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RE: Houston Chronicle: Texas & OU Talking with SEC
(07-22-2021 09:49 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
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(07-21-2021 06:26 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Are we counting when jake Plummer was there? The answer is Kansas without hesitation. Next question…

Jake Plummer wouldn’t crack a top-1000 list of what makes ASU valuable. Heck, ASU doesn’t even have to be good in football to be valuable - that’s just a bonus.

ASU is one of the largest schools in the country in the #11 media market - a growing market ASU has to themselves for college sports. That’s exactly what other universities covet - a location they can both recruit students from and reengage and reconnect with alums in. ASU could finish last in football year after year, and still be immensely valuable. Location, and all its effects, will only age better for ASU and worse for KU over the next 100 years.

KU is AAU and ASU is not. If a league uses AAU strictly as a gatekeeper, ASU loses out. But it’s worth noting ASU’s federal research awards exceed several AAU schools, and I’d imagine university presidents are aware of it.

I think you're vastly overestimating the region and prowess of the school. Just look at how poorly all their pro sports teams fare money wise. Suns did great this year so everyone finally jumped on the bandwagon.

Cardinals are doing well. Suns were plagued with poor ownership that finally realized that just because he was a business tycoon, he knows little about basketball and finally hired a real GM, and the town has responded.

Dbacks have a cheap owner - not the fans. Coyotes are now looking to build in Tempe, which is where they always should have been.

5 million people in the metro area, growing by thousands daily.

ASU is a very good school
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RE: Houston Chronicle: Texas & OU Talking with SEC
(07-23-2021 12:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 11:56 AM)Mav Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 10:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 09:58 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 09:43 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  Texas A&M must be fuming. It must almost feel like getting cheated on. Their new partner talking it up with their ex behind their back.

Not really

This is how the UT snake media works. They take a true statement then twist it to make themselves look powerful and others look weak

In this case, I guarantee you that Sankey told NONE of the member schools about the negotiations which makes sense with something this big until it’s ready to be presented

But UT media twists that to imply everyone but A&M was in on it because UT is so valuable that no input from A&M was required

They make themselves look powerful while trying to create distrust between A&M and the other SEC members because they know we are working on getting a coalition of 2 more no votes along with ourselves and Mizzou

You see how they work?

Just one of many reasons why SEC would be fools to accept the conference killing cancer into its home

Typical Aggie paranoia
Nah, shet like that caused the Big 12 to break up the first time. If it was just A&M saying these things it'd be one thing, but anyone that's paid more than a little attention to Texas and isn't looking at the program with homer goggles knows how they operate.
A&M and some of you are barking up the wrong tree this time. This has ESPN/Disney written all over it.

Who was it that used Dodds in 2010 to try to snake the best B12 product away from FOX before GOR's? Who was it that tethered the cow with the cash drain LHN? Who was it that encouraged the partial deal with ND and the ACC? Who was it that required the SEC to add 2 "new" markets to its footprint to destabilize the B12 so UT and OU would move to ESPN in 2012?

The master crafter here is behind the scenes pulling strings.

Texas and the SEC didn't dream this up. ESPN has wanted full control of Texas and Oklahoma's product for a long time and the new SEC contract was the way to get it. As to A&M being in the dark I call hooey. For talks and action to get this far all presidents knew.

I also strongly suspect that if Vandy drops out due to cost rise in athletics or need of space for research that Tech may yet come into play and if Missouri is committed maybe Kansas since ESPN has interest in them as well. But we are still a year or two away from any of that.

This is an ESPN coup of 45% or more of FOX interest in UT and OU.

I'm still amazed that so many think it is the school or conferences doing this when money is the motivator and networks hold the purse strings. This is corporate for profit business and conferences and teams are pieces on the chess board. I'll call this one the Bevo gambit!

