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RE: Texas, Oklahoma reach out to the SEC. What does it mean for Memphis?
(07-21-2021 04:37 PM)micman Wrote:  I don't see the advantage for Oklahoma to go to the SEC. They've been to 3 of the last 4 Playoffs. That ends as soon as they go to the SEC.

They don't think so. They think they can knock off Bammer, LSU, Georgia, Florida half the time or so. (I'm not implying they're out of their minds.)
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RE: Texas, Oklahoma reach out to the SEC. What does it mean for Memphis?
From a competitiveness standpoint, this seems like a dumb move for both Texas and Oklahoma.

In a 12 team playoff with auto bids for top 6 conference champs, they both have relatively easy paths to the auto bid and can expect a good chance at a first round by more often than not.

I’m the SEC, they will have a steep hill to climb to win the conference on a regular basis and will be much more worn down come playoff time if they get an at large bid after going through an SEC schedule rather than a Big 12 schedule.

As for Memphis’s potential in the Big 12, we all need to realize that we aren’t comparing the remaining 8 Big 12 teams to the current AAC. We would be comparing the 8 Big 12 remnants + 2-3 of the top AAC teams to the AAC - 2-3 of our top teams. The Big 12 is s far more competitive and lucrative conference in that scenario.
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RE: Texas, Oklahoma reach out to the SEC. What does it mean for Memphis?
(07-21-2021 09:52 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  From a competitiveness standpoint, this seems like a dumb move for both Texas and Oklahoma.

In a 12 team playoff with auto bids for top 6 conference champs, they both have relatively easy paths to the auto bid and can expect a good chance at a first round by more often than not.

I’m the SEC, they will have a steep hill to climb to win the conference on a regular basis and will be much more worn down come playoff time if they get an at large bid after going through an SEC schedule rather than a Big 12 schedule.

As for Memphis’s potential in the Big 12, we all need to realize that we aren’t comparing the remaining 8 Big 12 teams to the current AAC. We would be comparing the 8 Big 12 remnants + 2-3 of the top AAC teams to the AAC - 2-3 of our top teams. The Big 12 is s far more competitive and lucrative conference in that scenario.
Without Texas/OU the Big12 is not that much more valuable than the AAC. ESPN will only play the B12 that much more than the AAC.
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RE: Texas, Oklahoma reach out to the SEC. What does it mean for Memphis?
(07-21-2021 10:02 PM)billards06 Wrote:  
(07-21-2021 09:52 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  From a competitiveness standpoint, this seems like a dumb move for both Texas and Oklahoma.

In a 12 team playoff with auto bids for top 6 conference champs, they both have relatively easy paths to the auto bid and can expect a good chance at a first round by more often than not.

I’m the SEC, they will have a steep hill to climb to win the conference on a regular basis and will be much more worn down come playoff time if they get an at large bid after going through an SEC schedule rather than a Big 12 schedule.

As for Memphis’s potential in the Big 12, we all need to realize that we aren’t comparing the remaining 8 Big 12 teams to the current AAC. We would be comparing the 8 Big 12 remnants + 2-3 of the top AAC teams to the AAC - 2-3 of our top teams. The Big 12 is s far more competitive and lucrative conference in that scenario.
Without Texas/OU the Big12 is not that much more valuable than the AAC. ESPN will only play the B12 that much more than the AAC.

Completely false.
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RE: Texas, Oklahoma reach out to the SEC. What does it mean for Memphis?
(07-21-2021 10:02 PM)billards06 Wrote:  
(07-21-2021 09:52 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  From a competitiveness standpoint, this seems like a dumb move for both Texas and Oklahoma.

In a 12 team playoff with auto bids for top 6 conference champs, they both have relatively easy paths to the auto bid and can expect a good chance at a first round by more often than not.

I’m the SEC, they will have a steep hill to climb to win the conference on a regular basis and will be much more worn down come playoff time if they get an at large bid after going through an SEC schedule rather than a Big 12 schedule.

As for Memphis’s potential in the Big 12, we all need to realize that we aren’t comparing the remaining 8 Big 12 teams to the current AAC. We would be comparing the 8 Big 12 remnants + 2-3 of the top AAC teams to the AAC - 2-3 of our top teams. The Big 12 is s far more competitive and lucrative conference in that scenario.
Without Texas/OU the Big12 is not that much more valuable than the AAC. ESPN will only play the B12 that much more than the AAC.

