Once the P5 inevitably split their football and men’s hoops off to do their own thing, can they leave their Olympic sports behind to compete under the NCAA umbrella?

That'll be something the NCAA will have to work out ... under present rules, if you don't play NCAA Division 1 Basketball, you can't be in NCAA Division 1, though for a handful of sports with national championships including both division 1 and 2, you might be allowed to competed in Division 1 in those sports.

But does the NCAA force the breakaway to cover all sports, or does it surrender, and allow multi-sport non-basketball conferences? That'll be interesting to watch that play out.

I think recent event have killed the NCAA as we’ve known it.

(07-25-2021 05:42 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I think recent event have killed the NCAA as we’ve known it.

I think I agree in some respects, but title IX will still require the presence of certain sports that the P4/5 won’t necessarily be able to support without the presence of other conferences. Without looking, I’m thinking about soccer, lax and field hockey.

On the men’s side, Ice Hockey will also be difficult in a breakaway scenario. I’m not sure Hockey East, the ECAC, NCHC, etc give two ***** about Big Ten hockey, but Big Ten hockey can’t survive without those other conferences. I’d guess there would be issues for men’s soccer and lax as well.

(07-25-2021 05:42 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I think recent event have killed the NCAA as we’ve known it.

The thing is, the majority of athletic departments around the country do not run big money programs, and in an institution controlled by member votes, a breakaway of the big money programs means a restructure to meet the needs of the remaining programs.

Without the flood of money from the NCAA Tourney, it would involve a massive streamlining, so it would definitely not be "the NCAA as we've known it" ... it would be more like a big brother to the NAIA.

Because a breakaway wouldn't be sanctioned before it broke away, but would require a structure for handling the non-semipro sports at the participating schools to get them to sign up, the most likely initial set-up is for the breakaway to set up a collective organization which has a section that oversees the non-semipro sports that parallels the NCAA.

That also means the breakaway won't have to be involved in managing the wrenching changes that would be coming to the NCAA as it transitions to a dues-supported organization with some championship costs offset by media revenues, rather than rather than a primarily media revenue funded organization.

But given that transition to being a dues-supported organization, it seems likely that over the longer term it will eventually be open for that non-semipro section of the breakaway to be merged back into the NCAA.

(07-26-2021 04:45 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 05:42 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I think recent event have killed the NCAA as we’ve known it.

The thing is, the majority of athletic departments around the country do not run big money programs, and in an institution controlled by member votes, a breakaway of the big money programs means a restructure to meet the needs of the remaining programs.

Without the flood of money from the NCAA Tourney, it would involve a massive streamlining, so it would definitely not be "the NCAA as we've known it" ... it would be more like a big brother to the NAIA.

Because a breakaway wouldn't be sanctioned before it broke away, but would require a structure for handling the non-semipro sports at the participating schools to get them to sign up, the most likely initial set-up is for the breakaway to set up a collective organization which has a section that oversees the non-semipro sports that parallels the NCAA.

That also means the breakaway won't have to be involved in managing the wrenching changes that would be coming to the NCAA as it transitions to a dues-supported organization with some championship costs offset by media revenues, rather than rather than a primarily media revenue funded organization.

But given that transition to being a dues-supported organization, it seems likely that over the longer term it will eventually be open for that non-semipro section of the breakaway to be merged back into the NCAA.

Football and men's and maybe women's basketball break away. I suspect everything else stays together.

(07-26-2021 10:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  ... Football and men's and maybe women's basketball break away. I suspect everything else stays together. ...

That depends on how the breakaway plays out ... under the status quo NCAA rules, entire Division 1 conferences certainly can breakaway their FBS football programs, as long as they field three NCAA Division 1 team sports for men and women ...

... but those sports must include Men's and Women's Basketball.

So it would require the NCAA accepting the breakaway in advance and changing their rules to suit. And remember, the NCAA is not a corporation, but a one member, one vote membership organization ... "the NCAA calmly accepting" means "a voting majority of the NCAA FBS, FCS and NFS Division 1 members excluded from the breakaway calmly accepting ...".

Even corporate strategies can surprise us at times, and that reaction is a lot less predictable than a corporate strategy.