I suspect ESPN also looks at it that they can flip and shuffle any of their soon to be 31.5 properties as it benefits them most.
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RE: Houston Chronicle: Texas & OU Talking with SEC
(07-23-2021 01:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 12:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 11:56 AM)Mav Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 10:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 09:58 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Not really

This is how the UT snake media works. They take a true statement then twist it to make themselves look powerful and others look weak

In this case, I guarantee you that Sankey told NONE of the member schools about the negotiations which makes sense with something this big until it’s ready to be presented

But UT media twists that to imply everyone but A&M was in on it because UT is so valuable that no input from A&M was required

They make themselves look powerful while trying to create distrust between A&M and the other SEC members because they know we are working on getting a coalition of 2 more no votes along with ourselves and Mizzou

You see how they work?

Just one of many reasons why SEC would be fools to accept the conference killing cancer into its home

Typical Aggie paranoia
Nah, shet like that caused the Big 12 to break up the first time. If it was just A&M saying these things it'd be one thing, but anyone that's paid more than a little attention to Texas and isn't looking at the program with homer goggles knows how they operate.
A&M and some of you are barking up the wrong tree this time. This has ESPN/Disney written all over it.

Who was it that used Dodds in 2010 to try to snake the best B12 product away from FOX before GOR's? Who was it that tethered the cow with the cash drain LHN? Who was it that encouraged the partial deal with ND and the ACC? Who was it that required the SEC to add 2 "new" markets to its footprint to destabilize the B12 so UT and OU would move to ESPN in 2012?

The master crafter here is behind the scenes pulling strings.

Texas and the SEC didn't dream this up. ESPN has wanted full control of Texas and Oklahoma's product for a long time and the new SEC contract was the way to get it. As to A&M being in the dark I call hooey. For talks and action to get this far all presidents knew.

I also strongly suspect that if Vandy drops out due to cost rise in athletics or need of space for research that Tech may yet come into play and if Missouri is committed maybe Kansas since ESPN has interest in them as well. But we are still a year or two away from any of that.

This is an ESPN coup of 45% or more of FOX interest in UT and OU.

I'm still amazed that so many think it is the school or conferences doing this when money is the motivator and networks hold the purse strings. This is corporate for profit business and conferences and teams are pieces on the chess board. I'll call this one the Bevo gambit!

I suspect ESPN also looks at it that they can flip and shuffle any of their soon to be 31.5 properties as it benefits them most.

In the 2030's when this dust settles, would it be completely unrealistic for ESPN to promote a full merger of these 2 conferences paying all 31.5/32 schools the same amount under 1 banner?
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RE: Houston Chronicle: Texas & OU Talking with SEC
(07-23-2021 01:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 12:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 11:56 AM)Mav Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 10:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 09:58 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Not really

This is how the UT snake media works. They take a true statement then twist it to make themselves look powerful and others look weak

In this case, I guarantee you that Sankey told NONE of the member schools about the negotiations which makes sense with something this big until it’s ready to be presented

But UT media twists that to imply everyone but A&M was in on it because UT is so valuable that no input from A&M was required

They make themselves look powerful while trying to create distrust between A&M and the other SEC members because they know we are working on getting a coalition of 2 more no votes along with ourselves and Mizzou

You see how they work?

Just one of many reasons why SEC would be fools to accept the conference killing cancer into its home

Typical Aggie paranoia
Nah, shet like that caused the Big 12 to break up the first time. If it was just A&M saying these things it'd be one thing, but anyone that's paid more than a little attention to Texas and isn't looking at the program with homer goggles knows how they operate.
A&M and some of you are barking up the wrong tree this time. This has ESPN/Disney written all over it.

Who was it that used Dodds in 2010 to try to snake the best B12 product away from FOX before GOR's? Who was it that tethered the cow with the cash drain LHN? Who was it that encouraged the partial deal with ND and the ACC? Who was it that required the SEC to add 2 "new" markets to its footprint to destabilize the B12 so UT and OU would move to ESPN in 2012?

The master crafter here is behind the scenes pulling strings.

Texas and the SEC didn't dream this up. ESPN has wanted full control of Texas and Oklahoma's product for a long time and the new SEC contract was the way to get it. As to A&M being in the dark I call hooey. For talks and action to get this far all presidents knew.

