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(08-18-2021 07:55 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  The ACC, SEC, etc. should not be playing money games against FCS opponents. I believe that in the very near future, our "money games" will be against teams in the Sun Belt, Conference USA, etc. There will be fewer of these to go around, and many FCS football programs will either have to have substantial financial support from the community, cut expenses, or fold. An alternative for FCS programs would be to cut the number of athletic programs offered. I'm sure that ETSU is preparing contingency plans for this reality.

Were you around during the Stanton-Mullins era? Their answer was, of course, to cut the big one - FOOTBALL. That unleashed a firestorm, resulting in the reinstatement of football as you know. Now, back then, Stanton predicted that many other FCS schools would follow the ETSU model which ended up being the opposite outcome. Who knows the outcome of this next realignment, money consolidation will look like, but whatever it is, the small folks will end up being hammered as usual. Can we look forward again to having real student-athletes playing college football at our level or is that gone forever?
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Trey Williams, JC Press, April 15, 2007:

President has lacked coherent sports message

If you ever watched Charlie Brown attempt to kick a football with Lucy holding, you have a good ideal of how East Tennessee State football fans feel about trying to field a program while dealing with university president Paul Stanton.

Actually, it's a good metaphor for trying to run an athletic department under Stanton. The athletic directors under him have left a trail of tears, which current AD Dave Mullins surely considered when Stanton blindsided him with the news of potentially bringing back football last summer.

Stanton seemed to decide out of a clear blue June sky that ETSU would probably be better off if it brought back football --- at least that's what he said.

It took not having football to realize what it was worth, he said. I think we're going to go for it he added.

Was all the hubbub --- the task force, the stadium renderings, and favorable student polls --- just one long 10-month march toward "I told you so" from Dr. Stanton, who amputated football in 2003? Did he really believe ETSU students would vote in favor of taxing themselves for a product that wouldn't be on the field until most of them have dropped out or graduated?

Who knows, maybe he did.

But the fact that football broke 40 percent surprised some of us. It's often said that students will vote down anything this side of a cure for cancer if it's going to raise their tuition. In this case, essentially nothing was going to be raising their tuition for the next three years.

Were students given the same choice to deny two other such athletics fees that have been implemented since football was dropped? Were they given the chance to vote on adding men's soccer?

The football vote was closer than the one held when students rejected the notion of paying for the Center for Physical Activity. They got it anyway -- and love it, by the way.

The CPA is one of many jewels the Stanton era has produced. You've got to give it to the guy when you think about the pharmacy school, the medical school, library, digital media center, etc. He's done a lot for ETSU.

But to suggest the athletics department has done anything more than flounder on Stanton's watch requires blue-and-gold-colored glasses......and floundering sure seems like an overstatement.

The way football was killed, some two months after signing 15-20 players to scholarships, some of them locals, underscores the lack of vision under Stanton, and the way football coach Paul Hamilton was done during the process drastically hurt their cause when trying to get the votes to remain in the Southern Conference.

Hamilton has deep ties to The Citadel, Appalachian State, Wofford, Furman, and at least at the time, apparently at Elon. That would've been more than enough votes to secure the Bucs' SoCon pink slip.
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Architects' designs are about the only real facility additions that have materialized before Stanton's eyes. Indeed, as one sportswriter said, it's become an athletic department of renderings."
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These folks are really worried about travel costs ha, ha. This NCAA convention in November — what’s in it for the little NCAA folks?



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BYU, UCF, Cincinnati, Houston considered top candidates for Big 12 expansion, sources confirm.


Who will move to the AAC and on down the line?
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(09-02-2021 06:44 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  ESPN:
BYU, UCF, Cincinnati, Houston considered top candidates for Big 12 expansion, sources confirm.


Who will move to the AAC and on down the line?

We could find out fairly soon, sounds like the Big 12 could send invites out as early as tomorrow.

I don't think the American is done losing teams, either. What does Navy think about all these defections? Could the loss of three noteworthy football teams (Houston hasn't been good in a few years, but there's still plenty of potential there) drive them back to independence? They might wait to see what the conference does in response to the losses, but they're significant losses on the football side, which is all Navy cares about.

