Perhaps ESPN, who owes the Whorns some 90 million for the remainder of the term on the Whorn Network, might be enticed to pony up some of the scratch money for early departure.....

UT is hoping their announcement leads to others jumping ship and the cratering of B12 before they leave to ease the early leaving fee. The alternative is the equivalent of the divorce proceeding going on with the couple still living together.... It happens, but the environment sucks all the way around.

IIRC, there are two timetables at play. If any school bolts prior to the expiration of the grant of rights, they have to give 18 months notice. With the timetable being met, the penalty for early leaving is two years revenue --- I think maybe up to 80-100 million for the Whorns and somewhere around 70 million for OU.

If an early departure occurs without the 18 month notice, it is even worse.

18 months gets us to January 2023; GOR expires in June 2025. The only workable option for both OU and UT is poison the B12 so badly that it dies on the vine, and then no departure penalty. And kudos, the blindside mode of announcement and really long runway (i.e. to 2025) do just that. About what I would expect the Whorns to do.

I really have to think they are engineering this to: a) get out as quick as possible; b) get out with as little liability as possible. Cant fault them at that level, but if they are doing this in a manner to scuttle the b12 for those reasons they are even lower than I would ever think possible (which, is pretty low to begin with).

The way that they get out the cleanest is to scupper and poison the conference as a whole --- and it looks like that is the path that they are on.

Pretty funny but true:

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(07-27-2021 01:52 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  Pretty funny but true:

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I think a vampire meme to be more on point.

(07-27-2021 01:52 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  Pretty funny but true:
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I think TexasU may have met its match in the SEC. I would like to be a fly on the wall in the first SEC meeting when the Whorns start telling Bama, Georgia, Florida, and LSU that they are doing it all wrong.

My SEC friends complain about Bama's arrogance. But one, Bama has kinda done it so they have earned the right to some arrogance, and two, Bama's arrogance is kind of limited to, "We're really, really good," arrogance, and doesn't really extend to the kind of telling everybody else what they have to do differently that TexasU arrogance includes.

(07-27-2021 02:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  "We're really, really god," arrogance

Freudian slip?

(07-27-2021 02:34 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  "We're really, really god," arrogance

Freudian slip?

Just a typo, corrected, thanks.

Come to think of it, that's probably the difference between Alabama arrogance and TexasU arrogance. Alabama, "We're really good." TexasU, "We're really God."

(07-27-2021 03:37 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:34 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  "We're really, really god," arrogance

Freudian slip?

Just a typo, corrected, thanks.

Come to think of it, that's probably the difference between Alabama arrogance and TexasU arrogance. Alabama, "We're really good." TexasU, "We're really God."

and it is by the grace of God that we should be national champions in all sports, just because.....

(07-27-2021 03:53 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 03:37 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:34 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  "We're really, really god," arrogance

Freudian slip?

Just a typo, corrected, thanks.
Come to think of it, that's probably the difference between Alabama arrogance and TexasU arrogance. Alabama, "We're really good." TexasU, "We're really God."

and it is by the grace of God that we should be national champions in all sports, just because.....

Or at least conference champions, and it is the duty of every other conference member (and official) to make it so.

(07-27-2021 06:52 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 03:53 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 03:37 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:34 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  "We're really, really god," arrogance

Freudian slip?

Just a typo, corrected, thanks.
Come to think of it, that's probably the difference between Alabama arrogance and TexasU arrogance. Alabama, "We're really good." TexasU, "We're really God."

and it is by the grace of God that we should be national champions in all sports, just because.....

Or at least conference champions, and it is the duty of every other conference member to make it so.

Finally, somebody who understands Longhornthink.

I was shocked Alabama and LSU allowed Texas and Oklahoma into the SEC. This will greatly weaken those schools in Texas recruiting.

(07-29-2021 09:32 AM)Texasowl Wrote:  I was shocked Alabama and LSU allowed Texas and Oklahoma into the SEC. This will greatly weaken those schools in Texas recruiting.

How many battles were they actually winning against UT for any reason other than Texas's recent poor performance? I don't think UT has had any particular trouble with recruiting specifically, at least not in state. If the decision makers are worried about recruiting, I think they're expecting to have a greater improvement recruiting in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and California.

More cynically, I think the actual reason is that all the administrators making these choices will get paid out of the increased revenue that's guaranteed to come. If they're only going to work for another 10 years before retirement anyway, let the next guy deal with the fallout while they collect a bigger paycheck today. There's no incentives for a long-term viewpoint because we assume university employees are there for the mission, not the money.

(07-29-2021 09:45 AM)franklyconfused Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 09:32 AM)Texasowl Wrote:  I was shocked Alabama and LSU allowed Texas and Oklahoma into the SEC. This will greatly weaken those schools in Texas recruiting.

How many battles were they actually winning against UT for any reason other than Texas's recent poor performance? I don't think UT has had any particular trouble with recruiting specifically, at least not in state. If the decision makers are worried about recruiting, I think they're expecting to have a greater improvement recruiting in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and California.

More cynically, I think the actual reason is that all the administrators making these choices will get paid out of the increased revenue that's guaranteed to come. If they're only going to work for another 10 years before retirement anyway, let the next guy deal with the fallout while they collect a bigger paycheck today. There's no incentives for a long-term viewpoint because we assume university employees are there for the mission, not the money.