I also strongly suspect that if Vandy drops out due to cost rise in athletics or need of space for research that Tech may yet come into play and if Missouri is committed maybe Kansas since ESPN has interest in them as well. But we are still a year or two away from any of that.

This is an ESPN coup of 45% or more of FOX interest in UT and OU.

I'm still amazed that so many think it is the school or conferences doing this when money is the motivator and networks hold the purse strings. This is corporate for profit business and conferences and teams are pieces on the chess board. I'll call this one the Bevo gambit!

I suspect ESPN also looks at it that they can flip and shuffle any of their soon to be 31.5 properties as it benefits them most.

There will be a winnowing before things settle into final form. It's likely to be grouped by value.
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RE: Houston Chronicle: Texas & OU Talking with SEC
(07-23-2021 01:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 01:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 12:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 11:56 AM)Mav Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 10:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  Typical Aggie paranoia
Nah, shet like that caused the Big 12 to break up the first time. If it was just A&M saying these things it'd be one thing, but anyone that's paid more than a little attention to Texas and isn't looking at the program with homer goggles knows how they operate.
A&M and some of you are barking up the wrong tree this time. This has ESPN/Disney written all over it.

Who was it that used Dodds in 2010 to try to snake the best B12 product away from FOX before GOR's? Who was it that tethered the cow with the cash drain LHN? Who was it that encouraged the partial deal with ND and the ACC? Who was it that required the SEC to add 2 "new" markets to its footprint to destabilize the B12 so UT and OU would move to ESPN in 2012?

The master crafter here is behind the scenes pulling strings.

Texas and the SEC didn't dream this up. ESPN has wanted full control of Texas and Oklahoma's product for a long time and the new SEC contract was the way to get it. As to A&M being in the dark I call hooey. For talks and action to get this far all presidents knew.

I also strongly suspect that if Vandy drops out due to cost rise in athletics or need of space for research that Tech may yet come into play and if Missouri is committed maybe Kansas since ESPN has interest in them as well. But we are still a year or two away from any of that.

This is an ESPN coup of 45% or more of FOX interest in UT and OU.

I'm still amazed that so many think it is the school or conferences doing this when money is the motivator and networks hold the purse strings. This is corporate for profit business and conferences and teams are pieces on the chess board. I'll call this one the Bevo gambit!

I suspect ESPN also looks at it that they can flip and shuffle any of their soon to be 31.5 properties as it benefits them most.

There will be a winnowing before things settle into final form. It's likely to be grouped by value.

I wonder if ESPN is planning to take the lead on a 2nd Tier of schools using pushes and pulls? A second tier gives ESPN a playoff to promote and to populate their bowls - something more than FCS but not Bama and OU, except in OOC games.
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This tweet got me thinking a little conspiracy theory.

Did ESPN orchestrate this now knowing that they aren't going to keep the Big 10 rights next contract and wanted to make sure their conference (SEC) got Texas/OU instead of Big 10
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(07-23-2021 01:12 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 01:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 01:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 12:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-23-2021 11:56 AM)Mav Wrote:  Nah, shet like that caused the Big 12 to break up the first time. If it was just A&M saying these things it'd be one thing, but anyone that's paid more than a little attention to Texas and isn't looking at the program with homer goggles knows how they operate.
A&M and some of you are barking up the wrong tree this time. This has ESPN/Disney written all over it.

Who was it that used Dodds in 2010 to try to snake the best B12 product away from FOX before GOR's? Who was it that tethered the cow with the cash drain LHN? Who was it that encouraged the partial deal with ND and the ACC? Who was it that required the SEC to add 2 "new" markets to its footprint to destabilize the B12 so UT and OU would move to ESPN in 2012?

The master crafter here is behind the scenes pulling strings.

Texas and the SEC didn't dream this up. ESPN has wanted full control of Texas and Oklahoma's product for a long time and the new SEC contract was the way to get it. As to A&M being in the dark I call hooey. For talks and action to get this far all presidents knew.