I could see a lot of different scenarios. The one saving grace they have is a relatively good TV deal that should make them an attractive destination if they want to try to do the football/basketball split like the old Big East, roping in Boise State and San Diego State for football and trying to get a VCU and/or Dayton in for hoops. That comes with its own set of problems and could get messy down the road, but it could also produce a stronger conference in terms of quality of product. They could also just raid the western flank of CUSA and/or the Sun Belt to create space for themselves vs the other G5 conferences. Not convinced the western flank of the Sun Belt is all that appealing, tbh.

The only one that feels like a mortal lock to me is UAB. New stadium, really good football program, won't embarrass the league in MBB, and a couple of years ago there were reports that the UA trustees would support a push for the American. The planets are aligned for the Blazers.
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As to the title of this thread...............and after yesterday's result in Music City............I'm sure there will be invitations to that SEC thing in the inboxes of Scott Carter and Dr. Noland, right?

Of course.........we'll have to up our games in lacrosse and swimming, but that's doable, right?
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Brett McMurphy: Sun Belt looking to add two teams.

Sounds like UT-Arlington and UALR are leaving and being replaced with football schools.

I don't know if we're ready football-wise, but we should still be all over this. If you don't ask, you don't get.
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(09-09-2021 10:43 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  Brett McMurphy: Sun Belt looking to add two teams.

Sounds like UT-Arlington and UALR are leaving and being replaced with football schools.

I don't know if we're ready football-wise, but we should still be all over this. If you don't ask, you don't get.

If James Madison would now be interested — it could be JMU and Eastern Kentucky. Unfortunately we don’t have the stadium size, plus the MONEY commitment, obviously, is the overwhelming, stark reality. But, it sure would be nice if ETSU and UTC (they have the stadium) could be at a place to seriously check this out.
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(09-10-2021 08:54 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(09-09-2021 10:43 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  Brett McMurphy: Sun Belt looking to add two teams.

Sounds like UT-Arlington and UALR are leaving and being replaced with football schools.

I don't know if we're ready football-wise, but we should still be all over this. If you don't ask, you don't get.

If James Madison would now be interested — it could be JMU and Eastern Kentucky. Unfortunately we don’t have the stadium size, plus the MONEY commitment, obviously, is the overwhelming, stark reality. But, it sure would be nice if ETSU and UTC (they have the stadium) could be at a place to seriously check this out.

Deep down, I know you're right. But I also know that if we don't go now, it might be really, really difficult to move up in the future as conferences are settling into their "endgame," especially the SEC. If the Pac-12 and Big Ten expand, or something happens with the ACC and Notre Dame, then there might be one more round, but I don't think it will be nearly as big as this one.

Frankly, with the options they will have, I expect JMU to move up, and they will likely announce it in the next two weeks or so. I suspect someone will finally look at North Dakota State and possibly South Dakota State with them (SDSU is behind NDSU on cash flow but has great facilities and good teams). After that, it's kind of up in the air. EKU? Central Arkansas? Jacksonville State? I don't think ETSU is that far behind those schools, so maybe we're a better fit for, say, CUSA, than one of those schools? I'm not in the meeting rooms for CUSA so I can't say specifically what they'd be looking for.
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(09-13-2021 02:05 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 08:54 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(09-09-2021 10:43 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  Brett McMurphy: Sun Belt looking to add two teams.

Sounds like UT-Arlington and UALR are leaving and being replaced with football schools.

I don't know if we're ready football-wise, but we should still be all over this. If you don't ask, you don't get.

If James Madison would now be interested — it could be JMU and Eastern Kentucky. Unfortunately we don’t have the stadium size, plus the MONEY commitment, obviously, is the overwhelming, stark reality. But, it sure would be nice if ETSU and UTC (they have the stadium) could be at a place to seriously check this out.

Deep down, I know you're right. But I also know that if we don't go now, it might be really, really difficult to move up in the future as conferences are settling into their "endgame," especially the SEC. If the Pac-12 and Big Ten expand, or something happens with the ACC and Notre Dame, then there might be one more round, but I don't think it will be nearly as big as this one.

