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(08-16-2021 02:24 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  which college ad article is matt referencing?

It's behind a paywall but essentially indicates the TX schools are working together & that they (led by one school in particular) ousted Hurd from the commish position, amongst other details.
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(08-15-2021 06:03 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  No point in arguing anything right now. Nothing has happened yet and we don’t know what’s going to happen. Until we actually hire someone and they’re in office for over a year, then we’ll know how things are flowing.

TRod is the voice of reason calling out in the night. All this speculation and the new teams barely joined a month ago and haven't played a game yet. Sheesh!!

And thanks to Matt Brown for telling us all to slow our roll.
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(08-16-2021 11:31 AM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I've been working on this for a week and hope to have a big WAC story, that touches on this, membership, TV and more, later next week.

I'll just say this. That CollegeAD story was not accurate.
Matt, can you announce Seattle and Utah Poly to the PacWest ASAP please?
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The RFP goes to... allegedly!



More on Bob below...

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(08-16-2021 02:38 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  
(08-16-2021 02:24 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  which college ad article is matt referencing?

It's behind a paywall but essentially indicates the TX schools are working together & that they (led by one school in particular) ousted Hurd from the commish position, amongst other details.

Yeah, the two things I think I can state now, before the story is finished, is that the idea that Tarleton is the ringleader of anything here is 100% just not true....and that trying to reduce any tension to T4 vs everybody else, or even Texas vs everybody else, is a significant oversimplification.
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(08-16-2021 04:12 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  
(08-16-2021 02:38 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  
(08-16-2021 02:24 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  which college ad article is matt referencing?

It's behind a paywall but essentially indicates the TX schools are working together & that they (led by one school in particular) ousted Hurd from the commish position, amongst other details.

Yeah, the two things I think I can state now, before the story is finished, is that the idea that Tarleton is the ringleader of anything here is 100% just not true....and that trying to reduce any tension to T4 vs everybody else, or even Texas vs everybody else, is a significant oversimplification.

Interesting. Confirmation that it is true and real, just oversimplified. I knew we were all screwed when we took these rejects. They can't get along anywhere they go apparently.
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(08-16-2021 04:51 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(08-16-2021 04:12 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  
(08-16-2021 02:38 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  
(08-16-2021 02:24 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  which college ad article is matt referencing?

It's behind a paywall but essentially indicates the TX schools are working together & that they (led by one school in particular) ousted Hurd from the commish position, amongst other details.

Yeah, the two things I think I can state now, before the story is finished, is that the idea that Tarleton is the ringleader of anything here is 100% just not true....and that trying to reduce any tension to T4 vs everybody else, or even Texas vs everybody else, is a significant oversimplification.

Interesting. Confirmation that it is true and real, just oversimplified. I knew we were all screwed when we took these rejects. They can't get along anywhere they go apparently.

Thanks for that stellar example of confirmation bias.
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So I got some PM's about this Bob Beaudine is leading the "search" for new WAC commish.

The bad signs just keep piling up. He's from Texas, conincidentally, previously helped the Southland search for execs, also did work for Abilene, Lamar and SFU. Yeah, his company has worked for others too, but the signs of impartiality and not being inbred are not encouraging.

Bad bad bad sign for the old WAC members. We are royally getting the shaft if this guy has any say in anything WAC related. I can believe a conference that has worked so well together and fought thru so much just rolls over like this.
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All the current WAC schools made a conscience decision to add the Texas 4 plus Southern Utah. This ball started rolling a year earlier when the WAC added Tarleton State and Dixie State. At that point, football was once again in the future for the WAC. The reality is the WAC was not going to survive on just non-football school additions. There pickins' were slim and the WAC had already been shunned by D2 programs not ready or willing to make the move up... i.e. Metro State, Cal State Los Angeles etc. In order to survive and stabilize, the WAC has to broaden its scope to add football playing members... hence the additions of Dixie State and Tarleton State. That opened the door to "D1" interest; if the conference was willing to entertain the addition of football.