Again if this comes to pass, we aren’t comparing the Big 12 without UT/OU to the current AAC. We are comparing it to an AAC without 2 or more or Memphis, Houston, Cincy, and UCF.
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RE: Texas, Oklahoma reach out to the SEC. What does it mean for Memphis?
If given the choice, I’d rather us join the ACC. We’d be competitive in football almost immediately except Clemson plus have Louisville, Duke, NC coming to FedX forum every year.
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I'm fine with most scenarios that keep Memphis, Houston and Cincinnati in the same league. However, if we are left behind holding hands with ECU and Tulsa, I may give up college sports all together.
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(07-21-2021 10:44 PM)sherekhan Wrote:  I'm fine with most scenarios that keep Memphis, Houston and Cincinnati in the same league. However, if we are left behind holding hands with ECU and Tulsa, I may give up college sports all together.

This is what scares me. If the B12 decides to backfill with only 2, we are ok because it means 1 of UCF, Cincy, or Houston will still be in the AAC with us. Maybe 2 of 3 if BYU decides they wanna join and the B12 takes them. If they opt for 4, we are up a creek. If we are left behind again (and I have 0 reason for optimism considering we didnt even make the final list last time), then Tiger sports are in trouble. Seems we never can catch a break. Football rolling along at unprecedented level, Penny bring in Brown and top recruits, and out of nowhere, TX and OU may cause our league to implode.
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RE: Texas, Oklahoma reach out to the SEC. What does it mean for Memphis?
(07-22-2021 07:23 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  
(07-21-2021 10:44 PM)sherekhan Wrote:  I'm fine with most scenarios that keep Memphis, Houston and Cincinnati in the same league. However, if we are left behind holding hands with ECU and Tulsa, I may give up college sports all together.

This is what scares me. If the B12 decides to backfill with only 2, we are ok because it means 1 of UCF, Cincy, or Houston will still be in the AAC with us. Maybe 2 of 3 if BYU decides they wanna join and the B12 takes them. If they opt for 4, we are up a creek. If we are left behind again (and I have 0 reason for optimism considering we didnt even make the final list last time), then Tiger sports are in trouble. Seems we never can catch a break. Football rolling along at unprecedented level, Penny bring in Brown and top recruits, and out of nowhere, TX and OU may cause our league to implode.

We were a sure thing last time. Stop worrying.
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RE: Texas, Oklahoma reach out to the SEC. What does it mean for Memphis?
Who made the weeding out decisions in the last Big 12 faux realignment? Logic tells you that Texas in Oklahoma had oversized voices in that decision. Frankly I think Memphis has positioned pretty well. Geography connecting all Big 12 teams, population, recruiting area, and good football and basketball. Still, I think Houston and UCF are ahead of us. Maybe Cincinnati. But we're certainly near the top of the list this time I would think. With Texas and Oklahoma gone I would think the list of teams who now add value to the Big 12 could easily be more than just two.
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(07-22-2021 07:40 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Who made the weeding out decisions in the last Big 12 faux realignment? Logic tells you that Texas in Oklahoma had oversized voices in that decision. Frankly I think Memphis has positioned pretty well. Geography connecting all Big 12 teams, population, recruiting area, and good football and basketball. Still, I think Houston and UCF are ahead of us. Maybe Cincinnati. But we're certainly near the top of the list this time I would think. With Texas and Oklahoma gone I would think the list of teams who now add value to the Big 12 could easily be more than just two.

Houston was unanimously not wanted by anyone, especially the Texas schools; and that was probably what stopped it from happening last time. Politically, the other Texas schools couldn't justify not voting Houston in. IF Houston was the complete circus that they have become in the last 3 years, it probably would have happened. They were too good and too well organized when Herman was the coach.

The timing for us was super bad the first time the Big East expanded, but amazing when the Big 12 talked about it last time and amazing now. The timing for Cincinnati the first time the Big 12 talked about it wasn't great, but it is amazing right now. The timing for Houston the last time the Big 12 talked about it last time was very good, and now it is horrible.

I had/have a source that told me in May that expansion talk with the Big 12 was going to heat up at the latest by September, and probably by summer. What I wasn't told was that it would be driven by Texas and Oklahoma leaving.

