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RE: Did some people see this coming?
(07-29-2021 10:39 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: UTSA has nfl caliber players. I don’t get why anyone would rather watch a CAA team
This is a pretty common fallacy. JMU has 12 current NFL players. UTSA has 5.
I imagine if you look at CUSA NFL vs CAA NFL, you wouldn't find a huge difference. The reality is outside the P5, there are very few NFL players on anybody's roster.
I'm not saying that CUSA on the whole doesn't have better players. Just saying that you're not likely to find the next NFL star while watching ODU play CAA or CUSA opponents.
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
(07-29-2021 11:05 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote: The lack of parking lots across for tailgating has ZILCH to do with leaving the CAA. ZILCH. It is 100% to do with building new buildings on campus.
Absolutely correct.
Further, our last CAA schedule was played in 2012
Our attendance decline began noticeably after the 2016 season, the last one in which we put a quality product on the field, or at least an exciting one that won games.
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
(07-29-2021 11:05 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote: The lack of parking lots across for tailgating has ZILCH to do with leaving the CAA. ZILCH. It is 100% to do with building new buildings on campus.
Absolutely. But it did contribute to the decline of our awesome pregame tailgate environment. That would have happened in any conference though.
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
(07-29-2021 11:41 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:39 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: UTSA has nfl caliber players. I don’t get why anyone would rather watch a CAA team
This is a pretty common fallacy. JMU has 12 current NFL players. UTSA has 5.
I imagine if you look at CUSA NFL vs CAA NFL, you wouldn't find a huge difference. The reality is outside the P5, there are very few NFL players on anybody's roster.
I'm not saying that CUSA on the whole doesn't have better players. Just saying that you're not likely to find the next NFL star while watching ODU play CAA or CUSA opponents.
You will if Heinicke has a breakout year!
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
(07-29-2021 12:43 PM)ODBlue Wrote: (07-29-2021 11:41 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:39 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: UTSA has nfl caliber players. I don’t get why anyone would rather watch a CAA team
This is a pretty common fallacy. JMU has 12 current NFL players. UTSA has 5.
I imagine if you look at CUSA NFL vs CAA NFL, you wouldn't find a huge difference. The reality is outside the P5, there are very few NFL players on anybody's roster.
I'm not saying that CUSA on the whole doesn't have better players. Just saying that you're not likely to find the next NFL star while watching ODU play CAA or CUSA opponents.
You will if Heinicke has a breakout year!
Travis Fulgham and Zach Pascal are a lot of fun to watch too
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
(07-29-2021 08:23 AM)ODBlue Wrote: (07-28-2021 12:33 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: (07-28-2021 12:08 PM)monarx Wrote: (07-28-2021 10:59 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: (07-28-2021 10:50 AM)monarx Wrote: They do for me. In fact, the tailgates, crowds, flyovers and game day atmosphere were even better in the CAA days. Unless you mean SEC games as big boy football, to which CUSA cant compare.
Do what? It was like a glorified high school football game.
Not from what I recall. There were more surface parking lots on campus and every space was full with people tailgating and having fun. The Monarch March was still happening and people would line up to cheer the guys on. Bands were playing on Kaufman Mall, and campus was totally energized. The student sections were full. And the noise, that place got loud! Remember the 12th Monarchs and the ForeHeads? We laughed about doing the wave on offense, but hey, we were doing the wave. Almost every game had some type of promotion or flyover. Every game was sold out. It was a blast. Gameday was way more fun back then. Maybe its because we were winning, maybe because it was new, maybe because we had more money to spend on luxuries to enhance the experience... but to me its not even close.
The entire paragragh happens at all home games. (Except student sections which are always hit or miss and especially hit or miss on noon games)
Not in 2019. The crowds were smaller, tailgate lots less crowded, and by the end of the game, the stands were almost empty. Va. Tech can pull in a crowd, but if you compare the crowds from CAA games to CUSA games, the CAA crowds were better.
We SUCKED in 2019. In the CAA we were winning the conference. The difference is winning. I'd rather get to winning in C-USA than the CAA.
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
(07-29-2021 10:56 AM)monarx Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:39 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: UTSA has nfl caliber players. I don’t get why anyone would rather watch a CAA team
Because I root FOR the Monarchs, not against the other teams. Who we play is largely irrelevant except for two factors rivalries/bragging rights and how beating the team affects our brand and post season chances. WM is a rivalry game with pride on the line. Sure UTSA is an "FBS" win, but most folks dont even know they play football, much less have a decent FBS squad. And FCS players make it to the NFL as well. You could argue being in CUSA allows us to bring the VTs, UVAs etc to Norfolk, and that is awesome. To me, thats the biggest benefit of the conference.
But wouldnt you want to watch better players play for the Monarchs?
https://jmusports.com/news/2020/9/7/foot...eason.aspx
And how many of these are any good? Ive never heard of many of them.