I don't view the Texas 4 as working against the betterment of the WAC; only that the WAC now needs to adapt to a broader vision of the conference. The Texas 4 have common needs from the conference in order to be successful members moving forward. The rest of the WAC was fully aware that football drives the bus at the Texas 4 institutions, plus Tarleton State, plus Dixie State, plus Southern Utah, and any future WAC members moving forward.

I for one, am excited to have these new members in the WAC and look forward to what the future brings. I refuse to be a cynic.
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(08-16-2021 07:26 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  All the current WAC schools made a conscience decision to add the Texas 4 plus Southern Utah. This ball started rolling a year earlier when the WAC added Tarleton State and Dixie State. At that point, football was once again in the future for the WAC. The reality is the WAC was not going to survive on just non-football school additions. There pickins' were slim and the WAC had already been shunned by D2 programs not ready or willing to make the move up... i.e. Metro State, Cal State Los Angeles etc. In order to survive and stabilize, the WAC has to broaden its scope to add football playing members... hence the additions of Dixie State and Tarleton State. That opened the door to "D1" interest; if the conference was willing to entertain the addition of football.

I don't view the Texas 4 as working against the betterment of the WAC; only that the WAC now needs to adapt to a broader vision of the conference. The Texas 4 have common needs from the conference in order to be successful members moving forward. The rest of the WAC was fully aware that football drives the bus at the Texas 4 institutions, plus Tarleton State, plus Dixie State, plus Southern Utah, and any future WAC members moving forward.

I for one, am excited to have these new members in the WAC and look forward to what the future brings. I refuse to be a cynic.

I do hear what you are saying and agree in large part. However, I have a more optimistic view of the WAC as it stood and its ability to move move forward. We were not going out of business without these new Texas schools. Not by a long shot. After a period of reasonable stability, a loss like UMKC that was less expected than CSB can feel like it is worse than it really was and prompt people make decisions they wouldn't have made previously, which I feel like happened.

In a way you were more cynical about the old WAC than I was. You may say realistic, not cynical, and I say I'm more realistic than cynical about our new east coast partners.

I'm 100% gung ho on the long term future of the WAC with most or all pre 2021 members still around (except Chicago) and most likely the Aggies included. And possibly one from the southeastern division. In the next 3-5 years, I feel it will remain in holding pattern burning fumes, and we'll take it day by day. But I'm completely confident we'll exit on the other side as a much better conference than we are now. If members felt it was necessary to adopt these schools in the short term, then we'll have to see what's next after them. I see a ton of good possibilities out there, am sure we can get back on track and minimize the damage done.

But back to the new commissioner. Will we get someone who favors one side over another? Will we get one them only considers one vision to the detriment of a majority members? Will we change course to something unsustainable or fool hearted to "see if it works out" with certain members having options not all members have? Its easier to take risks with other schools futures when your own is more secure.

Time will tell, but as erratic as decision making has been of late, I'm scared for what new roads we may get lead down, possibly past the point of return.
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(08-16-2021 06:19 PM)Todor Wrote:  So I got some PM's about this Bob Beaudine is leading the "search" for new WAC commish.

The bad signs just keep piling up. He's from Texas, conincidentally, previously helped the Southland search for execs, also did work for Abilene, Lamar and SFU. Yeah, his company has worked for others too, but the signs of impartiality and not being inbred are not encouraging.

Bad bad bad sign for the old WAC members. We are royally getting the shaft if this guy has any say in anything WAC related. I can believe a conference that has worked so well together and fought thru so much just rolls over like this.

He’s from Texas but his search firm doesn’t necessarily favor Texans. The two finalists for the ACU search had no Texas connections- a position coach from Norte Dame and the HC of NW Missouri State, who had led his team to three national championships.
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(08-15-2021 09:47 PM)Todor Wrote:  I don't think many weighty issues have come up to be voted on yet. Its only been a few months.

Not sure if I "dont like them" as much as I see they situation at hand -- they joined a league and have done nothing but work to avoid playing or travelling to 7 out 9 schools in the league.

