There is one path back for the Big 12:

The Big 12 refugees come back and save the day.

Led by Texas A&M, who should be pissed about how they've been treated, followed by Nebraska, Colorado and Missouri.

A B12 with
CO, NE, A&M, MO, KS, KSU, ISU, TTCH, TCU, BAY, OSU and BYU to replace WV, would be a formidable conference, solid across the board (sit down KU) in football and basketball.

That conf would demand almost as much as the B12 with TX and OU, without the hastle of cow-towing to TX. They may even get a better negotiated rate without Longhorn network nonsense thrown around.

Even more, A&M and NE would be the new kings of that castle, and would compete for Nat Playoff spots regularly, unlike in the SEC. They would also remove some of the shine from the SEC and may even prompt the SEC to want to raid the ACC for NC ST or FSU to get to 16. Popcorn.

While this new compact B12 sits back and collects its checks.

CU is the ONLY one they can tempt! Everyone else would take a pay cut!

would you willingly take a 90% pay cut? Neither would A&M

(07-24-2021 12:26 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  There is one path back for the Big 12:

The Big 12 refugees come back and save the day.

Led by Texas A&M, who should be pissed about how they've been treated, followed by Nebraska, Colorado and Missouri.

A B12 with
CO, NE, A&M, MO, KS, KSU, ISU, TTCH, TCU, BAY, OSU and BYU to replace WV, would be a formidable conference, solid across the board (sit down KU) in football and basketball.

That conf would demand almost as much as the B12 with TX and OU, without the hastle of cow-towing to TX. They may even get a better negotiated rate without Longhorn network nonsense thrown around.

Even more, A&M and NE would be the new kings of that castle, and would compete for Nat Playoff spots regularly, unlike in the SEC. They would also remove some of the shine from the SEC and may even prompt the SEC to want to raid the ACC for NC ST or FSU to get to 16. Popcorn.

While this new compact B12 sits back and collects its checks.

One reason why that won’t happen- $$$$$$

The SEC and BIG offer member schools the biggest pay outs in college athletics.

In the case of Texas A&M there is second consideration—recruiting is much easier for SEC schools in the B12. The Aggies aren’t going to voluntarily give up that edge.

This is dumb

We’re not giving up money recruiting and big time games to save the 8 dwarves

Our fans might be unhappy about this but no one is throwing away the SEC to save the L10

No one from The Big Ten, SEC or ACC is jumping to a rebuilt Big 12. That wasn’t happening when Texas and Oklahoma were members. Its certainly not going to happen now.

(07-25-2021 05:25 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:26 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  There is one path back for the Big 12:

The Big 12 refugees come back and save the day.

Led by Texas A&M, who should be pissed about how they've been treated, followed by Nebraska, Colorado and Missouri.

A B12 with
CO, NE, A&M, MO, KS, KSU, ISU, TTCH, TCU, BAY, OSU and BYU to replace WV, would be a formidable conference, solid across the board (sit down KU) in football and basketball.

That conf would demand almost as much as the B12 with TX and OU, without the hastle of cow-towing to TX. They may even get a better negotiated rate without Longhorn network nonsense thrown around.

Even more, A&M and NE would be the new kings of that castle, and would compete for Nat Playoff spots regularly, unlike in the SEC. They would also remove some of the shine from the SEC and may even prompt the SEC to want to raid the ACC for NC ST or FSU to get to 16. Popcorn.

While this new compact B12 sits back and collects its checks.

One reason why that won’t happen- $$$$$$

The SEC and BIG offer member schools the biggest pay outs in college athletics.

In the case of Texas A&M there is second consideration—recruiting is much easier for SEC schools in the B12. The Aggies aren’t going to voluntarily give up that edge.

from this article https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...414405002/

The Big 10 paid out 56 million per school in pre-pandemic 2019
The SEC paid out 45 million
The Big 12 paid out between 38 to 42 million
The ACC paid out 34 million
The PAC 12 paid out 32 million

So based on this I can't see Texas and OU jumping to the SEC for just 3 million more in conference distribution. The SEC must be getting a fat pay raise from ESPN for adding these two teams.