I couldn't find when researching….CUSA has 14 draft oicks over the past 2 years. How does that compare ro caa?
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
(07-29-2021 11:41 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:39 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: UTSA has nfl caliber players. I don’t get why anyone would rather watch a CAA team
This is a pretty common fallacy. JMU has 12 current NFL players. UTSA has 5.
I imagine if you look at CUSA NFL vs CAA NFL, you wouldn't find a huge difference. The reality is outside the P5, there are very few NFL players on anybody's roster.
I'm not saying that CUSA on the whole doesn't have better players. Just saying that you're not likely to find the next NFL star while watching ODU play CAA or CUSA opponents.
How many does Elon, Delaware, William and Mary have?
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
(07-29-2021 05:43 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: (07-29-2021 11:41 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:39 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: UTSA has nfl caliber players. I don’t get why anyone would rather watch a CAA team
This is a pretty common fallacy. JMU has 12 current NFL players. UTSA has 5.
I imagine if you look at CUSA NFL vs CAA NFL, you wouldn't find a huge difference. The reality is outside the P5, there are very few NFL players on anybody's roster.
I'm not saying that CUSA on the whole doesn't have better players. Just saying that you're not likely to find the next NFL star while watching ODU play CAA or CUSA opponents.
How many does Elon, Delaware, William and Mary have?
Thank you, look to the future….I’m excited
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
(07-29-2021 05:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:56 AM)monarx Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:39 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: UTSA has nfl caliber players. I don’t get why anyone would rather watch a CAA team
Because I root FOR the Monarchs, not against the other teams. Who we play is largely irrelevant except for two factors rivalries/bragging rights and how beating the team affects our brand and post season chances. WM is a rivalry game with pride on the line. Sure UTSA is an "FBS" win, but most folks dont even know they play football, much less have a decent FBS squad. And FCS players make it to the NFL as well. You could argue being in CUSA allows us to bring the VTs, UVAs etc to Norfolk, and that is awesome. To me, thats the biggest benefit of the conference.
But wouldnt you want to watch better players play for the Monarchs?
https://jmusports.com/news/2020/9/7/foot...eason.aspx
And how many of these are any good? Ive never heard of many of them.
I couldn't find when researching….CUSA has 14 draft oicks over the past 2 years. How does that compare ro caa?
If talent level was the determining factor in which sports I watch, I would just watch pro sports. I am a college sports fan because I value many things equally or more than whether players are a bit more talented. I am certainly not going to say that CAA provides a better experience than CUSA on the whole, but aspects of it were definitely more enjoyable, and CUSA is not a giant improvement to me either.
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
(07-29-2021 08:57 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: (07-29-2021 05:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:56 AM)monarx Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:39 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: UTSA has nfl caliber players. I don’t get why anyone would rather watch a CAA team
Because I root FOR the Monarchs, not against the other teams. Who we play is largely irrelevant except for two factors rivalries/bragging rights and how beating the team affects our brand and post season chances. WM is a rivalry game with pride on the line. Sure UTSA is an "FBS" win, but most folks dont even know they play football, much less have a decent FBS squad. And FCS players make it to the NFL as well. You could argue being in CUSA allows us to bring the VTs, UVAs etc to Norfolk, and that is awesome. To me, thats the biggest benefit of the conference.
But wouldnt you want to watch better players play for the Monarchs?
https://jmusports.com/news/2020/9/7/foot...eason.aspx
And how many of these are any good? Ive never heard of many of them.
I couldn't find when researching….CUSA has 14 draft oicks over the past 2 years. How does that compare ro caa?
If talent level was the determining factor in which sports I watch, I would just watch pro sports. I am a college sports fan because I value many things equally or more than whether players are a bit more talented. I am certainly not going to say that CAA provides a better experience than CUSA on the whole, but aspects of it were definitely more enjoyable, and CUSA is not a giant improvement to me either.
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Are you saying you would support the basketball team the same if they were D3 playing Christopher Newport and VA Wesleyan?
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
(07-30-2021 07:55 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: (07-29-2021 08:57 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: (07-29-2021 05:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:56 AM)monarx Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:39 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: UTSA has nfl caliber players. I don’t get why anyone would rather watch a CAA team
Because I root FOR the Monarchs, not against the other teams. Who we play is largely irrelevant except for two factors rivalries/bragging rights and how beating the team affects our brand and post season chances. WM is a rivalry game with pride on the line. Sure UTSA is an "FBS" win, but most folks dont even know they play football, much less have a decent FBS squad. And FCS players make it to the NFL as well. You could argue being in CUSA allows us to bring the VTs, UVAs etc to Norfolk, and that is awesome. To me, thats the biggest benefit of the conference.
But wouldnt you want to watch better players play for the Monarchs?
https://jmusports.com/news/2020/9/7/foot...eason.aspx
And how many of these are any good? Ive never heard of many of them.
