pay up then sure the ACC will take Uconn.

(07-27-2021 01:01 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 09:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  To answer the original question: they want Miami to perform at the level of the 2002 Hurricanes. I truly believe NIL helps no other team more than the Canes. The ACC needs them to step it up and be the flagship football program that it is capable of being.

The original plan was FSU-Clemson or Miami-VaTech battling it out for the title game every season. Louisville and Carolina should be in the mix as well. That is a conference that should be making more dough. Better Performance -> More Money.

My team is currently carrying their weight and then some. The question: is yours?

I disagree about Miami. Miami has always had money problems. It's their dirty little secret.

I think NIL helps Louisville and Syracuse more than anyone else in the conference because they have money which means they can probably raise NIL endorsements from their communities. Syracuse needs to be willing to spend their money though. They've gone cheap on coaches salaries in the past.

Louisville has no problems spending their money and doing what's necessary to attract recruits. NIL might help Louisville more than anyone.

I am not sure about whether NIL will help Miami. It will certainly help Syracuse. Syracuse has a highly ranked broadcasting program and social media is right up their alley. It will be interesting to see how Syracuse leverages this but the Athletic Director used to be the No. 2 man at ESPN plus there are a lot of close relationships with companies so i think things will go well.

(07-31-2021 06:23 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  FWIW, Jack Swarbrick, AD at ND, has said that he sees the needs of private schools and public schools as being fundamentally different. He predicted that private schools would eventually need to form a separate league to help them take care of priorities.

Something to keep in mind while we ponder Wake's fate. If Swarbrick was serious at all, now is the time for him to start discussing that future with Duke, Wake, Syracuse, and Miami--and maybe Vanderbilt, USC and Stanford as well.

Very true about the private vs public school divide. They do have different motivations and goals.

(07-31-2021 10:53 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 10:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Posing a question here: the ACC is going to have to come up with some sort of rules regarding NIL and the like correct? As diverse as the ACC membership is, I find it hard to believe that everyone is going to see eye to eye. If the conference veers toward more rigid standards would members who wanted more freedom have a legal claim to challenge the GOR and exit fees?

I doubt they will have rules regarding NIL because it is so new, nobody knows what impact it is going to have. Maybe in a few years they might but i doubt they will do anything this year or next.

Just wait until some athletes figure out the NIL money takes away their Grants. The tax man cometh. Unintended consequences.

I know at 20, I didn't know crap about taxes but NIL is not going to be kind to some of these kids.

(07-26-2021 09:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  To answer the original question: they want Miami to perform at the level of the 2002 Hurricanes. I truly believe NIL helps no other team more than the Canes. The ACC needs them to step it up and be the flagship football program that it is capable of being.

The original plan was FSU-Clemson or Miami-VaTech battling it out for the title game every season. Louisville and Carolina should be in the mix as well. That is a conference that should be making more dough. Better Performance -> More Money.

My team is currently carrying their weight and then some. The question: is yours?

Louisville hit Rock bottom with the lay down crap Bobby Petrino pulled on Us. He should have been fired early on in that season. Last year was a stunner with all the covid infections on Our team, lack of practice, canceling games but it was everywhere. And the unrest in Our city last year didn't help either. Just hope We can get back on track this season and the whole conference has a lot better showing. Fingers crossed, We all do good.

(07-31-2021 06:23 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  FWIW, Jack Swarbrick, AD at ND, has said that he sees the needs of private schools and public schools as being fundamentally different. He predicted that private schools would eventually need to form a separate league to help them take care of priorities. [...] If Swarbrick was serious at all, now is the time for him to start discussing that future with Duke, Wake, Syracuse, and Miami--and maybe Vanderbilt, USC and Stanford as well.

(07-31-2021 06:39 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ...and Boston College, Baylor, TCU, Northwestern, etc. Could be a pretty decent league, TBH.

I think so, too. Far-flung, but I'd watch those games.

Swarbrick has a chance to lead. Direction from his perch could help solve 'relegation' questions that are on many minds--'What about B12 leftovers? What about Duke?'--as larger public schools weigh options.

Swarbrick did take a lead role in crafting the new 12-team playoff model. The champion of any new private-school association could qualify for a spot in that arrangement.

(07-31-2021 06:23 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  ... If Swarbrick was serious at all, now is the time for him to start discussing that future with Duke, Wake, Syracuse, and Miami--and maybe Vanderbilt, USC and Stanford as well.

(07-31-2021 07:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Eastern Magnolia Football League:
Kansas, Vandy, Duke, WF, Army, Navy, Tulane, BC, Rice, SMU (Yes Kansas is public, but they really are bad).

They could resolve to play with real student athletes and people would watch. People would watch any money game they play to see if they can keep the score close like App State and Michigan.

I'm glad you mentioned Rice, Tulane, and the service academies. They deserve a respectable landing spot. Sure, maybe these old warriors would just be cannon fodder every year for Stanford, Syracuse, Miami, and ND, but I'd enjoy seeing them line up.

Hard-to-place schools like BYU and SMU could finally get a home, too.

I hope Swarbrick wasn't just fanning his eye teeth. He's in a unique position to make something happen for private schools if he wants.