I also strongly suspect that if Vandy drops out due to cost rise in athletics or need of space for research that Tech may yet come into play and if Missouri is committed maybe Kansas since ESPN has interest in them as well. But we are still a year or two away from any of that.

This is an ESPN coup of 45% or more of FOX interest in UT and OU.

I'm still amazed that so many think it is the school or conferences doing this when money is the motivator and networks hold the purse strings. This is corporate for profit business and conferences and teams are pieces on the chess board. I'll call this one the Bevo gambit!

I suspect ESPN also looks at it that they can flip and shuffle any of their soon to be 31.5 properties as it benefits them most.

There will be a winnowing before things settle into final form. It's likely to be grouped by value.

I wonder if ESPN is planning to take the lead on a 2nd Tier of schools using pushes and pulls? A second tier gives ESPN a playoff to promote and to populate their bowls - something more than FCS but not Bama and OU, except in OOC games.

I'd say very likely. And for another reason. If you bring together 6 or 7 left behind B12 schools, 4 - 6 left behind PAC schools and any left behind ACC schools ESPN still dominates the SE & SW with the SEC and steals into all other markets except for the heart of the Northern Midwest. If Vandy leaves and ESPN truly wants a backdoor into the Northern Midwest Notre Dame could become the SEC's FOI private and get smashingly paid for it. The rest form a new conference that is included and pays 45 million each. That's more than any PAC or B12 or ACC school currently makes. No damages, no lawsuits, and oodles of marketable T2 and T3 material. I have a sneaking suspicion ESPN has bought out CBS's remaining SEC years after this one and that CBS agreed for a certain number of games to televise across ESPN holdings.

So FOX winds up with one super conference, the B1G + best of the PAC. They will make a huge play for ND. ESPN will have to consider a counter.

ESPN winds up with 2 large conferences: Super Conference SEC with four more and the dominant widespread and decently paid new T2/T3 conference which will send teams to the CFP and will have bowl contracts.

ND is the next major jewel to watch.
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Maybe they'd keep it right up until TV only offers AAC level money for their next contract

But it won’t matter. Those that can will add to the pot to flee to the B1G or PAC. The rest will split the exit fees then accept their status as G6
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Maybe they'd keep it right up until TV only offers AAC level money for their next contract

But it won’t matter. Those that can will add to the pot to flee to the B1G or PAC. The rest will split the exit fees then accept their status as G6

With the AACs push for Automony status, this does seem to further indicate that after the power confernces take their picks, the rest will reorganize under the Big 12 shell as opposed to joining an AAC
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(07-23-2021 03:49 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
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(07-23-2021 03:25 PM)Maize Wrote:  

Maybe they'd keep it right up until TV only offers AAC level money for their next contract

But it won’t matter. Those that can will add to the pot to flee to the B1G or PAC. The rest will split the exit fees then accept their status as G6

With the AACs push for Automony status, this does seem to further indicate that after the power confernces take their picks, the rest will reorganize under the Big 12 shell as opposed to joining an AAC

I definitely see a AAC and B12 leftovers merger coming on. They keep all the B12 name and status while using a percentage the buyouts to get AAC teams to do it quickly.
Cincinnati
Central Florida
South Florida
Temple
ECU
Houston
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
Memphis
Navy(Wichita State)
-Oklahoma State
-Kansas State
-Iowa State
-West Virginia
-And maybe BYU?
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(07-23-2021 03:49 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
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(07-23-2021 03:25 PM)Maize Wrote:  

Maybe they'd keep it right up until TV only offers AAC level money for their next contract

But it won’t matter. Those that can will add to the pot to flee to the B1G or PAC. The rest will split the exit fees then accept their status as G6

With the AACs push for Automony status, this does seem to further indicate that after the power confernces take their picks, the rest will reorganize under the Big 12 shell as opposed to joining an AAC

And almost all the AAC schools and most of the MWC schools were in the same tier as the power conferences in the old NCAA governance structure. A roughly 90 team splitoff leaving MAC/CUSA/SB behind?
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