I couldn't find when researching….CUSA has 14 draft oicks over the past 2 years. How does that compare ro caa?
If talent level was the determining factor in which sports I watch, I would just watch pro sports. I am a college sports fan because I value many things equally or more than whether players are a bit more talented. I am certainly not going to say that CAA provides a better experience than CUSA on the whole, but aspects of it were definitely more enjoyable, and CUSA is not a giant improvement to me either.
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Are you saying you would support the basketball team the same if they were D3 playing Christopher Newport and VA Wesleyan?
I would because I love the Monarchs. But it wouldn’t be as much fun because I want to see us play similar schools to us and beat some “names” along the way. The rivalries come from our large state school peers like VCU, JMU, GMU, ECU, Charlotte, Towson, Marshall etc. But that’s a different argument than gameday experience or level of support. The good thing about the CAA was it gave us both… until VCU and GMU left.
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
(07-30-2021 07:55 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: (07-29-2021 08:57 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: (07-29-2021 05:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:56 AM)monarx Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:39 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: UTSA has nfl caliber players. I don’t get why anyone would rather watch a CAA team
Because I root FOR the Monarchs, not against the other teams. Who we play is largely irrelevant except for two factors rivalries/bragging rights and how beating the team affects our brand and post season chances. WM is a rivalry game with pride on the line. Sure UTSA is an "FBS" win, but most folks dont even know they play football, much less have a decent FBS squad. And FCS players make it to the NFL as well. You could argue being in CUSA allows us to bring the VTs, UVAs etc to Norfolk, and that is awesome. To me, thats the biggest benefit of the conference.
But wouldnt you want to watch better players play for the Monarchs?
https://jmusports.com/news/2020/9/7/foot...eason.aspx
And how many of these are any good? Ive never heard of many of them.
I couldn't find when researching….CUSA has 14 draft oicks over the past 2 years. How does that compare ro caa?
If talent level was the determining factor in which sports I watch, I would just watch pro sports. I am a college sports fan because I value many things equally or more than whether players are a bit more talented. I am certainly not going to say that CAA provides a better experience than CUSA on the whole, but aspects of it were definitely more enjoyable, and CUSA is not a giant improvement to me either.
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Are you saying you would support the basketball team the same if they were D3 playing Christopher Newport and VA Wesleyan?
Well, I first saw the Monarchs when they were Div II and they played a great, fast paced brand of basketball, averaging about 100 points a game, in a sold out about 5000 seat Fieldhouse playing the likes of Randolph Macon and Morgan States of the world. And it was a total blast.
Those days were so much more fun then now, even playing in the great arena. I would take playing in the CAA any day over playing these teams we play now. I'm talking basketball, could care less about football.
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
(07-30-2021 07:55 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: (07-29-2021 08:57 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: (07-29-2021 05:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:56 AM)monarx Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:39 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: UTSA has nfl caliber players. I don’t get why anyone would rather watch a CAA team
Because I root FOR the Monarchs, not against the other teams. Who we play is largely irrelevant except for two factors rivalries/bragging rights and how beating the team affects our brand and post season chances. WM is a rivalry game with pride on the line. Sure UTSA is an "FBS" win, but most folks dont even know they play football, much less have a decent FBS squad. And FCS players make it to the NFL as well. You could argue being in CUSA allows us to bring the VTs, UVAs etc to Norfolk, and that is awesome. To me, thats the biggest benefit of the conference.
But wouldnt you want to watch better players play for the Monarchs?
https://jmusports.com/news/2020/9/7/foot...eason.aspx
And how many of these are any good? Ive never heard of many of them.
I couldn't find when researching….CUSA has 14 draft oicks over the past 2 years. How does that compare ro caa?
If talent level was the determining factor in which sports I watch, I would just watch pro sports. I am a college sports fan because I value many things equally or more than whether players are a bit more talented. I am certainly not going to say that CAA provides a better experience than CUSA on the whole, but aspects of it were definitely more enjoyable, and CUSA is not a giant improvement to me either.
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Are you saying you would support the basketball team the same if they were D3 playing Christopher Newport and VA Wesleyan?
That's not really a valid comparison. D3 basketball doesn't offer the things that I value when compared to ODU basketball. ODU has a legit chance to compete in NCAAT, it lacks the atmosphere, it lacks the excitement, and the quality of play difference between D3 and D1 mid major is much greater that that between CUSA football and CAA Football. Basketball also doesn't have the situation where you are playing every season knowing you will never have a chance to compete in a playoff with the big boys. G5 football is purgatory.
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
What it comes down to is this... Please, Wood, dont screw this up. When the dust settles ODU needs to be a better position, not worse.