If by chance Texas and Oklahoma stay, it seems that us, Cincinnati and UCF will be invited by September or October. Maybe #4 will be Houston, maybe it will be someone else. The problem has always been the 4th addition. Nobody wants Houston.
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RE: Texas, Oklahoma reach out to the SEC. What does it mean for Memphis?
The AAC should take
Kansas
Kansas State
OK State
Texas Tech
TCU
West Virginia

Kick out
Navy
and East Carolina or Tulsa or both and add Baylor

16 teams sit down with ESPN and get a contract a little worse than current BIG12 and a lot better than the current AAC.
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Which of the remaining eight Big 12 schools add value to any of the other P4 conferences? Kansas to the big 10? Why would the Big Ten add Kansas basketball (and their bottom-of-the-barrel football program) to create an odd numbers situation. I don't see it and I don't see where any of the other remaining Big 12 schools go. If those eight schools stayed together then gravity tells you they'll pick up two or four schools from the aac and maybe BYU. I think that's the direction of the poaching... not the other way. This is going to be interesting.
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(07-22-2021 08:10 AM)cmt Wrote:  The AAC should take
Kansas
Kansas State
OK State
Texas Tech
TCU
West Virginia

Kick out
Navy
and East Carolina or Tulsa or both and add Baylor

16 teams sit down with ESPN and get a contract a little worse than current BIG12 and a lot better than the current AAC.

Kick out Navy? Navy is possibly the highest profile member, definitely the one with the most prestige, has a very good football program, AND gets good ratings. Kick out Navy for Baylor...it's crazy.
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(07-22-2021 08:20 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Which of the remaining eight Big 12 schools add value to any of the other P4 conferences? Kansas to the big 10? Why would the Big Ten add Kansas basketball (and their bottom-of-the-barrel football program) to create an odd numbers situation. I don't see it and I don't see where any of the other remaining Big 12 schools go. If those eight schools stayed together then gravity tells you they'll pick up two or four schools from the aac and maybe BYU. I think that's the direction of the poaching... not the other way. This is going to be interesting.

I could see Oklahoma State and West Virginia adding value to the ACC. I would think that West Virginia and Cincinnati would be ahead of us if the ACC expands. Maybe Oklahoma State would as well.
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If memory serves me didn't West Virginia get left out of the ACC the last realignment and that's why they're the geographic outlier in the Big 12 now? I'm not sure why they would be attractive now to the ACC since they could have added them anytime since the last realignment. I'm sure the eight Big 12 schools are on the phones scrambling to find a landing spot in another P4 as I type this. I'm just having a hard time figuring out where those places might be for Kansas (P12?), Kansas State, Texas Tech, TCU, etc.
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It's a new arms race.

The B1G will add two to keep up with the $EC. I would expect they'd go for UVA and UNC, but UNC wouldn't be interested so they would go for GT. The grant of rights is a hurdle, but I'm sure by the time the expansion happens, the leaving schools will come to a financial agreement. I also think the Pac-12 expands to 14 adding UNLV and possibly trying to poach one of the Big XII schools (KU, Baylor, or Texas Tech.)

If the B1G adds UVA and UNC, the ACC may be in a mood to expand by 3 or 4 including forcing Notre Dame to be a full member in football.

This might be the best scenario for us because we might be one of the most attractive options for the ACC. The ACC and Big XII will be on a full battle to try to get Cincinnati and possibly Houston. The ACC also may be pressed into pursuing USF or UCF if they don't get opposition from FSU and UM. But if the ACC is trying to protect their TV footprint, adding Memphis might make a lot of sense to get into Tennessee. Maybe the ACC goes after WVU? But do you want WVU and Cincy if you have Pitt?

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UF, UGA, USC, UTK, UK, VU, Bama, Auburn, Mississippi. MSU, LSU, TAMU, Mizzou, Ark, UT, OU

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(07-21-2021 05:02 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  If UT and Okie leave...
And if WVU leaves for the ACC...
And if KU and either KState or Iowa State leave for the B1G...
Then there's a new conference coming with Okie State, TCU, Baylor, TTU, KState/Ia State, BYU, Boise, Col State/AFA/SD State, Houston, Cincy, UCF, Memphis - and maybe 2-4 others (SMU, USF, Tulane, another MWC).

If the ACC has Pitt, isn't Cincy a more attractive option over UWV?

After all, the ACC choose Louisville over UWV.
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As far as poaching from the ACC when does their grant of rights end? 2035? I mean that's a long time it might be a factor in all of this.
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At least this time, unlike in 2016, the Big 12 will be serious about adding teams. That clown show in 2016 was the beginning of the end for them. Had they added Houston, UC, Memphis, and SMU, they might not be here today.
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