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RE: How does the B1G respond if OU and UT go to the SEC?
(07-21-2021 07:17 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Probably by asking some ACC schools if they’re interested.

I don’t think Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech will be happy seeing their SEC in state rivals make a lot of money while they get relegated to second or third tier.

Yeah, OU & UT to the SEC would be a huge shift in the current balance of power. Back fill or not, the B12 ends up as a G6 conference. The ACC and P12 would be so far behind money wise that the only way for any of those schools to try to keep up would be to move to the BIG. A move like this probably opens the door for the BIG to pick whatever schools it wants from either conference.
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(07-21-2021 08:04 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(07-21-2021 07:15 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  OU & UT to the SEC is an absolute game changer. Great move for the SEC, UT, & OU. The only party that would be unhappy is A&M but 13 vs 1 vote sounds like a welcome to me.

More than one. As many as four more (Mizzou, Arkansas, Tennessee and Vanderbilt) could gum up the works.

Why? Would they risk the B1G making an all out move into the south. It makes no sense for them to refuse. Additionally the rivalries would be better as Bama and Auburn move east and Missouri moves west. The schedule would be a booch but for the additional revenue... Who cares.
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RE: How does the B1G respond if OU and UT go to the SEC?
I posted this in another thread but if the B1G can’t get UVA and UNC, how about going for USC and UCLA? This is a total blue sky thought on my part.
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RE: How does the B1G respond if OU and UT go to the SEC?
Small move: 2 from Missouri, Kansas and Colorado

Big move: 10 pac 12 schools
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RE: How does the B1G respond if OU and UT go to the SEC?
(07-21-2021 08:06 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(07-21-2021 08:04 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(07-21-2021 07:15 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  OU & UT to the SEC is an absolute game changer. Great move for the SEC, UT, & OU. The only party that would be unhappy is A&M but 13 vs 1 vote sounds like a welcome to me.

More than one. As many as four more (Mizzou, Arkansas, Tennessee and Vanderbilt) could gum up the works.


Arkansas doesn’t hate Texas like mizzou and A&M
Vandy, if I am not mistaken, abstained even on Mizzou.
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RE: How does the B1G respond if OU and UT go to the SEC?
It'll be 11-2 with Vandy not voting unless they have too. Both A&M and Missouri are posturing for their athletic donor base. This is BS. Almost certainly they approve, and will make sure their no votes don't block it.

As for the B1G, they don't have Godfather Delaney calling the shots. So they are caught out without a response. And what would that be anyway? Is KU of any value to the B1G? I don't think so. If they find a school they can gran later of value, KU will still be sitting there. The schools that help the B1G are in the ACC, and it'll be several years before they can be approached. The only thing they can do is start conversation (courting) with some of them (UVa, Duke, UNC, FSU), play the long game.
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RE: How does the B1G respond if OU and UT go to the SEC?
(07-21-2021 08:27 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  
(07-21-2021 07:17 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Probably by asking some ACC schools if they’re interested.

I don’t think Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech will be happy seeing their SEC in state rivals make a lot of money while they get relegated to second or third tier.

Yeah, OU & UT to the SEC would be a huge shift in the current balance of power. Back fill or not, the B12 ends up as a G6 conference. The ACC and P12 would be so far behind money wise that the only way for any of those schools to try to keep up would be to move to the BIG. A move like this probably opens the door for the BIG to pick whatever schools it wants from either conference.

This is unconventional but what if the B1G signed Kansas and Colorado? Two states not in the shadow of the SEC unlike many of the AAC programs.

Two rivals for Nebraska. Denver and Kansas City media markets.

PAC then could grab Texas Tech as a replacement, nice rival for the Arizona schools.
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RE: How does the B1G respond if OU and UT go to the SEC?
(07-21-2021 10:34 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(07-21-2021 08:27 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  
(07-21-2021 07:17 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Probably by asking some ACC schools if they’re interested.

I don’t think Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech will be happy seeing their SEC in state rivals make a lot of money while they get relegated to second or third tier.