UT has major problems getting top recruits to them. Of the Rivals top 50 from Texas for 2021, six signed with UT. A&M absolutely cleaned their clock.

(07-29-2021 01:05 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 09:45 AM)franklyconfused Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 09:32 AM)Texasowl Wrote:  I was shocked Alabama and LSU allowed Texas and Oklahoma into the SEC. This will greatly weaken those schools in Texas recruiting.

How many battles were they actually winning against UT for any reason other than Texas's recent poor performance? I don't think UT has had any particular trouble with recruiting specifically, at least not in state. If the decision makers are worried about recruiting, I think they're expecting to have a greater improvement recruiting in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and California.

More cynically, I think the actual reason is that all the administrators making these choices will get paid out of the increased revenue that's guaranteed to come. If they're only going to work for another 10 years before retirement anyway, let the next guy deal with the fallout while they collect a bigger paycheck today. There's no incentives for a long-term viewpoint because we assume university employees are there for the mission, not the money.

UT has major problems getting top recruits to them. Of the Rivals top 50 from Texas for 2021, six signed with UT. A&M absolutely cleaned their clock.

Bit deceptive of a year to choose given the coaching change.

In 2020, UT finished #8 and A&M #6 in terms of class rank nationally. 2019 was #3 UT, #4 A&M

I was referring to Alabama and LSU.
It will be interesting how their recruiting will go in Texas in the future with Texas and Oklahoma in the same conference.

(07-29-2021 01:18 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 01:05 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 09:45 AM)franklyconfused Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 09:32 AM)Texasowl Wrote:  I was shocked Alabama and LSU allowed Texas and Oklahoma into the SEC. This will greatly weaken those schools in Texas recruiting.

How many battles were they actually winning against UT for any reason other than Texas's recent poor performance? I don't think UT has had any particular trouble with recruiting specifically, at least not in state. If the decision makers are worried about recruiting, I think they're expecting to have a greater improvement recruiting in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and California.

More cynically, I think the actual reason is that all the administrators making these choices will get paid out of the increased revenue that's guaranteed to come. If they're only going to work for another 10 years before retirement anyway, let the next guy deal with the fallout while they collect a bigger paycheck today. There's no incentives for a long-term viewpoint because we assume university employees are there for the mission, not the money.

UT has major problems getting top recruits to them. Of the Rivals top 50 from Texas for 2021, six signed with UT. A&M absolutely cleaned their clock.

Bit deceptive of a year to choose given the coaching change.

In 2020, UT finished #8 and A&M #6 in terms of class rank nationally. 2019 was #3 UT, #4 A&M

The Whorn's issue (and to lesser extent eATMe) has been you don't win the games in February and other than deciding that they needed to let Vince do Vince they have not been able to take all that talent (or was it) and turn it to onfield success. To me the most amazing stat is that until 2019, they had not had an O Lineman drafted (not in the first round, but at all) in something like 20 years. I expect that some aspect of that goes to the undeniable right they believe that by grace, they are supposed to be national and conference champions. What was that Len Berman used to say, "that's why they play the games".

(07-29-2021 02:47 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  The Whorn's issue (and to lesser extent eATMe) has been you don't win the games in February and other than deciding that they needed to let Vince do Vince they have not been able to take all that talent (or was it) and turn it to onfield success. To me the most amazing stat is that until 2019, they had not had an O Lineman drafted (not in the first round, but at all) in something like 20 years. I expect that some aspect of that goes to the undeniable right they believe that by grace, they are supposed to be national and conference champions. What was that Len Berman used to say, "that's why they play the games".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Te..._NFL_draft

The gap went from 2009 through 2017. The last 1st rounder was Mike Williams in 2002.

But that is a very long gap of not sending a drafted lineman to the pros for a supposed top tier program.

(07-29-2021 04:11 PM)gsloth Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 02:47 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  The Whorn's issue (and to lesser extent eATMe) has been you don't win the games in February and other than deciding that they needed to let Vince do Vince they have not been able to take all that talent (or was it) and turn it to onfield success. To me the most amazing stat is that until 2019, they had not had an O Lineman drafted (not in the first round, but at all) in something like 20 years. I expect that some aspect of that goes to the undeniable right they believe that by grace, they are supposed to be national and conference champions. What was that Len Berman used to say, "that's why they play the games".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Te..._NFL_draft

The gap went from 2009 through 2017. The last 1st rounder was Mike Williams in 2002.

But that is a very long gap of not sending a drafted lineman to the pros for a supposed top tier program.

Four hall-of-famers, but one made it as a coach (Tom Landry).

Quote:Southeastern Conference
@SEC
NEWS | The @SEC Presidents & Chancellors voted unanimously Thursday to extend membership invitations to the University of Oklahoma and the University of Texas to join the SEC effective July 1, 2025, with competition to begin in all sports for the 2025-26 academic year.

So -- let the fun and games begin to see the extent UT and OU hand grenade their own current house in order to collapse it prior to 2025.

(07-29-2021 04:50 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  So -- let the fun and games begin to see the extent UT and OU hand grenade their own current house in order to collapse it prior to 2025.

Most of the football, basketball and baseball pundits think the move will happen no later than the 2023 sports season.