On one hand, it doesn't matter because they won't be around very long. On the other hand, they haven't left their previous conference partners as friends at all. But the damage they can do in the meantime trying to bully everyone else around can hurt the conference long term. And because they have no interest in sticking around, its more like an experiment for them to see how far they can push the rest of the members before they say no to them. And that's when they'll be gone. And bad mouthing the WAC and its members on the way out, like they have done and keep doing to their Southland partners.

Its imperative we get someone accustomed to the West and travel to represent the regular WAC members and to stayed focused on being the Western Athletic Conference, heavily in the inter mountain region as has been tradition, and not getting suckered into being someone else's stepping stone/doormat.

Turn the drama down to, like, a 3 please.
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(08-16-2021 05:46 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(08-16-2021 04:51 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(08-16-2021 04:12 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  
(08-16-2021 02:38 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  
(08-16-2021 02:24 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  which college ad article is matt referencing?

It's behind a paywall but essentially indicates the TX schools are working together & that they (led by one school in particular) ousted Hurd from the commish position, amongst other details.

Yeah, the two things I think I can state now, before the story is finished, is that the idea that Tarleton is the ringleader of anything here is 100% just not true....and that trying to reduce any tension to T4 vs everybody else, or even Texas vs everybody else, is a significant oversimplification.

Interesting. Confirmation that it is true and real, just oversimplified. I knew we were all screwed when we took these rejects. They can't get along anywhere they go apparently.

Thanks for that stellar example of confirmation bias.

Todor can't help himself. He is like a political operative lackey who has convinced himself since sometime in his past a Texas school dumped on the WAC then by generalization it must be true of all Texas schools. Clown show at best listening to some of his unsuppressed thoughts.

He should team up with the other azz clown SammyH and they can start a thread solely on how to destroy the WAC before it ever even begins as a Conference.

Matt put everything back into perspective and yet this clown continues on as it surely fell on deaf ears.
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(08-17-2021 09:12 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  Todor can't help himself. He is like a political operative lackey who has convinced himself since sometime in his past a Texas school dumped on the WAC then by generalization it must be true of all Texas schools. Clown show at best listening to some of his unsuppressed thoughts.

It's a bit rich for someone who spends all of their time bitching in the spin room to call Todor a political operative.
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(08-17-2021 01:46 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 09:12 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  Todor can't help himself. He is like a political operative lackey who has convinced himself since sometime in his past a Texas school dumped on the WAC then by generalization it must be true of all Texas schools. Clown show at best listening to some of his unsuppressed thoughts.

It's a bit rich for someone who spends all of their time bitching in the spin room to call Todor a political operative.

How else would describe his rants on the WAC implosion almost immediately? Maybe I could have used another type of description.
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(08-17-2021 01:46 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  
(08-17-2021 09:12 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  Todor can't help himself. He is like a political operative lackey who has convinced himself since sometime in his past a Texas school dumped on the WAC then by generalization it must be true of all Texas schools. Clown show at best listening to some of his unsuppressed thoughts.

It's a bit rich for someone who spends all of their time bitching in the spin room to call Todor a political operative.

I didn't realize that room existed and I'm disappointed you pointed it out, because holy **** what a cesspool. That thing should be locked and lit on fire.
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(08-17-2021 09:12 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  
(08-16-2021 05:46 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(08-16-2021 04:51 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(08-16-2021 04:12 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  
(08-16-2021 02:38 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  It's behind a paywall but essentially indicates the TX schools are working together & that they (led by one school in particular) ousted Hurd from the commish position, amongst other details.

Yeah, the two things I think I can state now, before the story is finished, is that the idea that Tarleton is the ringleader of anything here is 100% just not true....and that trying to reduce any tension to T4 vs everybody else, or even Texas vs everybody else, is a significant oversimplification.

Interesting. Confirmation that it is true and real, just oversimplified. I knew we were all screwed when we took these rejects. They can't get along anywhere they go apparently.

Thanks for that stellar example of confirmation bias.