Yeah, OU & UT to the SEC would be a huge shift in the current balance of power. Back fill or not, the B12 ends up as a G6 conference. The ACC and P12 would be so far behind money wise that the only way for any of those schools to try to keep up would be to move to the BIG. A move like this probably opens the door for the BIG to pick whatever schools it wants from either conference.

This is unconventional but what if the B1G signed Kansas and Colorado? Two states not in the shadow of the SEC unlike many of the AAC programs.

Two rivals for Nebraska. Denver and Kansas City media markets.

PAC then could grab Texas Tech as a replacement, nice rival for the Arizona schools.
That may be tempting for CU. But do they stay in a conference that is more like minded?
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RE: How does the B1G respond if OU and UT go to the SEC?
(07-21-2021 10:46 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(07-21-2021 10:34 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
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(07-21-2021 07:17 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Probably by asking some ACC schools if they’re interested.

I don’t think Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech will be happy seeing their SEC in state rivals make a lot of money while they get relegated to second or third tier.

Yeah, OU & UT to the SEC would be a huge shift in the current balance of power. Back fill or not, the B12 ends up as a G6 conference. The ACC and P12 would be so far behind money wise that the only way for any of those schools to try to keep up would be to move to the BIG. A move like this probably opens the door for the BIG to pick whatever schools it wants from either conference.

This is unconventional but what if the B1G signed Kansas and Colorado? Two states not in the shadow of the SEC unlike many of the AAC programs.

Two rivals for Nebraska. Denver and Kansas City media markets.

PAC then could grab Texas Tech as a replacement, nice rival for the Arizona schools.
That may be tempting for CU. But do they stay in a conference that is more like minded?

B1G West would be Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas, Minnesota, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois and Purdue. That is not too different from what Colorado had in the Big 8, only better playing teams around the Chicago media market.

Its probably worth the money over staying in the PAC.
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RE: How does the B1G respond if OU and UT go to the SEC?
(07-21-2021 10:34 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(07-21-2021 08:27 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  
(07-21-2021 07:17 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Probably by asking some ACC schools if they’re interested.

I don’t think Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech will be happy seeing their SEC in state rivals make a lot of money while they get relegated to second or third tier.

Yeah, OU & UT to the SEC would be a huge shift in the current balance of power. Back fill or not, the B12 ends up as a G6 conference. The ACC and P12 would be so far behind money wise that the only way for any of those schools to try to keep up would be to move to the BIG. A move like this probably opens the door for the BIG to pick whatever schools it wants from either conference.

This is unconventional but what if the B1G signed Kansas and Colorado? Two states not in the shadow of the SEC unlike many of the AAC programs.

Two rivals for Nebraska. Denver and Kansas City media markets.

PAC then could grab Texas Tech as a replacement, nice rival for the Arizona schools.

If the B1G went west I don't see much reason for why they stop with Colorado who doesn't really do much to improve the B1G's financial status. If they reach into the Pac12 they would be going after the core whether that would be just going for the Cal schools by themselves or building the AAU bridge to them.
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Any attempts by the B1G to court ACC teams that actually care about football is going to have to overcome a geographic isolation problem. Even adding a block of four teams like VT, GT, CU, and FSU may not be enough games those teams actually give a damn about to be worth those bags of filthy lucre. If you think Clemson and FSU are grumpy about playing Syracuse and Boston College just wait until you try giving them Minnesota and Iowa and Rutgers and Indiana and Northwestern and Maryland. I imagine all four of those fan bases would rather play a reeling Tennessee than a top ranked Penn State or Ohio State or Michigan.
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RE: How does the B1G respond if OU and UT go to the SEC?
Mizzou to the B1G... here is what happens...

The B1G needs to add 2 to keep up, they also need to add AAU... the geographically closest choices are... Kansas, Iowa State and Missouri.

Iowa would rather not have Iowa State in B1G but will allow it if they have to.