Frankly, with the options they will have, I expect JMU to move up, and they will likely announce it in the next two weeks or so. I suspect someone will finally look at North Dakota State and possibly South Dakota State with them (SDSU is behind NDSU on cash flow but has great facilities and good teams). After that, it's kind of up in the air. EKU? Central Arkansas? Jacksonville State? I don't think ETSU is that far behind those schools, so maybe we're a better fit for, say, CUSA, than one of those schools? I'm not in the meeting rooms for CUSA so I can't say specifically what they'd be looking for.

Would love to see us lobby C-USA or Sun Belt. If ever there is a time to move up, this may be that time. G5 conferences being raided by the P5 conferences so there are numerous holes to fill as things shake out. Our basketball would be a nice addition to either of those conferences, and our football is at a level now that it's not been at in many, many years. Some adjustments would be necessary including increasing stadium capacity however if ETSU has any sort of aspirations to ever, EVER move up to a group of 5 type conference, the current times and environment are probably as conducive for that as they ever will be.
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(09-13-2021 02:05 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 08:54 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(09-09-2021 10:43 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  Brett McMurphy: Sun Belt looking to add two teams.

Sounds like UT-Arlington and UALR are leaving and being replaced with football schools.

I don't know if we're ready football-wise, but we should still be all over this. If you don't ask, you don't get.

If James Madison would now be interested — it could be JMU and Eastern Kentucky. Unfortunately we don’t have the stadium size, plus the MONEY commitment, obviously, is the overwhelming, stark reality. But, it sure would be nice if ETSU and UTC (they have the stadium) could be at a place to seriously check this out.

Deep down, I know you're right. But I also know that if we don't go now, it might be really, really difficult to move up in the future as conferences are settling into their "endgame," especially the SEC. If the Pac-12 and Big Ten expand, or something happens with the ACC and Notre Dame, then there might be one more round, but I don't think it will be nearly as big as this one.

Frankly, with the options they will have, I expect JMU to move up, and they will likely announce it in the next two weeks or so. I suspect someone will finally look at North Dakota State and possibly South Dakota State with them (SDSU is behind NDSU on cash flow but has great facilities and good teams). After that, it's kind of up in the air. EKU? Central Arkansas? Jacksonville State? I don't think ETSU is that far behind those schools, so maybe we're a better fit for, say, CUSA, than one of those schools? I'm not in the meeting rooms for CUSA so I can't say specifically what they'd be looking for.

My dream preference would be CUSA along with App State, Ga Southern, and UTC moving there. But, there’s talk of App State going to the AAC if East Carolina has no objections. Then there’s Coastal Carolina and CUSA. Remember CUSA took Old Dominion and Charlotte while in their football infancy. A new time — anything can happen rapidly when in the old days, it took years for a program to “earn its stripes” in order to get an invite up. But, our options are limited unless there’s a rather massive reshuffle along more logical geographic lines.
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App St deserves a spot in the AAC. Their basketball is the pits but football is solid and a great atmosphere. I have always been hoping for ETSU to move up basketball wise one day before I die. But I just can't get excited about either the C-USA or Sun Belt. We can kiss that short drive to Asheville goodbye and say hello to a Frisco, TX (CUSA) or Pensacola. FL (Sun Belt). Plus are these two conferences really any better than the SoCon in basketball? The SoCon has been a solid BB league last few years.

Football wise, CUSA/Sun Belt would be a major jump. It would be cool to finally be in a FBS league, but are we ready? Is our stadium ready? Is our bank account ready? Are the fans ready for some tough losses for a while? The college landscape is changing daily. Is it time for ETSU to try to get into the shuffle?
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Not to mention that if we did move up in football, we would literally have to double the size of our stadium. I don’t see us having the budget or funds for that. And then you still have to average 15,000 fans per game. We’re nowhere near that yet.
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(09-13-2021 09:27 PM)Efan Wrote:  Not to mention that if we did move up in football, we would literally have to double the size of our stadium. I don’t see us having the budget or funds for that. And then you still have to average 15,000 fans per game. We’re nowhere near that yet.