Todor can't help himself. He is like a political operative lackey who has convinced himself since sometime in his past a Texas school dumped on the WAC then by generalization it must be true of all Texas schools. Clown show at best listening to some of his unsuppressed thoughts.

He should team up with the other azz clown SammyH and they can start a thread solely on how to destroy the WAC before it ever even begins as a Conference.

Matt put everything back into perspective and yet this clown continues on as it surely fell on deaf ears.
Well first of all, the WAC’s been a conference for over 50 years, so I don’t know how it could be destroyed before it gets started unless you have a time machine or something. Secondly, I want the WAC to turn into a strong conference unlike Totor… just without most of it’s current members preferably.

Imagine it… the year is 2025. Seattle, Cal Baptist, Liberty Jr. and Utah State of Polytechnic are all gone. Replaced by good, football playing schools that are located nowhere near the Rocky Mountains.

And with this new commish, I’m confident this agenda will be pushed (I have my sources). This conference will revolve around TEXAS. Unfortunately Tarleton is located in said state, so they’ll have to come along, but hey every conference has their Houston Baptist.
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This came out today:

Western Athletic Conference's breakup a lesson for Group of Five conferences

Quote:Aug. 17—Yep, those U-Haul trucks and architects are helping the Power Five schools rearrange the college football world.

If they had their way—oh, heck, they are having their way—they would form Avengers-like alliances and grab even more television money and more playoff berths.

For the Group of Five teams—such as the University of Hawaii, which is a football-only member of the Mountain West Conference—they are left to do nothing or do something.

The Group of Five teams can keep collecting massive participation checks for playing the Power Five schools once or twice a year. They also can settle for the one shared at-large berth when the playoffs expand to 12 teams. They also can watch as the Southeastern Conference cherry-picks the Big 12, and the Pac-12 explores mergers with teams two and three time zones away.

The one thing Group of Five conferences should resist is expanding their memberships to keep pace. It is a lesson learned from the Mountain West's predecessor.

In 1996, the Western Athletic Conference, of which UH was a member at the time, decided more was better. The 10-team WAC added six teams to morph into a 16-team, 3, 892-mile-wide conference. The WAC was divided into four-team quads. Two quads formed a division for two years, then the quads rotated for the following two years, and so forth. It failed. The distance was too great, the scheduling too confusing (UH and Rice would be divisional foes for two years, and then not again for another four years ), and the revenue bump non-existent. University of Utah officials questioned the WAC's expansion, and then three years later, helped spearhead the eight-team secession that led to the creation of the Mountain West.

If the Group of Five wishes to be proactive, it should consider forming its own classification with its own playoffs and championship game. As San Jose State's football coach in 2001, Fitz Hill floated the concept of a playoff system for the non-powerhouse conferences. At the time, Division I's first College Football Playoff was 13 years from being a reality.

Six years ago, former UH coach June Jones proposed the Group of Five should separate from the Power Five, establishing a spring season. That format would fill a football void and keep the Group of Five from competing directly against the Power Five and NFL for fans and TV revenue.

While Jones' plan never materialized, the intent had merit. The power schools need the Group of Five and Football Championship Subdivision schools to fill their schedules. If the power schools played only each other, the math dictates that some teams would be great, some would be awful, and many would be in the middle.

With the Power Five teams concerned more about their balance than the welfare of all programs, the Group of Five's leverage might be in keeping to itself.

https://sports.yahoo.com/stephen-tsai-we...00823.html
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Can't say I disagree with the notion of the G5 separating and creating their own brand, so to speak. It's been a farce that we are technically the same level as the P5 for decades. P5 programs have nothing in common with G5. Just the way it is.

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(08-19-2021 07:41 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  Can't say I disagree with the notion of the G5 separating and creating their own brand, so to speak. It's been a farce that we are technically the same level as the P5 for decades. P5 programs have nothing in common with G5. Just the way it is.

GO AGGIES!!!!

I like the thought of the G5 being proactive and not worrying about what the P5 is doing. We should break away and move the games to the spring. G5 football would be the only game in town, perhaps increasing revenue for said games.
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