Oklahoma legislators are on record many times saying no OU with OSU to any conference. Period.
The SEC wants TX, OU and will take OSU if they have to... but they have to get rid of someone... they can make an attractive offer to Mizzou to leave with no buyout or even offer incentives, which is when the B1G would come calling...

To get a built in historic rivalry game (KU / MU), two solid academically prestigious state schools... owning the KC and St Louis markets... well worth it for the B1G to add KU / MU... KU/ISU if they have to, but the upside is huge in adding MU.

And MU, if they stick in SEC with TX/OU, they are 6th in the pecking order in their division (assuming they are in west now) and have no shot at a nat champ game any time in near future... in B1G, they likely play in some B1G championship games.
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RE: How does the B1G respond if OU and UT go to the SEC?
This is my breakdown of the ACC school’s preference. In a nutshell, only Pitt and Cuse would be interested in a Big 10 membership. The ACC core and southern schools are not joining the BIG.

ACC:

Pitt: would leave for the Big Ten if offered
Cuse: would leave for the Big Ten if offered
BC: less certain about BC. It is a smaller Catholic school. Maybe they don’t want to associate with the Big Ten scools.
UNC, Duke, UVa: they are the core of the ACC and would not leave
NC state, Wake, VT: they will stick to the core ACC teams
Clemson: would leave for the SEC if offered
FSU: would leave for the SEC if offered
Louisville: would leave for the SEC if offered
Miami: less certain about Miami. It’s a private school and culturally doesn’t not fit with the SEC schools.
GT: likely stay even if offered. GT values the academics and the Big Ten is too far
ND: not sure if ND will leave for the Big Ten if the Big Ten offers a similar 5 game deal
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(07-21-2021 11:14 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  ACC:
GT: likely stay even if offered. GT values the academics and the Big Ten is too far


If GT is alone in the south.... the answer is probably no. If the B1G's idea of not being alone in the south is UVA and UNC ... the answer is probably still no. The teams that move the needle to be brought with GT are Clemson, FSU, and VT in that order. This list doesn't really extend much if at all beyond that. Having said that, potluck ACC out of NC+UVA is still leaps and bounds better than Minne-freakin-sota. No rust belt. Not home. Not away. Not ever beyond a bowl or playoff game. We can discuss a few rust belt'ers for bags of filthy lucre after we discuss who that isn't a rust belt'er is available in the conference to be scheduled annually.
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(07-21-2021 11:10 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Any attempts by the B1G to court ACC teams that actually care about football is going to have to overcome a geographic isolation problem. Even adding a block of four teams like VT, GT, CU, and FSU may not be enough games those teams actually give a damn about to be worth those bags of filthy lucre. If you think Clemson and FSU are grumpy about playing Syracuse and Boston College just wait until you try giving them Minnesota and Iowa and Rutgers and Indiana and Northwestern and Maryland. I imagine all four of those fan bases would rather play a reeling Tennessee than a top ranked Penn State or Ohio State or Michigan.

How much value could Florida State add to the B1G Network?

B1G could go with something like Kansas/Florida St, major add in BB and FB. Florida State has historically been better than UF so it would not be a little brother situation.
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(07-21-2021 11:07 PM)clpp01 Wrote:  
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(07-21-2021 07:17 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Probably by asking some ACC schools if they’re interested.

I don’t think Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech will be happy seeing their SEC in state rivals make a lot of money while they get relegated to second or third tier.

Yeah, OU & UT to the SEC would be a huge shift in the current balance of power. Back fill or not, the B12 ends up as a G6 conference. The ACC and P12 would be so far behind money wise that the only way for any of those schools to try to keep up would be to move to the BIG. A move like this probably opens the door for the BIG to pick whatever schools it wants from either conference.

This is unconventional but what if the B1G signed Kansas and Colorado? Two states not in the shadow of the SEC unlike many of the AAC programs.

Two rivals for Nebraska. Denver and Kansas City media markets.

PAC then could grab Texas Tech as a replacement, nice rival for the Arizona schools.

