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RE: Realignment
(Yesterday 09:00 AM)freshtop Wrote:  I know I am biased, but I think ESPN would offer a very mild increase to the per team payout to add WKU to the MAC if that becomes an option. We seem to draw respectable ratings (usually known for a high powered passing offense, people like watching high scoring games), and our basketball rights are usually worth a little as well (usually have some marquee home games in OOC). Probably not enough to offset splitting CFB Playoff payouts, but enough to at least warrant a discussion.

oh i agree with this 100% i was bummed when WKU did not come to the MAC, maybe someday lol
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https://theathletic.com/2826426/2021/09/...roup-of-5/

If you have Athletic you can read this. This writer does not see any MAC programs moving because of the tremendous subsidies that most of the school athletic programs have to stay afloat
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(Yesterday 01:39 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 12:53 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 09:42 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 09:04 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  The MAC taking in a 2-4 CUSA schools to kill off CUSA is totally different than having to accept UConn/UMass FB only, even if the CUSA schools may move on in a few years.

Sure is. Taking UConn/UMass FB-only on the tems of the old Temple/UMass FB deal would bring benefits to Kent State, while raiding CUSA for two or four footloose schools looking for a safe port in the storm and then looking at how they can move on as fast as possible is just more mouths to feed from the same ESPN money.

Where is someone like MT going to go at that point Bruce?

"At that point" is lifting a lot of weight ... it's a scenario based on a foundation of rumor and speculation with no solid reporting, with some pieces long odds and no piece any better than a coin toss, so the combined probability of it happening is fairly low.

But if the worst case for CUSA is being raided for four by the AAC, and Marshall, ODU and one more school plus JMU going to a 14/16 SBC, CUSA is down to seven, and they add NMSU and are at eight full time members. So at that point allocating CUSA schools to the MAC is not about serving any need of the MAC, it's about making a worst-than-worst case scenario because a conference collapsing is more dramatic and drama is more fun.

Quote: ESPN money I believe would negotiate up as the MAC is at the end of its contract.

But WHY would it "negotiate up" on a per school basis? It doesn't substantially change the value of MACtion, it doesn't make the MAC a sometime NCAA at-large conference. Where is the value add? You believing it because you enjoy imagining surprisiing conference realignment scenarios is not going to get the MAC Presidents on board.

In case you haven't been paying attention to WKU/MT they recruit in basketball at a level well beyond most programs and would contend for the MAC basketball title. They are the only combo potentially available to the MAC that could raise the bar in basketball.

AAC (Rice, UNT, UAB, Charlotte)
CUSA (USM, Marshall, ODU, JMU)
MWC (UTEP, UTSA)

That would leave CUSA with 5 (LaTech, WKU, MT, FAU, FIU) without a decent FCS upgrade available. MAC could take 4 of the 5 and effectively close out the conference.

It reduces the number of FBS conferences from 10 to 9 and that in of itself is more leverage.

With the money the MWC is received in its last renegotiation (currently $42 million) up from $19 million the marketplace for a G5 deal moving forward is in the $3 to $4 million range most likely anyways. Adding WKU might push the MAC deal toward the higher end of the options.

The question I would ask is would adding WKU make it a better basketball conference? I'd argue it would enough to make the addition worthwhile.
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Post: #184
RE: Realignment
(Yesterday 09:51 AM)cmufanatic Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:00 AM)freshtop Wrote:  I know I am biased, but I think ESPN would offer a very mild increase to the per team payout to add WKU to the MAC if that becomes an option. We seem to draw respectable ratings (usually known for a high powered passing offense, people like watching high scoring games), and our basketball rights are usually worth a little as well (usually have some marquee home games in OOC). Probably not enough to offset splitting CFB Playoff payouts, but enough to at least warrant a discussion.

oh i agree with this 100% i was bummed when WKU did not come to the MAC, maybe someday lol

I was skeptical at the time as I wanted the MAC to go East but now I think being a force in the Midwest is a better option.

Going to 14 with Illinois St and WKU would elevate MAC basketball. Higher NET ratings for its champion, better seeds in the NCAA/NIT. Might just push the MAC over the line to become par with the MVC in regards to NCAA/NIT.

With regards to the Dakota additions I didn't see how they could move up the football enough to make it worth while. MAC FB post season access won't change with the Dakota schools. G5 ball is G5 ball unless you have multiple P5 candidates like the AAC had.

Basketball is more responsive to conference strength. Higher seeds for its top teams.

If the MWC/SBC are moving to 14+ the per school money split is kind of moot since all the money split rules will be changed in the CFP with everyone having larger membership. This is my thought if CUSA is carved up, the MAC might as well jump in if it can get WKU, MT or Charlotte to help in basketball.
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(09-12-2021 08:57 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Of course you could invite NDSU and UMass as FB only. Would limit the impact of travel and NDSU is good. Hopefully Bell and company are turning UMass around from the despair of the 2019. This showed we have a heart beat and worth watching.[Image: E_DJKqmXoAELtgd?format=jpg&name=small]

Why not bring NDSU, SDSU, and Montana? Personally, I believe Montana could go to the Mountain West and have success in two to three years. That place as an FBS School would be fun to watch.
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(Yesterday 12:47 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  That would leave CUSA with 5 (LaTech, WKU, MT, FAU, FIU) without a decent FCS upgrade available. MAC could take 4 of the 5 and effectively close out the conference.