Wonder who is paying for that Coastal Carolina football program, a four year school since 1974, a smaller state school with significantly less academic offerings than ETSU?
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(09-13-2021 09:27 PM)Efan Wrote:  Not to mention that if we did move up in football, we would literally have to double the size of our stadium. I don’t see us having the budget or funds for that. And then you still have to average 15,000 fans per game. We’re nowhere near that yet.

Wonder who is paying for that Coastal Carolina football program, a four year school since 1974, a smaller state school with significantly less academic offerings than ETSU?
Robert Brooks, CEO of Hooters, and an anonymous $95 million donor, (they have since ended the relationship with that donor) and Joe Moglia former CEO of Ameritrade.

Or the above is the rumors about their finances.
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(09-13-2021 09:27 PM)Efan Wrote:  Not to mention that if we did move up in football, we would literally have to double the size of our stadium. I don’t see us having the budget or funds for that. And then you still have to average 15,000 fans per game. We’re nowhere near that yet.

No one enforces the 15,000 average attendance rule. As long as your stadium is up to snuff, no one cares. And that stadium expansion is a challenge for ETSU! But I don't think it's an insurmountable challenge, and it's not something the school would have to have out there in the public space before a move up.
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multiple industry sources tell Extra Points that Austin Peay is expected to join the ASUN, with an official announcement potentially coming as soon as Monday.

This move would give the ASUN six FCS football playing members


SoCon should poach Murray St and Belmont from the OVC.
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(09-16-2021 01:49 PM)etsuBucsFan1988 Wrote:  Mid-Major Madness Retweeted
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multiple industry sources tell Extra Points that Austin Peay is expected to join the ASUN, with an official announcement potentially coming as soon as Monday.

This move would give the ASUN six FCS football playing members


SoCon should poach Murray St and Belmont from the OVC.

I did NOT see that one coming. Not sure what APSU's endgame is. I don't think this gets them any closer to FBS if that's the ultimate goal.

I would be over the moon if we added Murray State and Belmont, but I think Murray State still has eyes for the Missouri Valley. Adding Belmont alone might be kind of weird, someone would always have to have a night off in scheduling, but maybe that's not the worst thing in the world. No need to force 12 for the sake of having 12.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, I don't think the SoCon must do anything at this point. But if the opportunity presents itself, we should look into adding schools that can improve the quality of either football or men's hoops. The opportunity appears to have presented itself with the dire state of affairs in the OVC.
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(09-16-2021 01:49 PM)etsuBucsFan1988 Wrote:  Mid-Major Madness Retweeted
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multiple industry sources tell Extra Points that Austin Peay is expected to join the ASUN, with an official announcement potentially coming as soon as Monday.

This move would give the ASUN six FCS football playing members


SoCon should poach Murray St and Belmont from the OVC.

I did NOT see that one coming. Not sure what APSU's endgame is. I don't think this gets them any closer to FBS if that's the ultimate goal.

I would be over the moon if we added Murray State and Belmont, but I think Murray State still has eyes for the Missouri Valley. Adding Belmont alone might be kind of weird, someone would always have to have a night off in scheduling, but maybe that's not the worst thing in the world. No need to force 12 for the sake of having 12.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, I don't think the SoCon must do anything at this point. But if the opportunity presents itself, we should look into adding schools that can improve the quality of either football or men's hoops. The opportunity appears to have presented itself with the dire state of affairs in the OVC.

Again — has ETSU, UTC, and maybe WCU been approached with this new ASUN football idea? Basketball would take a hit with that. And, the opponents on the football schedule would be less recognizable and not increase home attendance. Realistically, who can the SoCon add in both football and basketball that would help the conference? Anything from the Big South would be of no help. TN Tech would be of no help. Murray State? Not exactly in the footprint. Bringing up a DII like West Georgia? FCS football and a one bid basketball league gains nothing by just adding people. Ten is a good overall number. Nine is a good football scheduling number. Why Belmont making it eleven, unless we could add VCU to make it 12, ha. People sought the SoCon in the old days.
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