If the B1G went west I don't see much reason for why they stop with Colorado who doesn't really do much to improve the B1G's financial status. If they reach into the Pac12 they would be going after the core whether that would be just going for the Cal schools by themselves or building the AAU bridge to them.

Then who would the B1G play in the Rose Bowl?

Colorado would give the B1G a wedge out west w/o overrunning the region.

Kansas/Nebraska/Colorado could be like what the B1G has out east with Maryland/Penn St/Rutgers.
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RE: How does the B1G respond if OU and UT go to the SEC?
The B1G will focus long term. Florida State, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia possibly Colorado.

What they can offer ACC schools is something close to double the media revenue, an additional $30-40m per year by 2030. Like Oklahoma, who realized they couldn't make that kind of money staying in the Big 12 (Texas realized they had to stay with Oklahoma and the SEC made more sense so hitched on), at least a few of the ACC schools will be receptive. Pennsylvania, Maryland, Ohio and New Jersey are not too far a stretch for Virginia and Duke can easily detach. Traditions can be undone for $400-500m in additional revenue over a decade. Even a $60-80m buyout pales in comparison.

If the B1G decides they need a couple ACC schools, well they offer the money to shake them loose.
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ACC is actually going to be closer to Big 10 especially with the big 10 humbled by this SEC move. It will be up to ND if they join the ACC that conference is stronger then Big 10
IMO. We just don’t know but ND just Played it’s first ever season of conference football in ACC they are close IMO
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(07-22-2021 12:50 AM)PusherT Wrote:  ACC is actually going to be closer to Big 10 especially with the big 10 humbled by this SEC move. It will be up to ND if they join the ACC that conference is stronger then Big 10
IMO. We just don’t know but ND just Played it’s first ever season of conference football in ACC they are close IMO

You are dreaming. Sound like a West Virginia denialist who claimed the B12 would raid the ACC and then said they'd raid the Pac-12, and that everyone was wrong that Texas and Oklahoma would leave.

The ACC is locked into a long contract with ESPN that is approach less than half the B1G contract in value per school. And the increase is at a slower rate than the B1G. That gap is growing every year, with no mechanism to reduce it. Like Oklahoma, when looking at $400-500m additional dollars over a decade in distributions conference loyalty gets pretty thin. Those are the kind of numbers that persuade Chancellors and Presidents over all complaints from boosters and fans.

But the ACC is locked in a GOR until 2035. So I don't expect anything but courting for the next decade. But come 2031 or 2032 we may get a similar announcement from a couple schools like Virginia and North Carolina.
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(07-22-2021 12:25 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
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(07-21-2021 10:34 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
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(07-21-2021 07:17 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Probably by asking some ACC schools if they’re interested.

I don’t think Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech will be happy seeing their SEC in state rivals make a lot of money while they get relegated to second or third tier.

Yeah, OU & UT to the SEC would be a huge shift in the current balance of power. Back fill or not, the B12 ends up as a G6 conference. The ACC and P12 would be so far behind money wise that the only way for any of those schools to try to keep up would be to move to the BIG. A move like this probably opens the door for the BIG to pick whatever schools it wants from either conference.

This is unconventional but what if the B1G signed Kansas and Colorado? Two states not in the shadow of the SEC unlike many of the AAC programs.

Two rivals for Nebraska. Denver and Kansas City media markets.

PAC then could grab Texas Tech as a replacement, nice rival for the Arizona schools.

If the B1G went west I don't see much reason for why they stop with Colorado who doesn't really do much to improve the B1G's financial status. If they reach into the Pac12 they would be going after the core whether that would be just going for the Cal schools by themselves or building the AAU bridge to them.

Then who would the B1G play in the Rose Bowl?

Colorado would give the B1G a wedge out west w/o overrunning the region.

Kansas/Nebraska/Colorado could be like what the B1G has out east with Maryland/Penn St/Rutgers.
The states touching rule would still work in that case too. Neb touches both
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