I don't see how this would help the MAC.
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(Yesterday 02:16 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-12-2021 08:57 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Of course you could invite NDSU and UMass as FB only. Would limit the impact of travel and NDSU is good. Hopefully Bell and company are turning UMass around from the despair of the 2019. This showed we have a heart beat and worth watching.[Image: E_DJKqmXoAELtgd?format=jpg&name=small]

Why not bring NDSU, SDSU, and Montana? Personally, I believe Montana could go to the Mountain West and have success in two to three years. That place as an FBS School would be fun to watch.

yes, would love the Grizz in the MAC along with the NDSU and SDSU
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RE: Realignment
(Yesterday 01:07 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:51 AM)cmufanatic Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:00 AM)freshtop Wrote:  I know I am biased, but I think ESPN would offer a very mild increase to the per team payout to add WKU to the MAC if that becomes an option. We seem to draw respectable ratings (usually known for a high powered passing offense, people like watching high scoring games), and our basketball rights are usually worth a little as well (usually have some marquee home games in OOC). Probably not enough to offset splitting CFB Playoff payouts, but enough to at least warrant a discussion.

oh i agree with this 100% i was bummed when WKU did not come to the MAC, maybe someday lol

I was skeptical at the time as I wanted the MAC to go East but now I think being a force in the Midwest is a better option.

Going to 14 with Illinois St and WKU would elevate MAC basketball. Higher NET ratings for its champion, better seeds in the NCAA/NIT. Might just push the MAC over the line to become par with the MVC in regards to NCAA/NIT.

With regards to the Dakota additions I didn't see how they could move up the football enough to make it worth while. MAC FB post season access won't change with the Dakota schools. G5 ball is G5 ball unless you have multiple P5 candidates like the AAC had.

Basketball is more responsive to conference strength. Higher seeds for its top teams.

If the MWC/SBC are moving to 14+ the per school money split is kind of moot since all the money split rules will be changed in the CFP with everyone having larger membership. This is my thought if CUSA is carved up, the MAC might as well jump in if it can get WKU, MT or Charlotte to help in basketball.
great points i just dont think Ill St is ready to jump to FBS football. I think the dakota schools and montana bring name recognition, i think would help some in the attendance dept, and i think bring more tv dollars then an Ill St would. I am a big fan of WKU though, i like them a lot, was bummed when they landed in USA and not MAC
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Post: #189
RE: Realignment
(Yesterday 03:17 PM)cmufanatic Wrote:  
(Yesterday 01:07 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:51 AM)cmufanatic Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:00 AM)freshtop Wrote:  I know I am biased, but I think ESPN would offer a very mild increase to the per team payout to add WKU to the MAC if that becomes an option. We seem to draw respectable ratings (usually known for a high powered passing offense, people like watching high scoring games), and our basketball rights are usually worth a little as well (usually have some marquee home games in OOC). Probably not enough to offset splitting CFB Playoff payouts, but enough to at least warrant a discussion.

oh i agree with this 100% i was bummed when WKU did not come to the MAC, maybe someday lol

I was skeptical at the time as I wanted the MAC to go East but now I think being a force in the Midwest is a better option.

Going to 14 with Illinois St and WKU would elevate MAC basketball. Higher NET ratings for its champion, better seeds in the NCAA/NIT. Might just push the MAC over the line to become par with the MVC in regards to NCAA/NIT.

With regards to the Dakota additions I didn't see how they could move up the football enough to make it worth while. MAC FB post season access won't change with the Dakota schools. G5 ball is G5 ball unless you have multiple P5 candidates like the AAC had.

Basketball is more responsive to conference strength. Higher seeds for its top teams.

If the MWC/SBC are moving to 14+ the per school money split is kind of moot since all the money split rules will be changed in the CFP with everyone having larger membership. This is my thought if CUSA is carved up, the MAC might as well jump in if it can get WKU, MT or Charlotte to help in basketball.
great points i just dont think Ill St is ready to jump to FBS football. I think the dakota schools and montana bring name recognition, i think would help some in the attendance dept, and i think bring more tv dollars then an Ill St would. I am a big fan of WKU though, i like them a lot, was bummed when they landed in USA and not MAC

A school's home attendance is nice to have but not a primary factor when selecting teams. Unless that attendance is significant like 60k.

WKU has been in the SBC before so they won't want to return there with their tail between their legs. Marshall has done MAC/CUSA so going to the SBC is alright with them.
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(Yesterday 09:00 AM)freshtop Wrote:  I know I am biased, but I think ESPN would offer a very mild increase to the per team payout to add WKU to the MAC if that becomes an option. We seem to draw respectable ratings (usually known for a high powered passing offense, people like watching high scoring games), and our basketball rights are usually worth a little as well (usually have some marquee home games in OOC).

I don't see the pair including WKU that increases the value of #MACtion games by 20%+. It is the same number of midweek games, after all ... the extra games in the November inventory are Saturday games.

Maybe an improvement in the value of MAC MBB, but that would not be enough to make a pro-rata increase in the value of the contract for a single bid conference.

Quote: Probably not enough to offset splitting CFB Playoff payouts, but enough to at least warrant a discussion.

So I expect it would be a drop in direct media contract money per school even before splitting the CFP money.
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