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
(07-30-2021 09:27 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: (07-30-2021 07:55 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: (07-29-2021 08:57 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: (07-29-2021 05:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:56 AM)monarx Wrote: Because I root FOR the Monarchs, not against the other teams. Who we play is largely irrelevant except for two factors rivalries/bragging rights and how beating the team affects our brand and post season chances. WM is a rivalry game with pride on the line. Sure UTSA is an "FBS" win, but most folks dont even know they play football, much less have a decent FBS squad. And FCS players make it to the NFL as well. You could argue being in CUSA allows us to bring the VTs, UVAs etc to Norfolk, and that is awesome. To me, thats the biggest benefit of the conference.
But wouldnt you want to watch better players play for the Monarchs?
https://jmusports.com/news/2020/9/7/foot...eason.aspx
And how many of these are any good? Ive never heard of many of them.
I couldn't find when researching….CUSA has 14 draft oicks over the past 2 years. How does that compare ro caa?
If talent level was the determining factor in which sports I watch, I would just watch pro sports. I am a college sports fan because I value many things equally or more than whether players are a bit more talented. I am certainly not going to say that CAA provides a better experience than CUSA on the whole, but aspects of it were definitely more enjoyable, and CUSA is not a giant improvement to me either.
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Are you saying you would support the basketball team the same if they were D3 playing Christopher Newport and VA Wesleyan?
That's not really a valid comparison. D3 basketball doesn't offer the things that I value when compared to ODU basketball. ODU has a legit chance to compete in NCAAT, it lacks the atmosphere, it lacks the excitement, and the quality of play difference between D3 and D1 mid major is much greater that that between CUSA football and CAA Football. Basketball also doesn't have the situation where you are playing every season knowing you will never have a chance to compete in a playoff with the big boys. G5 football is purgatory.
Thats
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I dont think I agree with the difference in talent. And if there is a larger gap, its not my much. But you dont get the same atmosphere, etc in lower leagues bc less people support it except in very rare circumstances.
We have nice things bc of the level we compete at. Christopher Newport doesnt.
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
(07-30-2021 08:22 AM)monarx Wrote: (07-30-2021 07:55 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: (07-29-2021 08:57 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: (07-29-2021 05:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:56 AM)monarx Wrote: Because I root FOR the Monarchs, not against the other teams. Who we play is largely irrelevant except for two factors rivalries/bragging rights and how beating the team affects our brand and post season chances. WM is a rivalry game with pride on the line. Sure UTSA is an "FBS" win, but most folks dont even know they play football, much less have a decent FBS squad. And FCS players make it to the NFL as well. You could argue being in CUSA allows us to bring the VTs, UVAs etc to Norfolk, and that is awesome. To me, thats the biggest benefit of the conference.
But wouldnt you want to watch better players play for the Monarchs?
https://jmusports.com/news/2020/9/7/foot...eason.aspx
And how many of these are any good? Ive never heard of many of them.
I couldn't find when researching….CUSA has 14 draft oicks over the past 2 years. How does that compare ro caa?
If talent level was the determining factor in which sports I watch, I would just watch pro sports. I am a college sports fan because I value many things equally or more than whether players are a bit more talented. I am certainly not going to say that CAA provides a better experience than CUSA on the whole, but aspects of it were definitely more enjoyable, and CUSA is not a giant improvement to me either.
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Are you saying you would support the basketball team the same if they were D3 playing Christopher Newport and VA Wesleyan?
I would because I love the Monarchs. But it wouldn’t be as much fun because I want to see us play similar schools to us and beat some “names” along the way. The rivalries come from our large state school peers like VCU, JMU, GMU, ECU, Charlotte, Towson, Marshall etc. But that’s a different argument than gameday experience or level of support. The good thing about the CAA was it gave us both… until VCU and GMU left.
Far enough, but you are in the minority.
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
(07-29-2021 08:16 PM)ArmyROTC86 Wrote: (07-29-2021 05:43 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: (07-29-2021 11:41 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: (07-29-2021 10:39 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: UTSA has nfl caliber players. I don’t get why anyone would rather watch a CAA team
This is a pretty common fallacy. JMU has 12 current NFL players. UTSA has 5.
I imagine if you look at CUSA NFL vs CAA NFL, you wouldn't find a huge difference. The reality is outside the P5, there are very few NFL players on anybody's roster.
I'm not saying that CUSA on the whole doesn't have better players. Just saying that you're not likely to find the next NFL star while watching ODU play CAA or CUSA opponents.
How many does Elon, Delaware, William and Mary have?
Thank you, look to the future….I’m excited
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RE: Did some people see this coming?
Back to that CAA vs CUSA talent. I'd love to look at the names for comparison, including oversized JMU on the CAA list. I'm going to guess that CUSA drafted players really stand out and UDFAs probably do as well. Perhaps it is indeed fallacy, but it is just my strong guess based on watching so many CUSA names absolutely balling out on Sundays.
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