(07-25-2021 08:00 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 05:25 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:26 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  There is one path back for the Big 12:

The Big 12 refugees come back and save the day.

Led by Texas A&M, who should be pissed about how they've been treated, followed by Nebraska, Colorado and Missouri.

A B12 with
CO, NE, A&M, MO, KS, KSU, ISU, TTCH, TCU, BAY, OSU and BYU to replace WV, would be a formidable conference, solid across the board (sit down KU) in football and basketball.

That conf would demand almost as much as the B12 with TX and OU, without the hastle of cow-towing to TX. They may even get a better negotiated rate without Longhorn network nonsense thrown around.

Even more, A&M and NE would be the new kings of that castle, and would compete for Nat Playoff spots regularly, unlike in the SEC. They would also remove some of the shine from the SEC and may even prompt the SEC to want to raid the ACC for NC ST or FSU to get to 16. Popcorn.

While this new compact B12 sits back and collects its checks.

One reason why that won’t happen- $$$$$$

The SEC and BIG offer member schools the biggest pay outs in college athletics.

In the case of Texas A&M there is second consideration—recruiting is much easier for SEC schools in the B12. The Aggies aren’t going to voluntarily give up that edge.

from this article https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...414405002/

The Big 10 paid out 56 million per school in pre-pandemic 2019
The SEC paid out 45 million
The Big 12 paid out between 38 to 42 million
The ACC paid out 34 million
The PAC 12 paid out 32 million

So based on this I can't see Texas and OU jumping to the SEC for just 3 million more in conference distribution. The SEC must be getting a fat pay raise from ESPN for adding these two teams.

They will be getting a fat pay raise without them based on moving the CBS games to ESPN/ABC.

(07-25-2021 06:55 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  This is dumb

We’re not giving up money recruiting and big time games to save the 8 dwarves

Our fans might be unhappy about this but no one is throwing away the SEC to save the L10

Indeed. The SEC can take actions that annoy or offend varying members at times over multiple issues. But to react by jumping into a dismal and much less lucrative situation would be foolish.

Some schools have done that and later had big regrets. Recall when Georgia Tech and Tulane were SEC members? And that was an era when such decisions were deemed to have less high-stakes consequences.

(07-24-2021 12:26 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  There is one path back for the Big 12:

The Big 12 refugees come back and save the day.

Led by Texas A&M, who should be pissed about how they've been treated, followed by Nebraska, Colorado and Missouri.

A B12 with
CO, NE, A&M, MO, KS, KSU, ISU, TTCH, TCU, BAY, OSU and BYU to replace WV, would be a formidable conference, solid across the board (sit down KU) in football and basketball.

That conf would demand almost as much as the B12 with TX and OU, without the hastle of cow-towing to TX. They may even get a better negotiated rate without Longhorn network nonsense thrown around.

Even more, A&M and NE would be the new kings of that castle, and would compete for Nat Playoff spots regularly, unlike in the SEC. They would also remove some of the shine from the SEC and may even prompt the SEC to want to raid the ACC for NC ST or FSU to get to 16. Popcorn.

While this new compact B12 sits back and collects its checks.

Nebraska, Colorado, and MO are not coming back. Never ever going to happen.

If I were the king maker of the future BXII I would expand to at least 14 and try to weaken the MWC and AAC to continue to be a top 5 FB conference (and probably in some years compete with the PAC) and still top 6 BB conference. If the 8 stay together this is what, as fictional king maker, would do:

BYU as FB only to weaken Utah. Match that was a BB only invite like St. Louise
CSU to weaken Colorado
Cincinnati
Memphis
Houston
UCF


If Kansas leaves the BXII with 7 then:

BYU as FB only to weaken Utah. Match that with Wichita State
CSU to weaken Colorado
Navy as FB Only
Cincinnati
Memphis
Houston
UCF






Either of those moves would keep the B12 separated enough from the MWC and AAC to be no question about their place in the hierarchy